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Tickerguy
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Uh huh. So why the wildly-high titers from the jabs?

And why would you need a booster? If you have B recognition you DON'T.

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Lunatic_fringe
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Karl - this is a little off topic but I'd like to hear your take on it. It's said that the drug manufacturers cannot be sued for their dreadful products because the government has given them immunity but how can the government usurp an individual's right to sue? I know I didn't sign my rights away.

What gives?
Heartlander
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@Winesorbet

Thank God I took French all through high school. And Google, evil as it is, does do handy translation for the words I've forgotten.

I'm making my way through the article now.

https://www.francesoir.fr/opinions-tribu....

I skimmed ahead, scanning the boldface subheadings, and quickly got to the BOMBSHELL: It appears that for three different reasons, the spike protein produced by the vaccines is WORSE, on a cellular level, than the spike protein from the viral infection.

As rusty as my French is, it will probably take me a couple hours to get through the whole article and get all the details.

Fortunately, it is written for a lay audience. Since Montagnier is one of the authors, hopefully it will get wide play and be translated in the English-speaking press SOON.

Thank you for sharing this, @Winesorbet.
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@Lunatic_fringe - because you didn't shoot them.

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Bluto
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@Jesjohn94

If they get you to roll over and submit to the physical penetration of your body by an unknown substance, the question isn't "what else will they make you do?".

The question is "what else won't they make you do?"

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Perhaps the inactivated coronavirus vaccines such as the Indian Covaxin might be something to consider. Covaxin is a based upon an unmodifed early strain that is chemically inactivated and boosted with an adjuvent; it possess all the wild-type anitgens, include the N-protein, and should theoretically produce an immune response similar to natural infection. Apparently the adjuvent used helps induce a strong Th1 adaptive immune response.
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@SMB14: 14 people in that "study" seems a but underwhelming
Georgi
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@Smb14, thanks for sharing this paper.
Again I was puzzled by the data from Israel showing quite high c19 hospitalization numbers among the boosted persons. This shouldn't be the case if the jab induces effective antibodies. B-cell recognition should provide the long lasting immunity but the 3rd jabs are still fresh so this is irrelevant.
It might be a mutational escape via delta or a new variant which will conveniently be identified somewhere else and not in a highly vaccinated country.

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Heartlander
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@Wishiunderstood

You sound like me. Anyone from my pharmacist to the dentist's office on the phone, to acquaintances I casually run into on the street, asks me if I've had the jab, I just blurt out, "Oh HELL no!" and then launch into VAERS and CMS statistics, personal anecdotes of people I know who've died or been permanently injured, facts about microclotting, facts about ADE, etc.

I always feel bad afterward for losing control. Not to mention that it's probably unwise to potentially put a target on my back for being so public. But I just can't stand pretending like everything's normal and hunky-dory. There's a #@*&%$! genocide going on.
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@Ares_ironbar - Do understand WHY they did not include "N" protein in the jabs used here.

In every animal trial run, ever, with a coronavirus, including trials where the intended target was human, using the "N" protein in the vaccine eventually produced vaccine-enhanced disease. Every time.

They BELIEVED the solved that problem by OMITTING the "N" protein. They had no hard proof for this, but that's what they believed.

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@Heartlander - I feel your pain. But I am completely out of ****s to give.

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@Aztrader:
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Good article.
Just tried to place it on Redditt under vaccines and they immediately removed it.{/Q]

There is a very simple answer to the Cancel Culture: work. Work by a lot of people. Just think of the amount of work Karl puts in in writing these posts, I mean just typing them besides whatever research he has to do. Have you got the wit, the temperament or the learning to do anything of the kind? Neither do I.

BUT, I can{/I] send a link or an entire article to, say, the owners of my apartment complex; to all the teachers in the local parochial school, to everyone in the Oregon Health Authority Department of Public Health, to the Archbishop, to his counsel, to 150 newspapers. Just yesterday the maintenance man in our complex told me that the owners had read it and were very pleased by it, and, O, and did I mind if he forwarded it to a few people?

In short, we can get the word out. It is not a problem in the least. We do not need Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. An hour or two, or far less, of such activity every day on the part of those here who have a little bit of time to spare. We all have email, the internet and life-saving, nation-saving info. If others are inspired to do anything of the kind, we may light a fire . . .

