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Jwm_in_sb
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Dr Rick Bright (HHS under Azar) and Janet Woodcock (current acting head of FDA?) is who conspired to prevent access to early therapeutic treatment specifically hcq and later ivm presumably. That's who Zelenko is saying started the persecution of doctors who prescribed it early on. That's the start of the conspiracy right there. This whole mess revolves around lack of aaccess to early treatment.
That is also what is driving the fear I think otherwise it is very treatable. www.bitchute.com/video/dhfVrI3pBGN3/
Whitehat
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it is starting that i am beginning to field questions from fully vexxed individuals as to how to safely get off the vexxine risk profile and booster treadmill with its own risks. Some are beginning to realize that they are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't with the latter.

Not sure how i am going to handle this. Part of me wants to stay in the lines of there is nothing that they can do and should put their affairs in order.

In my pre-COVID-BS SLE support network we are having some minor infections with what seems to be the new variant. These same people with near zero precautions and as little lifestyle modifications as possible did not observably "get COVID" during the main run. All of these latter infections are very mild, and some of these people are older than me and/or more fragile. Of course i am doing everything possible to catch it from them and other sources just to see what happens. I really think that my quinine supplement is the key here, plus being keto, not being a regular drinker ...

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"Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven," Satan's monologue in the first book of John Milton's Paradise Lost
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@Invisiblesun -- Julius Evola proposed that those trying to fight at his time what we would recognize as current day liberalism should not oppose it but seek to make it worse by support in that the folly and horror of it would be gravely apparent. The thing would speak for itself. People should look him up.

Evola's philosophy leads to something else that i have warned about quite often and which in the modern era one can find an example.

Does anyone remember of what i am writing?

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"Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven," Satan's monologue in the first book of John Milton's Paradise Lost
Fredocal
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Dr. Robert Malone has repeatedly stated that ADE typically either shows itself quite early on in the vaccination process or when immunity begins to wane. If this is the case, and mostly elderly and other high risk people got the shot early, then wouldnt we expect to see ADE hit first in those populations with the bigger shock coming in another month or two for the general public? Maybe this explains the rush to get the boosters out ahead of this in the hopes that waning immunity can be held off.
Tickerguy
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@Fredlocal - There are two mechanisms for ADE, both related but distinct.

The first is where the antibodies simply are all binding either due to mutational mismatch or simply the nature of the virus in question. This was what derailed attempts to produce both RSV and coronavirus vaccines in the past, and has bedeviled attempts at Dengue as well.

The reason the vax makers used only the "S" protein was their BELIEF that this would evade the problem. They had no proof of that and in fact scant animal and in-vitro evidence, but that's what they went with and then looked for signals in the (short) trials. That part looked good at the time.

But there's a second, nasty way that ADE happens. As antibody titers wane they may not do so evenly. Mutational mismatch makes this dangerous because the neutralizing portion may wane faster than the binding portion. At some point there's enough binding antibody remaining that you get ****ed because the neutralizing titer is too low to help, but the binding enhances the infection. This is almost as bad as the first form but it's very hard to detect without extensive trials over time against the wild virus, and challenge trials in humans are never approved because if you do them and get hit with this you will kill a huge percentage of the subjects, thus you'll never get ethical approval to do them.

There is ANECDOTAL evidence that this is showing up RIGHT NOW in a small percentage of people who got jabbed. It's not conclusive but the signal is there, and it's alarming as Hell. Figuring out WHO is in that bucket and potentially at risk, and whether there is stratification we can predictively use, had better be done -- FAST -- because there are over 150 million Americans who are potentially at risk of this happening to them.

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Invisiblesun
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Hot damn, on the front page of Bloomberg.com

"Science Cant Keep Up With Virus, Creating Worry for Vaccinated"

"And now, theres growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/....
Wakeupcall
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If someone got the first shot, but never followed up with another, should they follow the imask protocol? What other steps should they take? Request a d-dimmer test? What can they do to protect themselves? Asking for a future in-law.

