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Neonsignal
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Totally agree. The injected particles will go everywhere. They will invade cells and spikes will be produced. The claim from the CDC link is that the spikes are produced 1-1 with mRNA strands and that the spikes stay on the cell membrane, rather than being released back into circulation.
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@Neonsignal -- That does not matter for the person who got stabbed.

It MIGHT matter for peripheral exposure to others, or maybe not, but whether it does is not material because whether it's one cycle or two (e.g. expressed or lysed, then attaches) you wind up in the same place almost immediately.

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Thankful that 40% of US Marines "Just Said No" to being lab rats.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021....
Neonsignal
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The difference between free floating spikes and spikes expressed on the membrane of cells (that are fixed in one location and not free-floating) would be that it's less likely that the spikes would travel through the body to bind to things in a similar way to the real virus.

Pathologies around the spike binding to ACE2 would be less common, but pathologies around clotting from blood contacting the spikes on epithelial walls would still be a major problem.

IOW - the lipid particles might end up in the lung and express the spike, but that's not the same as lots of spikes being ejected back to the bloodstream, and having it bind to an ACE2 receptor somewhere. At least I'm assuming that a spike expressed on the membrane is less likely to find an ACE2 receptor near enough to bind to? Or maybe I am missing something. I'm not an expert on this by any means :(
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It is established that the spike protein itself is dangerous. Don't these vaccines, particularly the mRNA one, produce much larger quantities of this spike protein than infection itself?

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@Neonsignal - Doesn't matter when you get down to it. The mRNA is taken up systemically so where the spike is produced will be "everywhere." Whether it then gets released and circulates everywhere or whether it stays where it's produced everywhere is everywhere, and there's little or no difference of substance.

Given the apparent secondary contact-level expression of pathology from people vaccinated to those who have not been, however, I suspect the claim that the spike produced never leaves the original cell that takes up the mRNA is flat-out bull****. I don't have the lab equipment to prove it, but it wouldn't be hard to prove in someone newly-vaccinated; wait 2 days and then see if you can find the spike protein in the blood. Given the anecdotal reports I'd put a big steak dinner wager on that one. Oh, and at least one of the trial documents for these mRNA shots discloses the potential for environmental secondary exposure, so it is NOT something the manufacturer didn't think of.

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Quote:
Hundreds of cases of blindness are among the 19,916 reports of eye disorders to the World Health Organizations European drug monitoring agency following injection of experimental COVID-19 vaccines


Somebody needs to get their eyeballs poked out.
Neonsignal
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@tickerguy

Really appreciate your responses! I see what you mean about expression everywhere being pretty much the same thing.

Great point on the anecdotal reports of spike shedding. I would love to know the answer to that but I have no ability to test it myself.

Even if it's designed to be expressed and not free floating, doesn't mean that it always is, for every possible cell type that might get hijacked! That was actually another thing that really bothered me - the idea that you can randomly hijack 5B cells in the body and not have the possibility of generating a harmful autoimmune response, across all possible cell types, seems totally insane. The problems would show up in a multiplicity of weird, rare problems, which were difficult to definitively trace to the shot. Which is funnily enough exactly what we've got.
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@Neonsignal - It is insane, especially considering that Moderna has been trying to make this work for 10 years and has NEVER SUCCEEDED; they always ran into systemic toxicity and immune-dysregulation problems, every time, and in fact if my read of the literature is correct they never even got out of animal trials!

The premise that they had some magic bullet this time, without the FULL set of said trials to prove it, is crazy. Sure, they might have hit the jackpot -- but with the track record behind them you have to be NUTS to take their word for it.

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Workerbee
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Karl, you deserve a big steak and all the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders you can handle.
This ticker is top #3.

Lotsa rabbit holes....and we keep finding more.

Your statement above:

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... Oh, and at least one of the trial documents for these mRNA shot
discloses the potential for environmental secondary exposure, so it is NOT something the manufacturer didn't think of....


do you mean vaccine shedding has been a valid concern?

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@Workerbee - It's obliquely referenced in one of the trial study documents that appears to be authentic, so they were at minimum concerned it was possible.

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Who could make this **** up?

Just when I think this could not get worse.....

It does.

Might as well get used to that since we're still in the vaccines first wave.

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Speedpolkabrewer
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Funny thing is, and I mean that ironically, maybe 10 minutes before I read this ticker, another home run by the way, I heard a new commercial on the radio. Paraphrasing a bit, but the gist is the same. "We know some of you have reluctance to get your jab, but for god's sake get it. We all want to get back to normal. Besides, you will never get to see or hug your family if you don't. So stop being selfish and get poked now. There are thousands of appointments available in your area. We want this over with, and you are holding us back. So get it already."
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Tickerguy wrote..
@Pilot -- The data comes in late but from last year after about four to six weeks most of it is in the system. This is why those last few weeks have that downturn; the data is simply not there yet for those deaths.


Okay, that IS what I understood, but seeing it I had that question. It does make sense to me, just making sure I am grasping this stuff correctly. Im a data driven person, but I have to work at understanding it completely. No gift here for "seeing patterns".

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I second Workerbee, I have this printed, at the very least my entire family, is educated, regarding the dangers of the various poisons.

