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Tickerguy
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Duke used to have some shred of credibility.

They now deserve a W88 dead-center.

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Jack_crabb
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Yeah, if that is the extent of their ability to reason, they should have zero credibility. My, how far Duke has fallen.

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Mikeyinfl
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Found another one. Please let me know if these are redundant.

Attenuation of clinical and immunological outcomes during SARS-CoV-2 infection
by ivermectin June 23,2021

https://www.embopress.org/action/cookieA....

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"They show that IVM administration limits IFN response and lung inflammation, even though defects in the type I IFN pathways have been associated with severe COVID-19"

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"IVM action is steady and strong in the golden hamsters and is not expected to block the effectors of inflammation but rather to dampen its initiation."

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"Altogether, this study brings the proof of concept that an IVM-based immunomodulatory therapy improves the clinical condition of SARS-CoV-2-infected hamsters, and in clinical trials, it alleviates symptoms of COVID-19 in humans and possibly limits post- COVID-19 syndrome (also known as long COVID) via an antiinflammatory action."

I guess hamsters get Covid too...
Asimov
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East Tennessee
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Yes. Hamsters carry and transmit it just like humans, cats, deer, ferrets and mink. (Possibly others, but those I know ofhand.)

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Fumei
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Stoat, fisher cat, wolverine, martin, ermine, weasel, sable, and any other members of muselidae.
Bluto
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Incept: 2021-07-10

Florida
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@Conventional_wiz wrote: "Good news is majority were asymptomatic and rest had minor symptoms."

Actually that is bad news from a viral evasion standpoint. Asymptomatic means they are spewing virus everywhere versus staying at home, which increases the chances of viral evasion.

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Ee4fire
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I am thinking to where are we 12 months from now. Several data sets will become known have played out over more time. We will have more time exposure data to the vaccines vs natural immunity. I think with the data we are currently seeing we know it should be heading to natural better than jab.

Ivermectin & HCQ use which has shown good results will have more data to back up we had the therapeutics to beat the WuFlu and billions of dollars spent for development were basically wasted. Masks and shutdowns are just feel good measures. A well maintained immune system cannot be replaced with feel good measures and bad science/medicine.

Harri/Biden/Harris will have screwed up this country so bad we will be in serious economic trouble. Not that we arent already, but the band aid borrowing measures have stopped working and are blowing up.

The 2020 election audits conducted will have released enough evidence there was enough fraud to flip the electoral college and popular vote. While the WuFu fiasco should be enough to put a large number of public officials (elected &unelected) in prison, the economic damage along with the fraud to allow it to happen maybe enough to cause wide spread mistrust of our elite class and the oligarchy created by the corruption. The corrupt media will be disgraced and the main offenders will be permanently out of business. The distrust will turn Jan 6th more of a patriotic event than be treated as an illegal insurrection.

I dont know if it will happen, but something needs to wake up about 1/3 to 1/2 of the population who still think Biden/Harris and the Dems are not the evil party. There are plenty of people in that group who are so brain dead and brainwashed they are irreversibly broken. There are many Reps that need to be included in with the Dems. Hopefully we arent dumbed down enough (we are close now) to see the truth of the amount of corruption plaguing govt at all levels. The Constitution isnt the issue the people misusing it are the problem.

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Conventional_wiz
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@ Bluto

Yup, youre correct. The scientific facts are that the infected-while-vaccinated are by far the greatest risks of widespread transmission. Theres zero ability to refute this FACT, which is probably why TPTB are simply mum on the matter.

Its like the story of that Australian socialite who infected 60+ people (proved via serological testing) in a single weekend of partying!

Whats the R0 on THAT case :)
Reformedhippy
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I'm thinking that the MSM will never report on a high rate of successful recovery with IVM and FLCCC protocols because there will be lack of empirical data. Almost everyone I know of who has used these protocols or continues to use them have done so without the involvement of a doctor or hospital. Therefore, unless someone self initiates and funds a survey study and is able to defend accusations of correlation, it will just be our lone voices meeting in forums like this.
Tickerguy
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Yep.

No doc, no test, no hospital, not dead.

Well, ok, one test. Which I already had, for IgG, and ran about 2 weeks after being infected. Weak positive, but positive. Of note the others I had run on myself (I had several) all were definite negatives, and the last one was eight months expired on top of it, so who knows what degradation it underwent.

There is no official record anywhere, however, related to my person and Covid.

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Blackswan
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Incept: 2007-11-06

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I just want all the *******s pushing for boosters to get them and ****ing die slow and painfully. Let's start with Fauci and his family. Pfizer/J&J CEO, CSO, board and the ****s in the FDA and CDC.

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Obseedian
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It seems that realization is setting in that boosters won't be the best way forward. Amusingly, they are more worried about undermining confidence in the vaccines versus the problems they might cause.

https://els-jbs-prod-cdn.jbs.elsevierhea....
els-jbs-prod-cdn.jbs.elsevierhealth.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673621020468-1631529799470.pdf

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Although the benefits of primary COVID-19 vaccination clearly outweigh the risks, there could be risks if boosters are widely introduced too soon, or too frequently, especially with vaccines that can have immune-mediated side-effects (such as myocarditis, which is more common after the second dose of some mRNA vaccines,3 or Guillain-Barre syndrome, which has been associated with adenovirus-vectored COVID-19 vaccines4). If unnecessary boosting causes significant adverse reactions, there could be implications for vaccine acceptance that go beyond COVID-19 vaccines. Thus, widespread boosting should be undertaken only if there is clear evidence that it is appropriate.
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The message that boosting might soon be needed, if not justified by robust data and analysis, could adversely affect confidence in vaccines and undermine messaging about the value of primary vaccination.

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Tsherry
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"Amusingly, they are more worried about undermining confidence in the vaccines versus the problems they might cause."

This should surprise no one.
Lemonaid
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Incept: 2008-01-20

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Can't tell everyone you'll die if you don't take the shot twice a year when a big chunk of the populous doesn't want it in the first place. smiley

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Kontrolkaos
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Incept: 2021-09-13

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After browsing TF for a zillion years, okay only 12 or so, I finally registered to say thank you TG and other posters for keeping me on the right side of sane. Even as my family goes bonkers over my refusal to take the jab. There really is strength in numbers.

No one appears to be asking some critical questions. Among other things, it seems no one is surveying those Americans who never went back for the second shot to ask them why. These people number in the several millions. 15m is my rough estimate. Seems like an awful lotta people not going back, ya think?
Wakeupcall
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I would guess many dont want to admit they were so dumb in the first place.

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