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Jesjohn94
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I find it very hard to believe the R0 of delta variant is in the 5 to 9 range and is more dangerous than the original variant. That would mean exponential growth and we'd all be seeing it in our communities. That has to be a deliberate lie to coerce more people to get jabbed. Amazing how many children have been jabbed already.




The academy, which represents pediatricians, pointed out that severe illness still appears to be rare among children. The number of hospitalizations has remained steady through much of the pandemic. Children accounted for 1.3%-3.5% of the hospitalizations, depending on the state.

Seven states have reported no child deaths from Covid-19 during the pandemic. As of Monday, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports 526 deaths among children ages 0-17.
Among the some 25 million US children between 12 and 17 years old, about 10.9 million have been vaccinated with at least one dose of vaccine, according to CDC data.
Mjc1960
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I never understand testing. Most doctors prescribe nothing until you turn blue.
Tickerguy
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I've seen ZERO evidence that Delta is "more virulent"; to the contrary, it appears to be less-so.

What I AM seeing is a modulation effect that may be from the jabs, which is causing people who otherwise would not have had a detectable case (or an extremely mild one no worse than a common summer headcold) getting hammered hard enough to wind up in the ER. But -- they're not dying. Yet.

The problem with the data right now is that they're lying. I know they're lying about the percentage that is vaxxed in these transports because I have multiple contacts in the health care space, front-line people who either transport people or who make the admit/no decision at the hospitals. There is not enough statistical power to draw a conclusion I'm willing to defend, but what I KNOW is that the claim of "99% of the admits are unvaccinated" is a flat-out LIE.

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Kareninca
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Rowdypeasant, I weigh 138 pounds and I take four notches of ivermectin whenever I feel as if I am around people who might be problematic. Sometimes I take it several times a week. I am going to keep this up til the present surge is over. In this clinical trial, it is given daily to covid patients:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625....

The covid critical care protocol is for a lot more than you are taking: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-conte....

This is NOT medical advice. I DON'T think that you should act on it!!! Instead, I think you should contact one of the actual doctors who advises covid patients re ivermectin to get guidance. And see a local doctor now, any local doctor who is competent.
Winesorbet
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A buddy of mine just pinged for info on how to get ivermectin. His friend's family of 18, all vaxxed, went to the shore last weekend. All 18 now test positive. Yeah, the media is full of ****!
Abelardlindsey
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Vox Day thinks the obsession to vaccinate young people, who have little risk for the disease itself, is suggestive of an intent to sterilize the youth of the West.

To me, this explanation falls short in several areas. One, what is the point of sterilizing the West when the rest of the world, particularly China and India, are not doing the same? Second, if you want to make a sterility vector, surely you would want to make them (you want to make 3 or 4 of them) such that they are as asymptomatic as possible. A very mild cold for a few days that you blow off as nothing, then find out four years down the road you can't have kids. That, and not to mention the fact that everyone in on it has to keep their mouths shut indefinitely. This is an example of a conspiracy theory that does not hold water in my estimation.

This doesn't even consider the possibility that once people figure it out, that there will be a slaughter of everyone involved in it.

I do believe this obsession that started last week to pressure everyone into the shots is an attempt to eliminate a large "control group". It reeks of desperation.

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Chromehill
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Since many of us, if not already, will be facing "Get the Jab or else" decision from our employers. Any thoughts on Novavax? Is this potentially a safer option? From my small amount of research, it appears to use the spike protein just a different delivery mechanism, howver it suppossedly does not cause the body to produce the spike protein, possibly this is safer or at least a lower spike protein load.

Without the full virus in the vaccine, it sounds like the possible OAS and ADE possibilities would still be there. Maybe your not facing the problem with many spike proteins in your body? Then there is the fact that it is another quickly developed Jab with no long term testing. Which probably makes it a NO on that alone.

Most likely answered my own question.

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Drole
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"Among the some 25 million US children between 12 and 17 years old, about 10.9 million have been vaccinated with at least one dose of vaccine, according to CDC data."

What the ever living Front Door is this? I had no idea this was so high.


