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Village-idjit
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@ Idiom... in the USA you do have the right to informed consent with the Moderna and Pfizer "vaccines." To quote in part from the Pfizer BioNTech FACT SHEET Instructions to Caregivers (which is a 30 page document)...

"As the vaccination provider, you must communicate to the recipient or their caregiver...

FDA has authorized the emergency use of the Pfizer Covid-19 Vaccine, which is not an FDA approved vaccine.

The recipient or their caregiver has the option to accept or refuse the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine. (my bold)

The significant known and potential risks and benefits of the Pfizer covid-19 vaccine, and the extent to which such risks and benefits are unknown."
Sloonie
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Finaltable wrote:
"There are one billion Chinese people. Half of them could die and there would still be more of them that there are Americans.

Were I the Chinese leadership I would have a secret group of researchers figuring out how to simply take out half the world population. The US and Europe dominate economically because the West benefits from the multiplier effect of a vertically integrated economy. This economy, however, relies heavily on a skilled work force. The West doesnt simply throw bodies at a task, it uses the right bodies. If any substantial portion of the skilled workers in the west die the system collapses. The Chinese can then waltz in, buy US assets with the money weve sent them and sail boats full of people to work in their newly acquired plants.

Trump had this right. Whatever other sins he may have committed, he got that China was not on our side in any matter.


I would venture to say that China already owns a heck of a lot of real estate in the West, and it isn't as much about bodies, but about arable land, good agricultural land, and waterways, both of which the US is greatly blessed with, and we have allowed our blessings to be taken for granted and seemingly forsaken 'ownership'.
Sad times, but cyclic (Fourth Turning), then add in the solar system/sun's
expected shift (already taking place) in a cycle of 12k years, and we are due. Oy!

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And we have heard in this forum about when the caregiver has refused the vaccine and the person still got the jab... (despite multiple organ shutdown and having already had covid).

What matters is what happens, not what might be in the rules.

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Sloonie
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The disparity is already evident, if one looks at the deaths (were we to believe any of it is real) between the US or Western countries, and the eastern and African ones.
Just check it out.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard....
Fewer than 10 deaths (my numbers might be old) in Shang hai, or none in Laos,
35 in VietNam, etc....
Perhaps Asians are immune? Either that, or our numbers are skewed (yes) and
theirs are as well (maybe) or ......it is genetically targeting certain groups.
???

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Idiom
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Real easy plain text.

11 Right to refuse to undergo medical treatment
Everyone has the right to refuse to undergo any medical treatment.

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/publ....

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Whistleblower from Berlin nursing home: the terrible dying after vaccination
14 Feb 2021

https://2020news.de/en/whistleblower-fro....

Excerpts:

For the first time, there is an eyewitness report from a Berlin nursing home on the situation after the vaccination. It comes from the AGAPLESION Bethanien Havelgarten retirement home in Berlin-Spandau. There, within four weeks after the first vaccination with the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine Comirnaty, eight of 31 seniors, who suffered from dementia but were in good physical condition according to their age before the vaccination, died. The first death occurred after only six days, and five other seniors died approximately 14 days after vaccination. The first symptoms of the disease had already appeared shortly after the vaccination.

The residents of this ward are very active, self defending dementia patients who are physically in good condition. They are allowed to move around the ward all day without restriction. The day before the vaccination, the 31 vaccinated persons were all in good health. A few days earlier, all had tested negative for Corona, according to the whistleblower report.

Already on the day of vaccination, four of the vaccinated seniors began to show unusual symptoms. In the evening of that day they were fatigued and extremely tired, some of them fell asleep at the table during dinner. A sharp drop in blood oxygen saturation was noted. In the further course, the leaden fatigue continued, the oxygen saturation in the blood remained insufficient, in some cases gasping breathing occurred, and fever, edema, skin rash, a yellowish-gray discoloration of the skin, and a (characteristic) muscle tremor of the upper body and arms occurred.

The seniors also showed a change in demeanor, were partially unresponsive, and refused to eat or drink. One vaccinated senior, who had previously been in great shape for her age and suffered from no serious previous illnesses, died as early as January 9, 2021, just six days after vaccination. Deaths among vaccinated seniors and senior citizens occurred on January 15, January 16, January 19 (2 deaths), January 20, February 2, and February 8, 2021. The most recently deceased senior citizen was a former opera singer who had been playing the piano the day before vaccination. The whistleblower reports on the state of health that the old gentleman regularly went jogging, danced, played music and was otherwise very dynamic and active.

Of the seniors who tested negative before vaccination, various suddenly showed a positive test result after vaccination. However, all of these seniors did not show any of the known COVID-19 symptoms, i.e., symptoms of colds such as cough, cold, loss of sense of smell and taste, etc.

