@Andrew - a lesson regarding Randy Weaver, when someone is requesting that you commit such a simple criminal act as creating a sawed off shotgun, you are being set up. His response should have been, get your own hack saw and do the cutting yourself.

However, he was desperate for money...they prey on the desperate, depressed, down on their luck.

Definitely a guy who wanted to be left alone. Another example of someone they could have left alone and later picked him up in town when he left to buy something. Much like Waco, Koresh was a runner, numerous opportunities each week to arrest him.

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