Robackrman
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@Drole

An unacceptable gamble given how few children and young adults have trouble with Covid and the unknown medium to long-term risks. My nieces and nephews have been jabbed :-(
Disgusted
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When the pretext for all they espouse is a lie, the only thing they have left is force. I predict that 80% will end up getting the death jabs, which is right in line with the 80/20 rule that 20% actually do everything that takes brains; while the 80% of dumb asses just go along and mooch off the 20%. This is just turning into a large scale death cult now, with midget Mengele as the leader.

Gymbojim
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@Tickerguy
Can you elaborate why you think the Pfizer "Whistleblower" story is garbage? Graphene oxide is not big deal, you don't buy the activation potential, the PEG is overstated? Just curious is all.
Robackrman
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States are sitting on millions of surplus Covid-19 vaccine doses as expiration dates approach

https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/20/stat....

Apparently to solution to this problem is to extent the expiration date. smiley
Pseudofed
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Yes the claim that 99 percent are unvaccinated is an obvious and blatant lie. And they keep releasing new reports that include deaths from the prior wave. That they are lying about this suggests the truth is not favorable.

But there are degrees of lies. The stuff CNN says is junk, reported hospitalization rates less so, though susceptible to all varieties of confounding factors including positive tests in patients that were admitted for some other reason. Even so we can at least discern some information from observed changes. And even then we can at least grant some credence to what appear to be honest accounts of real people on professionally oriented online forums. That isn't to say something is true because it is said there, but to help us grope and triangulate in the dark towards figuring out what is real.

And based on that: the per capita hospitalization rates are higher than they've ever been among younger cohorts in Florida, corroborated but not nearly confirmed by multiple reports of an increase in young and pediatric cases that are severe on places like r/nursing.

I scoured through that forum and amidst a number of nurses reporting seeing lots of unvaccinated patients (unsurprisingly, in very unvaccinated areas) the only proper numerical estimate shared was an estimate that 30-40 percent were vaccinated. It shouldn't surprise any of us that the only precise estimate was something dramatically different than what is usually reported.

What leads to my dilemma is that if a substantial portion of cases are vaccinated, and overall severe cases are up per capita -- dramatically so among younger people -- that suggests not just vaccine failure but actually enhanced disease. Which is possible, but just something I would have assigned a relatively low prior probability this early on.

@Chromehill. Yeah Novavax is approximately: (1) give something that looks like J&J to moths and lab harvest from them spike protein that is produced as a result, (2) give that to humans with a more traditional adjuvant. It is still bad in that the spike protein is bad, but seems that adverse reactions are a lot less common and the fact that it doesn't actually cause your body to manufacture spike is reassuring.
Quantum
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@Chromehill: My understanding of Novavax is the same, that it doesn't produce additional spike protein once injected, but it has no longer- or intermediate-term safety data, either.

The problematic coronavirus vaccines that everyone talks about from the recent past were in some instances similar, I believe, so yes, there is reason to wonder about the OAS/ADE danger.

Quantum
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@Pseudofed:

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Yes the claim that 99 percent are unvaccinated is an obvious and blatant lie...


I sort of assumed it was a lie, but the CDC presentation that was leaked to the Washington Post said 9% of hospitalizations and 15.1% of in-hospital deaths were vaccinated. Keeping in mind the cycle threshold issue, 28 if vaxxed higher if not, those figures may be low vs. reality, or at least low vs. the same standard applied to non-vaxxed.

The late-July presentation only had data through the end of May. In the absence of data, it's not unreasonable to suspect that the trajectory might be the same as what Israel has seen. So it's probably well over 10% vaccinated now.


Xanares
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Mjc1960 wrote..

This diet claims to reverse genetic aging markers.
It's basically paleo or keto.

https://www.aging-us.com/article/202913/....

I don't follow any diet religiously but generally have hovered around paleo for 30 some years. People say I look good for my age. Maybe they're just being polite.


Same since 2008 and same reaction. Am 46, people guess 36. Could be a metabolism thing I guess, too.

Maddmaxx
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@Tickerguy said:

"What I AM seeing is a modulation effect that may be from the jabs, which is causing people who otherwise would not have had a detectable case (or an extremely mild one no worse than a common summer headcold) getting hammered hard enough to wind up in the ER. But -- they're not dying. Yet."