On January 24, 2021, the second dose of Comirnaty was applied to 21 seniors. After this vaccination, according to the whistleblower, eleven seniors are now showing persistent extreme fatigue, partially gasping for breath, partially edema, skin rash, and the yellowish-grayish skin discoloration. As of February 10, 2021, none of the seniors who received the second dose of Comirnaty has died, but the health of some of the seniors in this group is steadily deteriorating.
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U.S. says China backed hackers who targeted COVID-19 vaccine research
The indictment said that the hackers operated both for their own profit and also for the main Chinese intelligence service, the Ministry of State Security.
July 21, 2020

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice....

**** emphasis is mine:

Does it matter that Chinas Sinovac COVID vaccine is only 50% effective?
JAN 13, 2021

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/b....

Researchers at Brazils Butantan Institute in Sao Paolo have announced that trials of the CoronaVac vaccine made by the Chinese company Sinovac show it is just over 50 percent effective overall, once very mild cases of the disease are taken into account, which is barely over the threshold needed for regulatory approval.

How does this actually compare with the results for the other vaccines, e.g., the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccines?

Well, again on face value its not as good. But remember, these vaccines all use different platforms. ****The Chinese vaccine is an inactivated virus, basically a killed COVID virus****, while the Pfizer vaccine uses mRNA and the Oxford/AstraZeneca uses a viral vector. The inactivated virus approach has been used for decades against many different diseases, so it is very well proven in the real world, but it maybe slightly weaker than the newer approaches.
Lemonaid
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As crazy as it sounds. If someone put a gun to my head and told me to get vaccinated for teh covids I'd take the chinese inactivated virus.

I don't care how effective it is. I am not concerned with this **** virus.

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Vernonb
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@flaps...

I recommend the reading of " Jerry was an Apeman."- especially for those that desire a servant class. Once the servant has the self-awareness he is a slave things can change quickly.

Nature created genetic diversity. It may be a slow process but a process that essentially guarantees species survival.

All the intelligence in the world will not save you from a virus that targets specific characteristics. Nature is a bitch when people forget she is THE ultimate ruler of the survival equation.

Then we have unintended consequences. What happens if those people become too enlighted to follow CCCP dictates?

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Tsherry
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Vernonb: there's a copy here: https://www.willmorgan.org/Robert_A_Hein....
Wifi
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Karl, on "Citizen Free Press".

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Well that explains the traffic spike...

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Tsherry
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We're quite interested in knowing how many hits you're getting there, big guy. Hopefully millions of people will start to cluebyfour in.
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Yep, it appears the site is getting hammered, you are going to wake some folks up, and educate them.

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Found a bottleneck (nothing like getting pounded to get you some good data), fixed it, and should be able to sustain about double the former hit rate. We'll see.

But yeah, those "references" are piling up fast!

Don't expect to see avatars for a while.... I suspect the code won't go back to "not defensive mode" as long as that link is present.

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Mjs-freepress.ie
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Hi lads. Michael from freepress.ie

Your article is bang on the money. People forget that the French and English ran opium into China for over 150 years, destroyed a once great nation. The sabbatean's running them have a willing ally to devastate the ranks of the round eye. These people think in centuries, just like the Vatican, and just like the Zionist.

The scenario you describe is a perfectly rational course of action for a country wanting revenge against European people's.

The leaders running things in Europe are mostly assimilated donmeh type sabbatean's, Johnson for example. They think nothing of committing evil based on the lurian kabbala they follow.

There's a new axis of evil in town, and it's as old as hills.
Toweringq
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Seems there are others who have had the same worry about the mRNA vaccine.

Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies
Wen Shi Lee, Adam K. Wheatley, Stephen J. Kent and Brandon J. DeKosky

Creole747
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Two researchers from the University of Pennsylvania filed the foundational patent in October-2012 on modified RNA. The title of this U.S. Patent is: "RNA containing modified nucleosides and methods of use thereof"

The Abstract's opening description is:

"This invention provides RNA, oligoribonucleotide, and polyribonucleotide molecules comprising pseudouridine or a modified nucleoside, gene therapy vectors comprising same, methods of synthesizing same, and methods for gene replacement, gene therapy, gene transcription silencing, and the delivery of therapeutic proteins to tissue in vivo, comprising the molecules. The present invention also provides methods of reducing the immunogenicity of RNA, oligoribonucleotide, and polyribonucleotide molecules."

Here's the link to the full patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US8278....

