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Blackcrow
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@Karl - another epic essay. Should be mailed to everybody in the MSM, CDC and Congress. But there are none so blind as those that will not see...

I would say this confirms my clinical impression of my cancer patients - no excess mortality due to covid. My two patients who did die after testing positive had classic lung findings, were poorly controlled diabetics, obese and were actually in remission.

India is very worrisome. Their cases are surging, esp in Maharashtra state, due to this double mutant. Interestingly, and what I and others predicted, it is more infectious and more lethal than the wild type. Same as the P1 variant in Brazil.

These arose after vaccination started.

I believe that the immunologic pressure of vaccinating against the spike protein is actually promoting mutation as the virus wants to do this anyway.

There is now virus in the immunized host that has escaped the antibody attack and has a chance to escape cellular immunity before being shed - hence greater lethality in the next host.

I think Fauci knows this and hence the mandate for masks & vax to infinity.

It is madness driven by lies and greed and ends with total destruction of the West.

Of note, China has not reported a covid death since approx 4/2020 on the worldometer.
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How do do you get the Ivermectin? Can you explain the process. And how do you know it is real? What does it cost? Is it legal?

Thank you.
Kikknback
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Zotman wrote..
Any idea of which if any religious/tribal/ethnic etc. groups are exempt from receiving vaccines?


You have an exemption. You just have to have the will you use it.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." Second Amendment

Why do you think they want the guns?

How do you fend off this tyranny without guns?

Do you take the deadly shot or do you shove a barrel up against their forehead, and cock the trigger and tell the little Nazi, "welcome to hell"?

It's you or them, and you better decide which it will be before they get to you.

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Internalexile
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@Kikknback - youre exempt if you have a PEG allergy. I discovered mine when prepping for a colonoscopy and the prep solution induced both the planned reaction and incredible itching. Its an amazingly uncomfortable discussion for any third party btw. I expect my employer to mandate the vax (aka the Pax to any Firefly fans).

@Karl - Ive been a decade-long lurker and while I cant say I agree with you 100 percent on your next steps, your fundamental analyses are always sound. Thank you. This latest is again on the mark. The Covid fear porn has to stop and the only way to sway the few remaining rational people is real data.
Mightymosin
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@happyapricot I just used this link. It's a $90 medical consult with the option for the Dr to review your answers and not do a phone consult if you choose. Based on that, they will send your Rx to the pharmacy they normally work with, though they say they are not affiliated.

It took about 2.5 hours for me to get an text that said that my Rx had been sent to the partner pharmacy and that they would contact me within 48 hours. I don't know the Rx cost at this point.

https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.org....

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Heartlander
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Happyapricot

Visit https://covid19criticalcare.com/

which is a comprehensive go-to source for everything you ever might want to know about ivermectin and is updated constantly.

Scroll down to the "Essential Documents" section to find the treatment and prevention protocols.

If your own doctor can't or won't prescribe ivermectin, there are telemedicine providers who will:

https://c19protocols.com/physicians-faci....

Heartlander
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Happyapricot
(and anyone else using a telemed provider):

I was appalled at local pharmacies' prices for the ivermectin. Thankfully, my telemed provider advised me to get an app called GoodRx. GoodRx provides you online coupons for drug prescriptions. The coupon cut the price from $170 (for a bottle of 35 3mg pills) down to $25.
Lemonaid
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Tickerguy wrote:

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I can find only 120,475 more deaths that Covid-19 may have contributed to and which included those diseases as a causal factor in total.


I'm not totally understanding why the other deaths attributed to Covid in 2020 are not found in the CDC data.

I haven't looked at the data but wouldn't the remaining ~120K excess deaths in 2020 that you couldn't account for in the other causes of death show up in the Covid death data column for 2020 (Seems these unaccounted for Covid deaths would be "of" and not "with" Covid deaths)?

Has the CDC recently reported the current count or % of deaths that were "of" Covid? A few months ago, the CDC reported that only 6% of deaths related to Covid were solely "of" Covid. Has this % dramatically increased since then?

I wonder if the unaccounted for ~120K excess deaths in 2020 is because these deaths were recorded, either intentionally or unintentionally, as solely "of" Covid. [/ulist]
Tickerguy
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Ah, grasshopper read it again.

Incidentally that figure is roughly the same I get from both the BLS data AND Social Security data.