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"P**** Pfizer
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Jwm_in_sb
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That was actually a well balanced article by Bloomberg.
Chromehill
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These ****ers may all eventually be held liable. Matt Bracken who posts on Free Republic had the following scenario...a bunch of moms run for congress who all had children with birth defects resulting from the Jab. They use pictures of their kids in their campaigns...they all win. Then they all hold the people responsible for this coming catastrophe accountable.

We have had retroactive tax increasing passed before, all ruled Constitutional...nothing says we can't have retrocative liability for Big Pharma, Public Health etc.

Personally I am hoping for a Constitutional amendment to legalize cruel and unusual punishment, Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Collins, Gates being the first to experience it.

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Jack_crabb
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"And now, theres growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought."

Well, no ****ing ****, Sherlock.

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Tickerguy
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@Wakeupcall - Nothing proactive.

But for the Love of God do lay in the meds and be prepared to hit any infection IMMEDIATELY and HARD. There's nothing you can do to get rid of a circulating binding antibody titer so all you have left is to be prepared for an IMMEDIATE response if you think you may be infected.

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Wakeupcall
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Thats what I thought. He held off for months, then his job issued a mandate and he got it immediately. He had until 10-29, but got it last week. He was afraid. Not of covid, but of not being able to pay his mortgage and support his family. I wish I would have known. I could have talked to him.

And this is the reason you dont have debt, you have an 6-12 month emergency fund, and you live a healthy lifestyle. If dhs job threatens this ****, he doesnt care.

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Dnomsed
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So, the FDA is set to approve the worst toxic liquid in history? Approve it for what use? As a Zyklon-B replacement?

The game is surely now on...
Maddmaxx
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Incept: 2021-05-31

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We need them to get to "And now, theres growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than the unvaccinated."
Redjack
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Incept: 2018-01-29

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Family members who got the jab, and then got very sick, are calling me asking about the booster. "What is the point?"

So I had my most recent antibody test come back. Spiked up a bit (I give plasma and whole blood so it is part of the panel). Doc said "looks like you were exposed to COVID again. Did you feel any symptoms?"

I did not. If it was during the time where the pollen was high and I had a runny nose it might have been hid, but over all no symptoms.

My sister, who was demanding I get the vax or she wouldn't allow my Dad's funeral to proceed, is sick today. Fever, aches, cough. But "IT CAN'T BE DELTA! I AM VACCINATED!" She goes in for a test today. We shall see
Redjack
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Invisiblesun

I go with the two week rule.

When the first article hit MSN about vaxed people getting sick, I thought "Two weeks till the narrative is the vax people are at risk for serious ****."

That MSN article was a week ago. By the end of next weekend, we will see front page news about how the horrible Trump jab is killing people.

Kind of hope I am wrong BTW. Not a doom porn kind of guy
Susanlauren
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@Invisiblesun. There is a hard push to whittle away at the numbers of unvaxxed. I am wondering how the multi tiered society these bastards are working to create is going to work out for them (and for all of us). I am curious as to where the percentages will fall out - completely unvaxxed, one vaxx only, two vaxxed and two vaxxed with all recommended booster vaxxed. Numbers matter and this COVID and vaxx mandate stuff is about to get very messy.

Slo Joe is apparently mandating the vaxx for staff of nursing homes that receive Medicare and Medicaid funding. If that happens, can you imagine the staffing shortages that are about to be unleashed? What is the demographics of these workers (i.e., people of color perhaps)?

At this point I don't know how a pile of dead bodies (if that happens) will impact things. I would like to think people will wake up to what is happening. Or will the unvaxxed be blamed for the deaths of the vaxxed due to ADE, OAS and leaky vaxx mutations no matter the data or the evidence? "People are dying because the unvaxxed refuse to do the right thing to protect their community."

I don't like where any of this leads. Welcome to chaos and welcome to hell.
Scottj175
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Wow. This has to be one of your top 10 on this subject. I'll start spreading it around once I'm mentally ready to deal with the blowback that always comes from the true believers.