And don't get me started on the nanoparticle lipids. Nanoparticles can be and are being used as biosensors. The following info is straight from the Product Monograph sent to medical professionals who administer this EXPERIMENTAL PRODUCT. [NOTE: My research indicates this EXPERIMENTAL PRODUCT DOES NOT MEET THE LEGAL DEFINITION OF BEING LABELED A VACCINE.] The Product Monograph is titled: "Pfizer-Biontech-Covid-19-Vaccine-PM1-en". The following is on Page-17, Section 10:

10 CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY
10.1 Mechanism of Action
The nucleoside-modified messenger RNA in Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is formulated in lipid nanoparticles, which enable delivery of the RNA into host cells to allow expression of the SARS-CoV-2 S antigen.

To learn more about how nanoparticle biosensors can monitor our internal body functions, got to: https://profusa.com/

Just one article on Profusa's homepage is titled: PROFUSA RECEIVES CE MARK APPROVAL TO MARKET THE WIRELESS LUMEE OXYGEN PLATFORM FOR CONTINUOUS, REAL-TIME MONITORING OF TISSUE OXYGEN
Next-Generation Wireless Device May Enable Telehealth And Remote Patient Monitoring in the Future EMERYVILLE, Calif., [January 28, 2020] ...

I do not know what these people's end game is. But whatever it is, the one thing I would bet $1 on is that the end game is not to better human health. Remember George Carlins monologue on, Its one big fng club and you aint in it!!"

Cheetah9
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Hey everyone. Long time reader; first time poster. Since Creole mentioned the late great genius George Carlin, here is his bit about germs. So classic and way ahead of it's time. When this coof crap began last year I sent this to a few friends. Needless to say, I am no longer friends with them.

Enjoy and cheers everyone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43m....
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Yeah I've posted that one before.... here it is as an embed...


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@Tickerguy,
what kind of research do you have on this point?
"This is what makes the risk of what we're doing now so unique; the mutations, when they occur, make the virus STOP KILLING instead of START KILLING and as a result the weapon becomes feasible."

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Might want to let things roll around in your head before posting stuff like that here @Glassmaker.

This isn't the average "any idiot will say anything" place on the Internet.

About 2 minutes of contemplation should be sufficient; I'll give you a crack at why it works that way first, since you really ought to put the thought in yourself rather than relying on someone else.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I thought awhile before posting.

My thinking was, sure on the one hand, a mutation could get a rid of an engineered virus' ability to feed off the ADE for the specific antibodies. But what's to prevent it from mutating to become more dangerous in some other way?

If this is dummy stuff, I apologize, and you can kick me out. No cause to be rude, imho.
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The natural course of mutation @Glassmaker is for a virus to become more-transmissible and less-virulent.

Why? Simple math. A virus can't think but it only gets one crack at you among associated mutated types that your immune system still recognizes as "one". The more virulent the more and earlier other humans will shun you; this is a negative pressure on spreading. The more-transmissible the easier it spreads. The more-transmissible and less-virulent serotypes thus "win" the natural selection battle simply on the math.

Even smallpox, the scourge of the world, was of this type. Further, there was pre-existing immunity and thus partial resistance in most Europeans -- and almost ZERO in those living on the North and South American continents. Thus the first "bioweapons" (blankets.)

If you engineer a virus to "key" on a given antibody and nail anyone who has it with ADE then if you don't have that antibody you don't get sick -- or at least not very sick. Over time as it shifts its targeting will become less-precise and less virulent at the same time.

If the distinction in the antibody targeted and those in your population is significant enough the odds of said mutations shifting to that which will materially harm those with your antibody titers is very close to zero and if it happens by the time it gets there it will not be virulent enough to kill you since the laws of natural selection still apply.

On the other hand if you try to vaccinate your population against an "evil" strain you then unleash on someone else you're taking a terrible risk because if your vaccination does not RELIABLY produce sterilizing immunity you REVERSE the natural mutation chain and potentiate MORE virulent strains. This has a VERY high risk of screwing your population, which is why thus far that sort of research has been a dead end.

We have NEVER IN HUMAN HISTORY found a reliable genotype or antibody "keying" mechanism that we could target a bioweapon against. Our guys (and I assume everyone else too for obvious reasons) has been looking for that on a "forever" basis and simply never found it.

Now we've literally GIVEN it away to the world and are madly tagging our population with it.

IF an adversary figures out how to exploit that we're ****ed.

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Village-idjit
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@Glassmaker - I had kind of the same question, but I think Karl has answered it in some of his other Tickers. A virus tends to mutate toward perhaps more contagious strains, and away from more virulent / dangerous strains, as a quick acting "death sentence" virus cannot spread rapidly and would basically kill itself off.

So.. that ADE targeting bioweapon virus would kill off a very large percentage of the covid vaccinated people, and later mutations of that same virus would have little effect on non previously covid vaccinated people.
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