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Jwm_in_sb 6k posts, incept 2009-04-16
2021-08-31 15:03:09

Then they better start soon because they have an expiration date most likely.
Blanca 574 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2021-08-31 15:13:00

I don't think I've had the coof. It'd be better to get it during the warm weather and then get it over with and have lasting immunity. I figure everyone's going to get it, jabbed or not. Maybe I have some sort of cross-immunity. Who knows?

I could be tested for antibodies, but then they may not be measurable if I had it long enough ago. There is a way to get a T-cell test I believe. I have concerns about the results of these tests being sent to TPTB.
Defiant 3 posts, incept 2016-03-08
2021-08-31 15:13:14

Thank you Karl for the excellent article. I have been reading almost daily since the Obama years.

What is one to do when they have no option other than to get the jab? My wife is in the middle of the immigration process and the jab was just made mandatory for immigration as of October 1. We are completely against the vaccines but are being put in a position of not having a choice. Is one a better option than the others?
Nemowillobserve 75 posts, incept 2020-05-17
2021-08-31 15:13:25

Comment submitted to CDC and FDA from Steve Kirsch et al. Stunning.
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-08-31 15:13:39

@Defiant - not really.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Ambiguousfrog 82 posts, incept 2013-08-20
2021-08-31 15:31:17

Nice job. The wifey just went to Kroger for the quick stick and came back negative. Which means the PCR test they did in March was b.s. I assume (false positive for covid). She got paid sick leave at the time for ten days. And recently she told them (as an RN) to suck on their mandate. Funny, they approved her exemption on religious reasons.

Karl, can you have the b-cell memory without having antibodies from prior covid infection? Are there deeper or more extensive tests to indicate this?
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-08-31 15:33:12

You can have T cell recognition die to cross-immunity but it is difficult to get a conclusive result from that. There is a place running screening tests at a relatively hig lh cost but I have no idea how well a positive result correlates with actual immunity.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Ceiii2000 557 posts, incept 2021-05-17
2021-08-31 15:44:57


In most states, a person is only considered fully vaccinated fourteen days after they have had the full series of the vaccine.

So you aren't vaccinated until 14 days after you get your second shot.
Sarc Well no wonder nobody dies from the jab. If it is under 14 days you haven't been vaccinated yet and if it is over 14 days "well that was 2 weeks ago, obviously it isn't related."/sarc

As to part of the reason the unvaxxed are filling hospital beds. Other good stuff in this article also.
Drole 133 posts, incept 2015-11-17
2021-08-31 15:51:05


Aren't there some alternative paths to citizenship?
Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2021-08-31 15:51:13

I would look into religious or medical exemption. I would also consult with an attorney to see if there are any options.
Cheetah9 809 posts, incept 2021-02-15
2021-08-31 15:57:40

@Karl -- Someone mentioned a Pulitzer should be awarded to you for this piece and I wholeheartedly agree even though you'd probably tell them to take that prize and shove it up where sun don't shine! haha
It was so good that I sent it to my already deathstabbed family with this note:

"The following essay was recently written by a man whom I have known of and followed for several years. He has written extensively about the C19 and subsequent vaccines from the start of all of it in early 2020. I have provided his latest essay here along with several supporting documents. While you all vehemently disagree with me on all of it, Id encourage that this be read along with the support documents in an interest to at the very least, understand my stance on anything C19 related. It will upset each of your worldviews on this stuff so try to keep an open and discerning mind.
I love each of you with all my heart and hope that you will take the time to go through this. I am not stupid. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I simply have long held doubts with mainstream news and seek a full understanding of things which includes reading available information from multiple outlets and with multiple viewpoints. This here is one of the best Ive come across lately."

My main reason for sending it to them is to make them think before they all go get that 3rd deathstab. Hopefully they decide not to. I doubt they'll be swayed but maybe it will give them pause.
Bayportbob 60 posts, incept 2009-06-23
2021-08-31 16:04:19

Are there deeper or more extensive tests to indicate this?

I ran across these on a keto blog site... No affiliation blah blah...

I believe that can be found via Labcorp (except the T-Detect test)

SARS-CoV-2 Semi-Quantitative Total Antibody, Spike

* This test will quantify the level of detectable antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein receptor binding domain (RBD)
**Be sure to request the semi-quantitative as this will quantify how much antibody you have

SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies, Nucleocapsid
*Presence of nucleocapsid antibodies would indicate an adaptive immune response to SARSCoV-2, via recent or prior infection

T-DETECT: (this is ordered via but they use LabCorp as the draw site)
Cost is $199
*This test evaluates the specific T cell signature in response to SARS-CoV-2 infection,unfortunately it doesnt quantify the signature but does offer a positive or negative
Jesjohn94 1k posts, incept 2019-05-07
2021-08-31 16:04:45

@Defiant As you have probably noticed many people on here will never get jabbed. There is nothing wrong with that but depending what happens I suspect a large percentage of people who don't want the jab will decide they have no choice at some point. The example with your wife in the immigration process you might decide to roll the dice with the jab. My personal position is to delay as long as possible and hope for sanity.