I'm a dyed in the wool car nut but had sold off all my "fun" cars by the end of 2015 to remove money spending temptations before pulling the kids out of government schools. By His Grace over the past 18 months I have rapidly built up a fleet of "fun" cars again. I've been mentally preparing myself to have to sell off again as I might become unemployed or even more societally ostracized for refusing to take the jab.

As much as I want to see some explosion of the truth burst upon the general public like at the ends of the movies "Johnny Mnemonic" or "Serenity" life isn't a movie and evil is very, very powerful. Human pride is such that most would rather see you impoverished, imprisoned or even dead before they'll admit to having made a mistake.

I've been teaching through Ecclesiastes in Sunday school the past few weeks. It really seems to speak to these times in which Providence has us.
Ecclesiastes 1:2

[2] Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher,
vanity of vanities! All is vanity. (ESV)

Ecclesiastes 2:2426

[24] There is nothing better for a person than that he should eat and drink and find enjoyment in his toil. This also, I saw, is from the hand of God, [25] for apart from him who can eat or who can have enjoyment? [26] For to the one who pleases him God has given wisdom and knowledge and joy, but to the sinner he has given the business of gathering and collecting, only to give to one who pleases God. This also is vanity and a striving after wind. (ESV)
Scottj175
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But for the Love of God do lay in the meds


I have IVM and vitamins and zinc. What else?
Hanssachs
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Incept: 2021-06-24

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https://www.meissavaccines.com/post/meis....

This is a vaccine,literally, that I would take. Attenuated viruses, and induces mucosal AND systemic immunity, at least in testing. After Karl's story, I've accepted that EVERYONE is going to get this, the 19% who were vulnerable because of no cross immunity, and the 81% never susceptible because of pre-existing T cell immunity. The only way out is for everybody to get robust natural immunity.

It's time for authorities to level with us: you're going to get this. The best we can do is make sure your system is best prepared to handle it. Mass Vitamin D is the first treatment everyone can do, safelyif correctly advised. Probably ivermectin. Regeneron's monoclonal antibodies if admitted to hospital. IMASK+.

I'd love to see is a ticker describing the people for whom Karl DOES recommend the clot shot. That would be an argument against interest of all he has previously written, and most importantly allow an escape hatch for the morons who recommended this for everybody. If you corner them, they will fight, and they will fight dirty, giving the clot shot to children. Allow them an escape, and we might just go about actually treating this thing.
Merlin
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Tulsa, OK.
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Had an interesting conversation with a coworker the other day.
His hypotheses: The continued push to get the jab is an attempt to remove the unjabbed (control) group, thereby removing the ability to compare the two groups and see what damage the jab actually did.

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Weve tried the Soap Box, They censored that.
Weve tried the Ballot Box, They stuffed that.
Weve tried the Jury Box, They tamper with that.
All we have left is the Cartridge box.
Hanssachs
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@Dingle,

"Just this week, 3 senators got covid post-jab and (predictably) said words to the effect of "the jab kept it from getting worse"."

Do you have evidence that this is false? The problem is we have a lot of speculation with no real facts. It might in fact be the case that the clot shot does enable you to handle an actual infection better. It certainly doesn't prevent you from either getting the virus, or spreading. We might need to reconsider whether it's advisable for some people to get the shot so that they can handle an actual infection better.

The goal for us Has to be that we all get an infection, and recover from it, deriving natural immunity. There's no other way out of this. I have been as opposed to the clot shot as anybody, but if it does suppress people getting severe illness, and then allows them to get infection which gives them natural immunity, it might be of some benefit.

It's clear that there is little, if any, public health justification for a mandate for a vaccine that does not prevent the spread of the virus. Maybe it lessens the spread. That's not good enough for me. I hope to see the day when it's not good enough for public health authorities.
Robackrman
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Disgusted
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Let me know when it's time for this, with midget Mengele at the front of the line:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os4qyjPI....
Spaceace
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scottj - quercetin too. There was a good podcast on barnhardt.biz that discussed this.
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