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Shermanbroder
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Milwaukee
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@Tickerguy
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...accept that if you DO wind up there you better be prepared to scream LOUDLY but there's good odds you'll be ignored and they will literally KILL YOU in the hospital.


For "living" proof of what you say, watch this video:

https://rumble.com/vktdpt-our-first-hand....
Tickerguy
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@Jollyrogers - INHALED steroids are a LOT less-dangerous generally because their action is concentrated in the lungs. Budesonide in particular (brand name in the US is "Pulmicort") is used as a maintenance drug by A LOT of asthmatics; it's not a "novel" drug by any means and there's a hell of a lot of data on its risks when used on a chronic basis. The biggest one is cataracts. On an acute basis that's a non-issue, obviously but its a real factor for asthmatics who use it daily for years.

It has very low (but not zero!) systemic cross-over which is of course VERY different from any oral steroid (e.g. prednisone) which BY DEFINITION is systemic. Oral (or IV for that matter) corticosteroids are SERIOUS, hard-core drugs with a whole list of NASTY systemic side effects and extreme attention has to be paid if you're using, including tapering off them if you start using them for some condition and then want to stop. Those ABSOLUTELY require medical monitoring you cannot guess at without lab access.

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Shermanbroder
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Milwaukee
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Here is a follow-up video by Kate Dalley to the video I posted above, verifying all that TG says about avoiding hospitals:

https://rumble.com/vlgnd3-hospital-follo....

She says the most important thing to do if you find yourself in a hospital is "grow a backbone!"

One way to gain leverage over the hospital that she mentions is to demand they provide a "Patient Bill of Rights," which will reinforce that the patient is in charge.

She also describes this piece of leverage that I was unaware of (in the first video):

"You can threaten to take them out on hospice. That means oxygen and staff come to your home. Usually just the threat of that will get them to listen to you. If you did do that- take them out on hospice- I would get them to an IV infusion clinic ( they are everywhere) and get them the vitamins listed above in high dose. You dont need a doctor. You dont need a scrip. You can get to these clinics daily. Its about 100$ to get this. It would help a lot more than the hospital just watch them go down hill."

She also had this to say:

"We told the doctor to switch the steroid to Budenoside instead of Dex. They gave my husband Budenoside every 6 hours instead of every 12 hours and halfed the amount of Dex they were giving him. Dex has a lot of side effects and raises the blood sugar in epic proportions. So at least the only gave him half of the Dex they normally use. Budenoside is safer snd better- and on page 205 of their own disastrous protocol- they cite Budenoside as being amazing and it works- but halted the study due to not enough patients? What a joke. It even said it kept people out of the hospital. But, The Lancet in July came out with an article that stated it was the silver bullet. The game changer. And they were switching over to this steroid in the UK. Dr. Richard Bartlett of Texas said it was the game changer in his clinic in June of 2020 and they tried to shame him for promoting it. I found that anything that works- the hospitals dont want you to use it."

I recommend visiting her website and reading the show notes. Good stuff, plus a reprint of the protocols that treated her husband.
Mabman
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toronto
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challenge trials in humans

https://www.who.int/biologicals/expert_c....