Everyone in my family knows who Karl Denninger, is.

It is a family affair to read the tickers.

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First of all, I think just the "rare" clotting disorders already reported in the media have caused a large reduction in people getting vaccinated. In my area this weekend two thousand vaccination appointments are reported to be going unused at just one mass vaccination site.

I wanted to find confirmation of exactly what proteins are being created by the mRNA experimental injections and found the article linked below indicating that the current mRNA vaccines induce the creation of the full length of the spike. "Full-length spike" implies that it INCLUDES the cell-latching S1 protein shown on the tip of the spike in the graphic also linked below.

It is suggested in this article (written before the 8 Mar 2021 study revealing the S1 protein pathology) that future vaccines may beneficially use just the S1 protein.

An overview of spike protein antigen COVID-19 vaccine candidates
22 Feb 2021

https://www.news-medical.net/news/202102....

Full-length spike vaccines

Several vaccines that incorporate the full-length spike include the Oxford/Astra-Zeneca adenovirus vector vaccine (ChAdOx1 nCoV‐19), Ad5 vector, the LNP- encapsulated mRNA vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech (BNT162b2) and Moderna (mRNA‐1273), and the Novavax vaccine that uses the recombinant spike protein (NVX‐CoV2373).

S1-based vaccines

The S1 subunit has a unique advantage as a potential vaccine candidate, in that both the RBD and the NTD are located on this subunit. It is strongly immunogenic and induces neutralizing antibodies. Candidate vaccines using the S1 subunit include one using a microneedle array using recombinant S1-Fc fusion protein (Fc being an immunoglobulin component), and one based on a recombinant inactivated rabies virus platform.

"Once it locates a human cell, part of the spike protein known as S1 latches onto a receptor on the surface of the cell. The S1 protein falls off, leaving an attached segment the S2 protein which inserts itself into the cell.":

https://media.zenfs.com/en/usa_today_new....

Anyone have any similar tech details on the J&J experimental injection?
Chromehill
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My wife is a retail pharmacist, has been giving the jab (unfortunately she got it too). Demand for the jab has nose dived in Harford County Maryland. County Health director was chastizing the northern part of the county (white/conservative) for not getting the jab, going as far as blaming a possible outbreak on people like me. F him.

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Abelardlindsey
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A good question for the lot of you. We had a swine flu in 1976 that we were gearing up to vaccinate everyone until a bunch of people came down with Gillian-Barre syndrome. What does the percentage of vaccinated people with side effects with the covid-19 vaccines compare to the rate of such with the 1976 flu vaccine?

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Ronniemcghee
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When the Pfizer shot moves from experimental to approved, it will be ready to join the vaccine protocol for newborns. Hospital administration will not be able to override Federal pressure to include it.

It is interesting how the notion of an internal war against the haves and have nots has, within one year, turned into the notion of an internal war against the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

That was clear, no?
Tonythetiger
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Given that the spike protein can cause all these problems, can we make any educated guesses about what sort of things can be done to improve the odds of not experiencing some really bad outcomes?

Are there simple non-prescription things that might reduce the effects even a little? Anyone who has already taken the jab (let's assume on "false pretences") could use every possible benefit.

And yes, I'm aware of the "stupid is as stupid does" view of their plight, but some folks may be forced to choose between vaxxing and eating. I, for one, would prefer to focus on the positive side of the equation as much as possible.

For instance:

Blood clotting: low dose aspirin - does it help any? Worth trying?

Vitamins A, C, D??

Ivermectin?

Steroids? Anti-histamines? Etc.

Other naturopathic remedies for blood thinning or the other potential expressions of having those damn spikes running loose?






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Pavolley
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O.M.G.

Johnson And Johnson Rolls Out New 'No More Clots' Vaccine
April 29th, 2021 - BabylonBee.com
https://babylonbee.com/news/johnson-and-....
Clyde
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I read everything on Karl's stuff (exceptional thru and thru) and all you guys going back and forth (exceptional also) and I have come a few conclusions.

1. This thing is not tested (esp. animal testing).

therefore

2. Who the hell knows what it's doing in the body.

therefore

3. I'm not taking it.

thanks Karl and to you all, this site is a treasure from heaven,
your godsends.

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Thankful that 40% of US Marines "Just Said No" to being lab rats.

Should we thank them for being them for serving the control group? Should we thank the jabbed green goons for being the guinea pigs?
Cwixom
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While damage from the spike protein seems certain, this statement at the end of one of the reports indicates that the vaccine, although introducing the S protein, actually provides some benefit. It would be nice to know if that was only for those who contract the disease because it seems to me that if you didn't contract it then it would be net harm because the benefit only accrues to those who become infected.

From the "SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Impairs Endothelial Function via Downregulation of ACE2" report:

"This conclusion suggests that vaccinationgenerated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from
SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury and ultimately
decrease cardiovascular complication-associated mortality in COVID-19 patients."

Keep up the good work. It is appreciated.
Austin
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today went for a 12 mi 3000' hike [ Bear mtn , agassiz bc ] with two friends both vaccinated, both think i'm a conspiracy nut.
as yet no problems from either , go look at worldometers , uk & israel still bottom on case /deaths
Time will tell with this ,,
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