But if you (pl) think we can't, then of course we can't. But, if you think we can . . .

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@Ares_ironbar

I previously wondered the same about Covaxin, but would no longer consider it for the reason Karl mentions. There are no good vaccines and there won't be any.

There has been noise on here about Novavax. Given what we know about the spike protein itself, those are essentially a dose of poison. It is a defined amount, unlike the mRNA and viral vector. If there was something you could take which would "mop up" the spike protein, that might blunt the damage. That's a lot of risk though.

Best to simply be as healthy as possible and get proper treatment when you get it naturally. Even that might not be a panacea. A future strain could interact similarly to what happens sometimes with dengue. Again, get yourself as healthy as possible and don't depend on mainstream medicine.



Laurentz
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Couple random thoughts from long-time lurker, former poster under a different name:

-Perhaps the immune system doesn't develop immune memory from the spike protein because it views the spike protein as general garbage simply to be removed, instead of viewing it as a virus or bacteria to always watch out for? The spike protein is effectively a fancy glue, which explains the clotting, but it also means your body just treats it is a foreign substance and not a foreign organism.

-If you get vaccinated and then get "the coof", do you develop additional antibodies to the nucleocapsid from that encounter?

Thanks Gen for following the tedious breadcrumbs of knowledge I have not enough patience to dig through!

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@Georgi The reason for the strange numbers with the 3rd short is because the israelis are giving it to the elderly before anybody else.

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Or is the information I sent about the Novavax Vax the same thing just wrapped up in an organic package? I'm sure yoy all can help me figure it out.
Edwardteach
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@ Heartlander I've taken that article and stuck it in Google Translate...let's see if this link works...

https://translate.google.com/?hl=en

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Heartlander
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@Nemowillobserve

Man, that Kirsch submission needs to spread FAR and WIDE and RAPIDLY.

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Ceiii2000
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Always keep in the back of your mind, there has NEVER been a successful coronavirus vaccine. mRNA vaccines have never been used on humans successfully before. Just because thwy short circuited the system this time and may get away with it, we can NEVER let this **** happen again.
IF one of these other vaccines work they are a minimum of 10 years from me allowing them in my body.
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Keenan wrote..
Another OTC compound to be considered for your anti-Coof arsenal:

A study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science indicates that lactoferrin demonstrates potential for prophylaxis and treatment of SARS-Cov-2:


Whey protein powder contains a pretty good amount of lactoferrin.

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Heartlander
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Where is your line in the sand? Are we free people? Or are we slaves? Do we have a right to autonomy and medical self determination or not?

Hear, hear.

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Decide WHOM you will serve.
I am convinced that the Death Jab is a satanic initiation ritual. I would rather die than submit to it, so help me God.

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Karl,

So that's why a vaccine is never likely to work ona Corona virus as it has not in the past??
Tickerguy
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@Luciab - Correct. ALL attempts to produce a vaccine that is injected inherently put the spike into your circulation, which is dangerous. It cannot be avoided. Novavax at least puts a KNOWN AMOUNT of it into your circulation (as opposed to having your body produce it), but it is still dangerous.

Now getting infected CAN do the same thing. BUT -- it might not. The infection may stay local to the respiratory tract, and if it does then so does the potential pathology. As a reminder your alveoli are the ONLY cells that, for a time, can survive without direct perfusion because they can discharge CO2 to the atmosphere and take in O2. There is a limit to this because lactic acid and other biological waste is a product of life, and must be removed or eventually the cells will die, but over a short term they can survive this where nothing else in the body can or will. Of course if you get nailed bad it doesn't, and that damage is how and why you die.

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Georgi
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@Asimov , sure the elderly got the 3rd shot first. Therefore we see hospitalizations and deaths after the 3rd shot precisely among the elderly. What I meant is, there are a lot of hospitalizations and deaths after the 3rd shot meaning that for some reason these shots are not working even if they are as fresh as it gets. I mean for the above 70y olds you have for one week around 110 hospitalizations with c19 after the 3rd jab vs around 150 unvaxxed. It's not the waning of the vaccine protection. It must be sth else - mutation escape for example. On this data I would say the first indication is the 3rd shot is not doing much.
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