Human challenge trials are trials in which participants are intentionally challenged (whether or
not they have been vaccinated) with an infectious disease organism. This challenge organism
may be close to wild-type and pathogenic, adapted and/or attenuated from wild-type with less or
no pathogenicity, or genetically modified in some manner.
In July 2014, WHO held a consultation on Clinical evaluation of vaccines: regulatory
expectations (1). One area that was considered as an important issue for facilitating vaccine
development was related to human challenge trials. It was recognized that regulation of these
trials need to be well defined by the NRAs and vaccine developers and manufacturers need to be
aware of regulatory expectations.
The document on human challenge trials should be read in conjunction with the updated
Guidelines on clinical evaluation of vaccines: regulatory expectations, adopted by the ECBS in
October 2016.
2. Scope
The scope of this document is to provide guidance to national regulatory authorities (NRAs),
manufacturers, vaccine developers, investigators, independent ethics committees, and potentially
biosafety committees and national agencies that regulate genetically modified organisms
(GMOs) if separate from the NRA. Only issues relevant specifically to the design and conduct of
clinical trials enrolling healthy adult humans capable of truly informed consent and that involve
the intentional exposure and potential infection with an infectious disease organism are
discussed. All other issues common to the design, conduct and evaluation (assessment) of
vaccine clinical trials may be found in the document Clinical evaluation of vaccines: regulatory
aspects, which is to be considered by the WHO Expert Committee on Biological Standardization
in October 2016.
3. Introduction
Infectious human challenge studies involve deliberate exposure of human volunteers to
infectious agents. Human challenge studies have been conducted over hundreds of years and
have contributed vital scientific knowledge that has led to advances in the development of drugs
and vaccines. Nevertheless, such research can appear to be in conflict with the guiding principle
in medicine to do no harm. Well documented historical examples of human exposure studies
would be considered unethical by current standards. It is essential that challenge studies be
conducted within an ethical framework in which truly informed consent is given. When
conducted, human challenge studies should be undertaken with abundant forethought, caution,
POST ECBS version
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and oversight. The value of the information to be gained should clearly justify the risks to human
subjects. Information to be gained should clearly justify the risks to human subjects.
Although human challenge trials are not a required element of every vaccine development
programme, there are many reasons why a developer may request to conduct with humans a
challenge-protection study that might normally be conducted in animals. Animal models are
often quite imprecise in reflecting human disease, and many infectious organisms against which
a developer might wish to develop a vaccine are species-specific for humans. Human challenge
trials may be safely and ethically performed in some cases, if properly designed and conducted.
Tremendous insight into the mode of action and the potential for benefit in the relevant species
humans may be gained from challenge trials. However, there are also limitations to what
challenge trials may be able to ascertain because, like animal model challenge-protection studies,
a human challenge trial represents a model system. Because there are often such significant
limitations to animal models, the model system of the human challenge trial may significantly
advance, streamline and/or accelerate vaccine development (2).
It is important to note that not all diseases for which vaccines might be developed are suitable for
conducting human challenge trials. In many cases, human challenge with a virulent or even an
attenuated organism would not be considered ethical or safe. For example, if an organism causes
a disease with a high case fatality rate (or there is a long and uncertain latency period) and there
are no existing therapies to prevent or ameliorate disease and preclude death, then it would not
be appropriate to consider human challenge trials with such an organism. However, a human
challenge trial might be considered when the disease an organism causes has an acute onset, can
be readily and objectively detected, and existing efficacious treatments (whether curative or
palliative) can be administered at an appropriate juncture in disease development to prevent
significant morbidity (and eliminate mortality).
Tickerguy
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Yeah the problem in the context of Covid-19 is that if you get an ADE or OAS sort of reaction a challenge trial will kill some percentage of the participants and there's nothing you can do about it.

It's not just a failure of protection that's potentially on the table but ENHNACEMENT of disease which makes it basically unmanageable.

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Robackrman
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Do any of you know what a perfusionist does (@Blackcrow and @Susanlauren not allowed to answer)? I did not. There will definitely be an impact when this guy quits if faced with mandates. We need to stay strong. There will be another push after FDA approval until the narrative collapses.

Hospital Perfusionist gives stirring speech against Vaccine mandates

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/ho....
Exppi
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Incept: 2013-10-15

Les Bois
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I was surfing on twitter. The hubris exhibited around the supposed FDA approval for Pfizer on Monday is cranked up to 11. These people think they are the smartest folks in the room and they know what is best for everyone. This fall/winter is going to be utter madness as they push booster #2, #3, and #4.
Merlin
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Incept: 2017-07-25

Tulsa, OK.
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@Jwm_in_sb

Sorry, I guess I'm a bit slow. I hadn't quite put that 2 and 2 together.
I certainly understood doubling down on what they're been preaching, but I hadn't though through these particular implications.

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Weve tried the Soap Box, They censored that.
Weve tried the Ballot Box, They stuffed that.
Weve tried the Jury Box, They tamper with that.
All we have left is the Cartridge box.
Jwm_in_sb
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Incept: 2009-04-16

California Desert
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No worries...that whole control group theory was discussed here weeks ago.
Mikeyinfl
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Incept: 2021-08-02

FL
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I keep thinking of the eminent mandates once they "approve" the vaxes and how that will enable additional businesses, schools, gov., and others to join in the "fun" since "hey, they're FDA approved so we're off the hook for liability". About the only group left that they can't arm twist are medium and small business which was the hardest hit with all the lockdown stupidity. I think I posted that short video of Gates reaction to the question of taking away Social Security as well as other benefits like food stamps etc. and you notice while watching him acknowledge that show this creepy evil smile. I'm guessing he sucks at poker as well. If you take all of those together, that's a large part of the population that you can coerce.

Thankfully, I think some folks are waking up. I have a wife of a family member who got both doses of Pfizer last month to be able to go on a cruise with "the girls" and didn't tell he husband she did it until last week and of course he's fit to be tied. Now that they've announced boosters, she realized she f'd up and has not plans for any more. The timing of them announcing needing a booster after 8 months I expect to wake up more. The challenge is dealing with the pressure. For instance, my 20yo is at a private university here in Florida and I was prepared to go legal if the pulled that **** like Quinipiac or others. I expect the shoe to drop for him, but in his case he had an ischemic stroke when he was 15 (fully recovered - very lucky) and then got myocarditis at 17 so I'm banking on a medical exemption for him. I think if the local school board this to do this and force my 16yo daughter, I foresee a lot of parents out for scalps if they try. Me, I'm with KD - f'em.