Wanna bet the other two are BOTH wrong?

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Captainkidd
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Hmmmm....
Inline

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Mannfm11
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Yeah, and is it eve 120K? How many people died of heart attacks because the hospitals were shut down or the doctors were harder to access? I am the peak of the boomer generation and I turned 65 last year. The age/death figures seem to follow pretty much normal dying demographics. 7% is a large jump in heart attack deaths, but anyone who has ever examined the age/death data of heart deaths finds they too increase significantly with age. You have to die of something.

I have thought about those BLS statistics you posted a few weeks ago. Seems they did show a decline in the increase from the year prior. Seems I do recall births peaking around 2006, which would indicate an increase, not a decrease. I will go farther, in that I have looked at the figures too. One thing I found that was surprising is that the annual increase in deaths isn't linear, but erratic. I had expected to find a direct link between flu severity and the volatility of the figures. I found no such link, that was significant. There is something else, that in a given year, adds or subtracts from the death total. 2019 was actually a low death year, when adding in the trend. You would think, out of a sample size of over 300 million, you would have a more stable flow of statistics.

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Mabman
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"Consistent physical inactivity was found to be a more severe risk factor than pre-existing heart disease, diabetes, kidney disease and high blood pressure among the group of patients studied."
Of course, that is why in Ontario, Canada we have made all outdoor activity illegal, and closed every single gym?
Perhaps that is why every lockdown jurisdiction had such horrible
Ontario has jumped the shark. We need to open up and get people outdoors doing physical activity.
A message that physical activity could protect you from ending up in the hospital, in my view, could have saved many lives over the past year, but I would also say its not too late to get started.
I agree, it's not too late.
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Regular exercise habits appear to be just the thing for shaking off severe COVID-19 complications, according to a new study of more than 48,000 Kaiser Permanente patients in Southern California.
Kaiser members who reported that they were regularly engaging in at least 150 minutes of moderate-to-strenuous exercise per week essentially a brisk walk or better when they were diagnosed with COVID-19 had significantly lower odds of hospitalization, intensive care unit admission and death than those who estimated their weekly efforts at 10 minutes or less.
The results were less dramatic, but still visible, for those who said they exercised for between 10 and 149 minutes per week.
Researchers found that the risk of hospitalization for those with low activity levels was more than twice as high as for those who got moving for at least 2.5 hours every week. Low activity levels also correlated with death rates that were about 2.5 times higher than they were for those with high activity levels.
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Tickerguy
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@Mabman - I explained that about a month into this; since the bug kills by impairing oxygen transport through the lungs, and a person who exercises briskly has more reserve (by a lot) than a couch potato, you simply have more reserve to be consumed by the disease on a temporary basis and still survive.

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Lemonaid
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Even in Michigan the gyms are open.

Mine goes mask free too.

(Although I *am* on a far northern Detroit suburb)

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Steph4liberty
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@Lemonaid - I'm jealous. The asshats at Planet Fitness here in NC have not only required masks (thanks to our Gov Asshat Cooper), but have taken things even further and are now saying which types of masks they'll allow (no mesh and no clear face shields) people to use in their facility. **** them. They won't get a dime from me anymore.

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Drifter
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Had a covid truther in just now. He's been wearing the same n95 mask for an entire year. The ****er wasn't even white anymore. He rigged up new elastic bands with staples and rubber bands.

You cannot talk sense to these people. Lost a 20 year patient because when she asked "I must be so afraid of covid" I simply replied I wasn't.
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This was just posted on Naked Capitalism:

"I got Pfizer jab #2 Monday afternoon. This morning I wake up and blow my nose and see blood mixed in with my mucus although no blood on my pillow or anywhere else. Since I have below normal platelet counts (but not in the danger zone), nose bleeding is always a small concern like I wonder if my platelet counts are falling. I decide Ill report this on the VAERS vaccine response system since platelets have been an issue with at least J&J. Its a 5 page form. Im doing a decent job filling it out and get to the end of the form. Hit submit. Nothing happens. Submit is kind of grayed out. Look through the form thoroughly to see where I might have missed something. I see nothing. In the end, I give up. I cant submit this stupid form, and it wont tell me where Im missing something.

Im sure Im not the only one who has tried this and failed.

Sigh. Underreporting possible issues."