Modulation effect is essentially ADE?
Maddmaxx
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Driving home just a little while ago I heard a promo spot for an Iheartradio podcast on the vaccines. (Might be called "Hotshot.") The guy interviewed was absolutely gushing over the vaccines saying they might be the greatest vaccines ever developed. Safe and effective. I really have to wonder what he's looking at. And how can a scientist make that claim when there is no long-term data/studies?
Pseudofed
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I actually don't know how that cycle threshold rule even works in practice. My wife gets tested somewhat frequently as required since she isn't vaccinated. Says they never once asked her whether she is vaccinated or not. I think the rules might affect inpatient testing decisions, including who they test when there aren't symptoms. But I actually don't think they even have a very good system of knowing who is vaccinated, or ask about it in any systematic way.

So according to the leaked presentation 10 percent of hospitalizations and 15 percent of deaths were among the fully vaccinated in May which is a sharp jump from the previous month. Heck: fully vaccinated were 1.7 percent of deaths in February and the full vaccination rate that month went from 1.5 percent to about 7 percent and most of the deaths were in the early part of that month.

Probably yes, well over 10 percent vaccinated now. But a lot of the earlier jump happened at the same time as vaccination rates also jumped and the implied efficacy actually probably increased a lot in March and April compared to February before falling again in May.

Either way completely puts to rest claims about 99 percent
Eleua
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One, what is the point of sterilizing the West when the rest of the world, particularly China and India, are not doing the same?


You answered your own question.

Ethno-European genocide.

Qui bono?

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Conventional_wiz
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Vax pushing getting stronger... here's an anecdote from a friend's company today:

- vaccine is going to be mandated or you lose your job ... and possible every year!
- a doctors note or religious exemption won't be enough.

Policies in the meantime:

- reinstated masks for unvaxxed. If caught twice without a mask you are terminated.
- all vaccinated people have a sticker on their badge
- unvaccinated people can't eat lunch in the cafeteria, only a lone at their desk

This is starting to sound like school-children (of the bully variety) are making these policies....
Tickerguy
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Veal.

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Kickthecan
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@Chromehill

While the protein subunit jabs don't have the wildcard of exactly how much your body might produce and for how long, you are still getting a lot of the protein systemically. The endothelial damage from that might turn out to be the worst danger from all of these.

Might it be possible to take large amounts of certain supplements and medications to quickly mop up those proteins? Perhaps, but there's no more evidence of that than for the jabs themselves being safe or effective.

We'll see if Novavax ever gets approved. We might find out about Covaxin soon. There are conflicting claims whether that will happen in a few weeks or a few months. It's available in Mexico. If you travelled there for a few weeks, presumably could get it. Maybe could even simply get documentation that you received it for a benjamin or two.

Because of the huge number of people in India who've received Covaxin, there might be enough pressure on the WHO to approve it. However, we might never seen anything approved in the US other than Pfizer, Moderna and J&J. So nice that we have the best government health department that money can buy. Because of that, even if you get an alternative jab, good luck getting an employer or other entity to accept that. They'll want you to get one of the approved ones too. Thinking we're seeing that with international students at universities.







Abelardlindsey
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You answered your own question.

Ethno-European genocide.

Qui bono?


This would make sense if it was all being driven by the Chinese. But the whole mRNA vaccine thing is being driven by our own people. How do they benefit by turning over Europe and North America to the Chinese or any other non-Western people?

It would be a like "thanks for stopping the reproduction of your own people. We'll take it from here. BTW, this land is ours now."

This is what does not make sense about this.

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Quantum
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@Conventional_wiz: The EEOC has said that religious beliefs that conflict with vaccination should be accommodated unless they impose an undue burden. However, the 'undue burden' restriction is not as strong as it is for people with disabilities (undue burden = more than de minimis cost). A plus is that the EEOC suggests allowing telework or periodic testing as possible accommodations.

A possible backdoor way to opt out of vaccination might be to request a reasonable accommodation to be allowed to do full-time telework (if that's possible given your job). There are a variety of disabilities that could make commuting difficult and the law calls for accommodation if at all possible.
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