On another note, I keep thinking about that St. Jude study I posted about a week or so ago. Publius pointed it out, but the T-cell immunity of the 10 patients who already had natural immunity and then got the jab. Of course, I wondered why didn't they have a control group of NI only and realized, it's a hospital - all will submit to the jab or else. However if they had a control group, it would've been interesting to compare the changes in the N and S T-Cell's of an NI only group vs. the 10 suckers in Figure 7. The conclusion is we don't won't know unless they look at an outside group of NI's and also go back for a 3rd sample of the Jabbed NI's. However, what's still bugging me is if you look at the ratio of S T-cells to T-cells over time, even of just these 2 samples taken, you notice that 7 of the 10 subject (figure S7) are all trending and tending to favor more Spike T-cells and fewer Nucleocapsid ones. You would expect that since they just pumped you up to make more S with the shot. The only outliers are R4 and R7 where they declining N T-cells are depleting in more of a linear fashion than the rest. What struck me is R9, the only one sampled 7 days post full vax and 54 days later. I don't see any N T-cells post 54 days. Does this mean they lost all of their N t-cell immunity? Hard to say, but with further sampling, we would be better able to say for certain. We all know that'll probably never happen or if it did, the data is "lost", but it sure looks like R9 is in the same boat with the virus naive/vaxed bunch. It also would be interesting if any of this group gets a breakthrough infection and recovers to see where the balance of N/S T-cell are then.

If I had my tin hat on, I'd say this forcing the NI recovered to get vaxed is on purpose since they refuse to accept NI despite all the papers now out coupled with the recent "fake" one showing the opposite from the WHO, but of course they have 1000 excuses why this was not investigated I'm sure.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/....

note: didn't see the junk on the last line and deleted it.

One other item. Look at the time sampling differences between R9 and the rest. R9 is further out post vax as well.

Rowdypeasant
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Incept: 2021-07-29

Oklahoma
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Thanks for the link robackrman

There are more of us (on this message board) and guys like this in the video link, than we may "feel" really exists. The stupid around us feels overwhelming, BUT guys and gals... don't give up. Keep talking to your friends, family, coworkers, neighbors, etc. I have a neighbor that is a nurse and I go encourage him at least once a week. Still holding firm on the no vax bro... man you are doing the right thing bro hang in there stay strong etc.

Work just sent out a survey, results "shared" only with HR and owners. Are you vaxxed?... gladly replied nope and NOT GONNA BE. Willing to lose my job for this. What will I do.. no idea at all and it will suck hard if it happens, but I am not gonna LAY DOWN AND DIE for a lie and an agenda that is evil. I WILL be homeless and eating out of trash cans before I allow someone to "force" me to take this shot.

Don't lose heart guys and gals. Even folks who act like they think your crazy, they may be listening MORE than you think. Stay strong brothers and sisters stay STRONG. You intuitively and rationally KNOW resistance to this vax is the right thing so don't give that up. APES STRONG TOGETHER :) :) :)
Quantum
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@Mikeyinfl: No need to worry about a history of myocarditis as long as it has resolved, says the CDC, vax away!

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/cl....

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Disgusted
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Incept: 2021-07-20

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When this ****show finally blows up in their psychotic faces, you can bet the favorite excuse is already teed up and ready to go, "nobody could have seen this coming". Along with, "All the experts agreed". I like to connect the dots. If you don't think the gun control push and the recent Russian ammo and gun ban aren't part of the big picture, you're delusional. It's a good thing they're incompetent and didn't get the real gun control they wanted. They've been trying to dry up the ammo supply, but it really isn't working. Most of the true "gun types" stocked up long ago along with the components to reload. The Afghan mess also blows Pedo Joe's "you'd need F-15's and nuclear weapons to take on the government" bull**** right out of the water. They have to keep pushing to vaxx everyone, they have no other option. I doubt they're going to stop the madness anytime soon, people have to die in BIG numbers to turn the tide.
Mikpaq
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Behind enemy lines
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Robackrman: Perfusionist runs the heart lung machine they put you on for open heart surgery.

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Jack_crabb
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Peoples' Republik of Maryland
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I would refer that ALL tyrants die in big numbers to turn the tide.

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Maddmaxx
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I remember weeks ago posting a tweet showing data from Scotland. As of the latest update, over approximately the last month (July 8-Aug 5), deaths in the unvaccinated is 115 compared to 142 in the vaccinated (see Table 17).

https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/....

https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/....