What I find amazing is not that VAERS is blocking reports. I presume that that is what it is designed to do. What I find amazing is the broken spirited reaction of this poster. "Sigh. Underreporting possible issues."

I have a close family member who is 61 y.o. who is about to be vaccinated. He is obese and won't exercise, so unfortunately it is likely the better choice. I asked him if he wanted me to send him information about the hazards of the vaccine, and he said no.
Mabman
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I know KD has written about the useful of masks before ...

The excerpt below is from a monthly newsletter I get (from Arthur Firstenberg). I was very surprised to find out that theres scientific literature showing a lack of efficacy for surgical masks for surgeries! I was able to locate a couple of his references, but the trouble with trial accounts with the medical journals, is that you typically only get to view a few articles before they want you to pay for a subscription.

Heres what was written, and then the study references afterwards:
society is tearing its fabric apart by instituting measures that are protecting no one and are instead sickening and killing people. I will mention just one of those measures here: facial masks.
As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil Orrs study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England. Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries. They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years. And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks. Their conclusion: It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all and that wearing a mask during surgery is a standard procedure that could be abandoned.
I was so amazed that I scoured the medical literature, sure that this was a fluke and that newer studies must show the utility of masks in preventing the spread of disease. But to my surprise the medical literature for the past forty-five years has been consistent: masks are useless in preventing the spread of disease and, if anything, are unsanitary objects that themselves spread bacteria and viruses.
Ritter et al., in 1975, found that the wearing of a surgical face mask had no effect upon the overall operating room environmental contamination.
Haeri and Wiley, in 1980, applied human albumin microspheres to the interior of surgical masks in 20 operations. At the end of each operation, wound washings were examined under the microscope. Particle contamination of the wound was demonstrated in all experiments. [Scotts comment: They contaminated the inside of face masks before surgery, on purpose, then found wound contamination containing the same substance.]
Laslett and Sabin, in 1989, found that caps and masks were not necessary during cardiac catheterization. No infections were found in any patient, regardless of whether a cap or mask was used, they wrote. Sjl and Kelbaek came to the same conclusion in 2002.
In Tunevalls 1991 study, a general surgical team wore no masks in half of their surgeries for two years. After 1,537 operations performed with masks, the wound infection rate was 4.7%, while after 1,551 operations performed without masks, the wound infection rate was only 3.5%.
A review by Skinner and Sutton in 2001 concluded that The evidence for discontinuing the use of surgical face masks would appear to be stronger than the evidence available to support their continued use.
Lahme et al., in 2001, wrote that surgical face masks worn by patients during regional anaesthesia, did not reduce the concentration of airborne bacteria over the operation field in our study. Thus they are dispensable.
Figueiredo et al., in 2001, reported that in five years of doing peritoneal dialysis without masks, rates of peritonitis in their unit were no different than rates in hospitals where masks were worn.
Bahli did a systematic literature review in 2009 and found that no significant difference in the incidence of postoperative wound infection was observed between masks groups and groups operated with no masks.
Surgeons at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, recognizing the lack of evidence supporting the use of masks, ceased requiring them in 2010 for anesthesiologists and other non-scrubbed personnel in the operating room. Our decision to no longer require routine surgical masks for personnel not scrubbed for surgery is a departure from common practice. But the evidence to support this practice does not exist, wrote Dr. Eva Sellden.
Webster et al., in 2010, reported on obstetric, gynecological, general, orthopaedic, breast and urological surgeries performed on 827 patients. All non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries, and none of the non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries. Surgical site infections occurred in 11.5% of the Mask group, and in only 9.0% of the No Mask group.
Lipp and Edwards reviewed the surgical literature in 2014 and found no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials. Vincent and Edwards updated this review in 2016 and the conclusion was the same.
Care, in a 2014 review based on four studies and 6,006 patients, wrote that none of the four studies found a difference in the number of post-operative infections whether you used a surgical mask or not.
Salassa and Swiontkowski, in 2014, investigated the necessity of scrubs, masks and head coverings in the operating room and concluded that there is no evidence that these measures reduce the prevalence of surgical site infection.
Da Zhou et al., reviewing the literature in 2015, concluded that there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination.
Schools in China are now prohibiting students from wearing masks while exercising. Why? Because it was killing them. It was depriving them of oxygen and it was killing them. At least three children died during Physical Education classes -- two of them while running on their schools track while wearing a mask. And a 26-year-old man suffered a collapsed lung after running two and a half miles while wearing a mask.
Mandating masks has not kept death rates down anywhere. The 20 U.S. states that have never ordered people to wear face masks indoors and out have dramatically lower COVID-19 death rates than the 30 states that have mandated masks. Most of the no-mask states have COVID-19 death rates below 20 per 100,000 population, and none have a death rate higher than 55. All 13 states that have death rates higher than 55, are states that have required the wearing of masks in all public places. It has not protected them.
We are living in an atmosphere of permanent illness, of meaningless separation, writes Benjamin Cherry in the Summer 2020 issue of New View magazine. A separation that is destroying lives, souls, and nature.
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* from Christopher Fry, A Sleep of Prisoners, 1951.
Arthur Firstenberg
August 11, 2020
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This article is about how the Ontario Nurses Association battled it out in court with all the experts on both sides of the issue. Hospitals were forcing the flu vaccine and masks on nurses. They proved in court that theres no proof of efficacy and won the case.