There are quite a few rumors that Novavax which is a protein vaccine has significantly fewer side effects. I have no clue if it has lower life altering risks too.That drug keeps getting delayed and they are currently hoping to submit for approval Q4. Maybe an early 2022 approval is possible. If I was backed into a corner maybe I would take it. Becoming a hermit in my home never able to live freely is worse than risking a jab. Will it come to that? I have no clue. At the end of the day it is your life and your decision. The longer this goes on the more likely we will see longer term issues if that is going to happen. By the same logic the longer we go without catastrophe maybe there is less risk.
Jwm_in_sb 6k posts, incept 2009-04-16
2021-08-31 16:05:09

So watch them include the stats for twice jabbed in the unvaxxed category if the they didn't get the 3rd shot. That will skew the stats on unvaxxed. It sounds like that's what they did in Israel.
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-08-31 16:05:19

That's exactly what they are doing in Israel.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Gavilan 919 posts, incept 2014-01-01
2021-08-31 16:14:24

Beautifully written. I have been wondering how to pass this Ticker on to family members who will be resistant to hearing it and will, with your permission, crib from your letter.

Fuck the Forest Service.
Oh and FJB too.
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-08-31 16:14:31

Have at it @Gavilan

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Cheetah9 809 posts, incept 2021-02-15
2021-08-31 16:51:56

Thank you @Gavilan

Just what Karl said. Have at it. I don't expect much. In a more personal note to all of them I did say that I don't expect any feedback nor do I want any.

It was just so well written by Karl that I know they could understand! Whether or not they believe any of it is up to them and said as much in that more personal note too.

Additionally in that more personal note I said:

"I am not trying to change your minds on all this just as you already know that there isnt anything that you can do or say to change mine. This is simply additional information for yall to look at that may or may not be of interest to you. In other words, you can decide if it is worth reading or if it is valid. I dont expect any feedback nor do I want any. I just wanted to share something that I feel is very important. I think that we all can at least agree that more information is good information."

Feel free to use it. I will also add that I did not share Karl's website with them! I copied and pasted onto word with the embedded links still intact. I don't want them going there and see several of my comments about my "stupid fucking family" haha and stuff like that. They'd likely know my handle as it is an old baseball nickname (and my number too) I had for a long time. So...probably best to keep in on the down low like I did. Advice for anyone sharing this to your backassward thinking family. apologies if I broke a rule in copying. It was just a private email to my stupid fucking family. :) But I do still love them. hahaha

Reason: Further thoughts
Ktrosper 5k posts, incept 2010-04-06
2021-08-31 16:52:00

TG wrote..
already sequences in the public data banks documenting not only evasion but enhancement. All you need is for that particular lineage to become dominant...
Seems inevitable, doesn't it?
That would give the variant a leg up on all the other variants. It would be wildly successful at reproducing. Am I wrong?

The unexamined life is not worth living.-Socrates
The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law.-Aristotle
Liberty exists now in the spaces government has not yet ch
Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2021-08-31 16:52:57

For those folks who think they will end up caving on the vaxx if the consequences become too dire and/or too difficult ... Where and how far does this go? When and where does it all end?

No travel? No groceries? No leaving your home? No bank account? No credit cards? No ability to work? Social credit score? Vaxx passport? No drivers license? No social security check? Children taken from you because you aren't vaxxed and you refuse to allow your kids to be vaxxed? Forced vaccination? Everything you own confiscated? Arrests? Fines? COVID quanantine camps? Re-education?

Where is your line in the sand? Are we free people? Or are we slaves? Do we have a right to autonomy and medical self determination or not? Do we live under a constitutional republic or do we live under a communist dictatorship?
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-08-31 16:52:46

It's not that simple @Ktrosper; a virus only gets one crack at a host. If it runs into a host that is immune it loses the evolutionary lottery.

That is, this is not a deterministic situation and thus what "appears" to be obvious often is not.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-08-31 16:53:25

Oh, read the top ticker on /NAD right now.

Malone found the reason they did all of this -- and still are.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Stof 62 posts, incept 2011-10-17
2021-08-31 17:50:29

What is the best guess on a person's "danger time zone" if they got the jab? I got my 2 jabs in April. Not getting any boosters. Thx
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-08-31 17:51:09

6-12 months from last jab more or less...

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Smb14 29 posts, incept 2021-08-31
2021-08-31 18:26:33

So after arguing with my public health person about waning immunity from Israeli data. This what she came back with.

Which claims b cell development from the vaccine.

So if the vaccine produces strong b cells, why would you need a booster as the Israelies are suggesting.

My guess is it doesn't produce strong b cells or covid has mutated enough your vaccine is worthless and the booster is too.
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