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Spanky
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Honest question. Would it be effective to get the vex (assuming the correct variant...I know), then once you have antibodies and before they deplete, purposely infecting yourself to get natural antibodies while a reduced death rate? Of course you still have to deal with short, medium and long term effects of the vex. I'm not considering just a hypothetical risk management question.
Jc3
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South Texas 93 miles from Houston
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Thanks for another REAL info ticker and all the comments here.
While making the rounds to stores today getting canned meat wifey and I use and will use later at today's pricing, a friend texted me the "IVERMECTIN WARNING" bullshirt that is magically all over the news and internets. Texted him back saying:

"Welcome to the USSA where survivors are now forced to use vet meds to survive"

On a good note, he found one local doc with some clues who does prescribe "human" ivermectin. I still may invest in CSV, SCI, HI, and STON(funeral-related companies) for what increasingly seems to be in our future thanks to the ****heads "in charge". If work mandates the clotshots after the Fake Drug Approvers bless the clotshots, Plan B and C go live similar to Susanlauren has done....except I'll wait to be forced out.
Ceiii2000
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Incept: 2021-05-17

PNW
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Rowdypeasant wrote..
Willing to lose my job for this. What will I do.. no idea at all and it will suck hard if it happens,...


Me too.
My kids think I'm stupid, my roomates think I'm crazy and stupid. My world sucks. I am certain I am going to lose friends and family, but I only have my integrity, and my life. I plan on keeping both.

If something is going to happen to me it WILL be on my terms.
Thethreeputter
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western slope
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It was written about here a while back that there was pretty good evidence that 80% of the population had some preexisting, natural resistance to Covid. It seemed to explain the Diamond Princess ship having such a low % of infected passengers despite them being older and presumably more susceptible.

Im wondering how the efficacy numbers being reported in Israel can be so low. If a total vaccine failure meant only 20% of the population could potentially be infected, how were they reporting efficacy numbers as low as 16%, or even 60%? Seems like ~80% should be the lowest efficacy number they should see, even if the shots are a complete failure. Unless, of course, the shots do something to compromise that 80% pre-existing natural protection.

Has anyone seen any recent data lately that would help explain this?
Oliver1655
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Trying to make sure all things are in hand in advance with adequate amounts of each.

Team onyPa astePa and verIa are on hand. uralRa ingKa & scTa still has it locally but I will bet it will soon disappear. Have Zinc, Vit C & Vit D & Quercetin on hand as well as some NAC which I see is now no longer available. Unsure of when the NAC is supposed to be taken and what it helps with. Need to get some Melatonin yet.

Question for Karl since he is a expert on scuba and breathing air. I know industrial oxygen (cutting torch oxidizer) is not safe for breathing but what makes it that way vs scuba air ? I think it is mostly impurities over medical grade gasses ? possibly rust inside the tanks ? I'm guessing there is no way to make it safe either correct ? at least without expensive gear.

Looking to not get ****ed over by dr's and medical system who are controlled by Fowchi and pushing remdesivir with its known cardiac and kidney issues.

This genocide must be stopped and we cannot allow people to be discriminated against for refusing the clot shots.

Hold strong folks the pressure will be ramped up if they get these approved.
Spanky
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Follow-up question. How about take IVM prophylaxis, get purposely infected, then immediately hit with early meds? Better option obviously.
Captainkidd
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Houston, Texas
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I do contract work all over the Southeast... Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, and just finished a gig in New Mexico.

It has ever taken more than a couple weeks to find the next gig once I started looking.

Been looking for my next one for a couple months...

Recruiters and agencies ask if I'm Jabbed.
I tell them my medical history is personal, and not pertinent.
About half never call back.

Interviews with companies ask if I'm Jabbed...
I tell them my medical history is personal, and not pertinent.
No call backs, yet.

Beginning to think that that question is responsible.....

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Ceiii2000
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@Maddmaxx

Assuming 64% are really vaccinated the deaths statistically still lean towards the unvexxed. Hospitalized also does according to the numbers in the document.

Then there is this: "The latest analysis by PHE, indicates that vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation after
2 doses of COVID-19 vaccine is high, with a 93% protective effect against the Alpha variant
and 96% for the Delta variant."

Not sure how Scotland is seeing 96% effectiveness vs Delta when the CDC admits the shots are much less. These numbers don't seem to match the rest of the UK either.
Heartlander
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Kansas
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@Scootj175

The FLCCC's prevention and early treatment protocols.
Please, this is serious.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19....

And if your doctor won't write prescriptions for the stuff that requires prescriptions, go to a telemed provider such as MyFreeDoctor.com.

As Karl said, lay in your supplies of those things NOW.

Some people also recommend NAC, EGCG (green tea extract), magnesium and selenium. Fine, and I take those myself. But the FLCCC and their protocols are THE most important thing.
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