ONA Wins Second Decision on Unreasonable and Illogical Vaccinate or Mask Influenza Policies
https://www.ona.org/news-posts/ona-wins-....
Radiosity
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@Kareninca: "I asked him if he wanted me to send him information about the hazards of the vaccine, and he said no."

Better question to ask: is your Will in order?
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@Captainkidd, According to an archive search they updated the site between June 18, 2020 and July 20, 2020

https://archive.is/https://www.oralhealt....

IMO, the update is far more convincing that masks don't work than the original article.
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Karl, so I went to the CDC links you provided and focused on historic weekly deaths from all causes, since dead is dead and only being counted once regardless of a single or multiple contributing causes. Here's what the summarized weekly CDC data looks like.
 

So according to CDC's published data there were 495536 more deaths in 2020 than in all of 2019. So pre 2020 what did CDC's weekly deaths from all causes look like from 2014 to 2019?
 

Looks generally pretty consistent week over week, year over year with an upward bias due to our aging population. How does 2020 compare to the previous five years averaged weekly?
 

Per your investigation of individual causes of death coming up with..
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I can find only 120,475 more deaths that Covid-19 may have contributed

How do we reconcile 375,061 deaths outside CDC's tracked categories?

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Tickerguy
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@Finzer_52 - Lots of deaths not caused by disease, but counted as "Covid" because causality for Covid was not required to be established but IS for all other conditions.

If I wrap my motorcycle around a tree and am Covid-19 positive that COUNTS as a Covid-19 death by the CDC.

Note that from the BLS data I find a downward deviation in the expected growth rate of the population that is of approximately the same size. That's an uncorrelated data set. The SSA data appears to confirm this and that's likely very solid since <5% of Covid-related "Deaths" occurred in younger people; the median age is in fact approximately equal to that of current-person US life expectancy.

That's TWO uncorrelated data sets.

There are lots of reasons people die but that you die doesn't mean a particular thing was responsible absent causation. For example just from the start of lockdown to July I cataloged a HUGE increase in OD deaths. Those were clearly not caused by Covid, but plenty of people probably had it and thus "got counted."

I left the Covid numbers out of the analysis for a reason - the CDC deliberately changed the classification rules so that any positive test within 28 days, or post-mortem, causes it to count as "causal." That's flat-out bull****.

In short we killed a lot of people with our policies -- far more than the virus did. They're dead all right, but the virus itself isn't why they're dead. What we did in response is why they died.

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Finzer_52
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Karl, I agree all the deaths can't and shouldn't be attributed to covid... and I also ignored what the CDC says are covid deaths, but dang! I was kind of expecting to see the spike early in the year due to nursing homes being hit hard, but then drop below the 5 year average, on the theory the elderly were in their final lap of life and got called to the hereafter a bit earlier than other wise would have been the case. I was surprised to see the lines never got close the rest of the year and even accelerating apart. That's a significant bunch of folks getting their time card punched!

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@Tickerguy - Not trying to be difficult. It appears you are saying there were approximately 120K excess deaths in 2020 compared to 2019. CDC stats say there were approximately 575K excess deaths in 2020 compared to 2019. What accounts for the difference? Is the CDC doubling counting and thus falsely increasing the number of deaths?

I am not doubting you, SSA records are typically very good, person dies the death is reported to SSA. If there stats are comparable to yours then that is definitely validation for your number.

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