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Inspectrcalahan
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I read the 2008 study that Fauci produced, stating that in the Spanish Flue epidemic, most folks died from bacterial pneumonia , not the virus itself. The virus just made it easier for the bacteria to enter the lungs. That at least was my understanding.
Assuming that is correct, would not massive intravenous antibiotics stop the deaths ? I did see where some of the ivermectin treatment protocols included doxycycline , but others did not.
This seems so obvious, I must be missing something.
Wayiwalk
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Seems like we've shifted from lies about what is a good food diet (carbs) that end up getting you fat and creating an cash flow from the treatment of that, to now a "vaccine" that may make you vulnerable to severe illness that will require expensive treatments or more vaccines....just another cash cow and so what if the population can die from it smiley

You know the propaganda machine is going strong when you have folks shrilly screaming about the importance of getting the shot. Sheesh.

Unrelated. I watched Dr Zhivago this weekend. Beautiful quip by the Victor character (Rod Steiger) to Lara (Julie Christie) early in the movie about attending a workers protest, he says to her, "You're not going to this PEACEFUL PROTEST!"

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@Inspectrcalahan - Undoubtedly with the Spanish Flu mask mandates made it WORSE, since bacteria are a complete organism and thus they will flourish on a mask. Inhale THAT while you're compromised and you are very likely to be ****ed.

There were no antibiotics at the time, so if you got a systemic bacterial infection you were screwed.

Covid-19, however, when it kills appears to kill most of the time via immune dysregulation and specifically via thrombotic activity in the lungs. This is why ventilators don't work; no gas exchange in the lungs plus the risk of physical damage (always present with a vent) = death.

But - we know how to detect that and are deliberately not doing it. Specifically, we've known since March/April of last year that d-Dimer is elevated with troponin levels are normal in these persons who are getting hammered in this way. Troponins are a marker for cardiac damage so when absent but d-Dimer is elevated that points directly to this problem.

We also know how to limit that risk early; most people can (and arguably probably should) take mild anti-coagulants (e.g. an aspirin a day) at the outset of Covid assuming they do not have a condition that makes that unwise (e.g. ulcers, etc.) There was some concern early on that because these drugs (and many high blood pressure medications) interact with ACE2 they might be dangerous. That was disproved by late spring. And further, we know how to treat clotting disorders in the hospital and, from what I can tell, in most places we're not doing THAT either. FLCCC has the protocol for it and, from the evidence, it WORKS. No, not 100% of the time, but the differences are impressive.

We ALSO know that steroids (which are immune suppressants) are useful BUT timing-dependent. You DO NOT want to use them while viral replication is going on as that's bad, but AFTER that they're useful. Immune modulators on the other hand do not appear to have a potentiating problem early on -- Ivermectin is in this group, and in fact it appears to be effective throughout the disease course, which is very useful.

We have learned a LOT but we're using damn little of that knowledge on the ground today. The doctors who ARE using it are seeing wildly-different (lower) hospital admission rates; the strategies vary somewhat, but all are following what they see in clinical use, where the so-called "official recommendation" REMAINS "do nothing until you can't breathe."

That's flat-out bull**** and is killing people.

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Frat
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This was and is stupid and if we lose the bet there will be literally nothing we can do about it other than suck it up and watch the worldwide population get nailed to whatever degree occurs.


I now consider this to be a feature, not a bug.

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We're ****ed. There will be no happy ending here; there is no going back to 'normal.'. There are only bad outcomes and worse outcomes. And we don't get to choose those, either.
Vernonb
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One of worst case scenarios I see is health care workers taking the mRNA vaccine and become super spreaders of the virus.

Vaccinating health care workers with non-sterilizing vaccines in this fashion should be illegal due to the public health concern. At least if we knew they were sick we could temporarily quarantine them.

Now imagine bringing that virus home to family members. The first born child plague would only seem to be a friendly nightmare out Egypt in the modern scenario.



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Tickerguy
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@Vernonb - Yep.

That's exactly how you kill EVERYONE in a nursing home.

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Reformedhippy
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It is very telling how much more seriously we regard the well being of our animals - both livestock and pets.

Being new-ish to raising pigs and living in the Midwest, I've learned that I am prohibited from working at a commercial pig farm due to risk of cross contamination with no option to "prove" that my pigs are healthy. Our pig vet, who has a contract with a commercial pig operation, is prohibited from seeing other pigs 3 days before or after his commercial appointments.

A current Vet Assistant Class textbook states:

Living under or close to powerlines or other magnetic fields is considered to increase the instance of lymphoma in dogs.

Vaccinosis, a term that encompasses any condition seen after vaccine administration, is potentially linked to skin allergies, asthma, kidney disease, destruction of red blood cells, and the initiation of cancer, and is definitely linked to feline fibrosarcomas. Most vets will limit vaccine administration specific to the pet's lifestyle and exposure risk.

Cats and dogs with diabetes or cancer should be fed a high-protein, high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet (it is believed that carbs are the preferred energy source for cancer cells).

Ivermectin is considered safe enough to administer as a trial by medication for suspected scabies.

An animal with a terminal and/or cost prohibitive and/or painful condition thought to outweigh quality of life is routinely euthanized quickly, painlessly, and affordably with a tranquilizer and pentobarbital.

Mika813
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I just ordered a full sized windows sticker for the back of my Van that says
"COVID-1984 Vaccine
Molon Labe"

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Nenadcuic
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Karl, I wish you and others would define your abbreviations. You either assume others know what you are talking about of don't care. Like what is OPV ? It will not take up much digital space to spell out the word - if that is the problem, digital cost.
Tickerguy
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IPV = Injected polio vaccine (a killed virus)
OPV = Oral polio vaccine (an attenuated virus)

OPV occasionally reverts and thus produces ACTUAL POLIO. That's bad, obviously. But it also produces sterilizing immunity. IPV cannot cause actual polio as it is a killed virus, but DOES NOT produce sterilizing immunity -- specifically you can still get AND SHED the virus through your intestinal tract. This means that IF there is circulating polio IPV *CAN* potentiate worse strains via adverse selection where OPV cannot.

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Vernonb
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Yes and airlines or governments attempting to force non-sterilizing vaccines on passengers to fly have essentially defeated the entire purpose of any meaningful containment.

So what do they do if passenger tests positive but has proof of the vaccine? And isn't this vaccine now causing positives triggers to show up in these tests?

Are they true carriers or simply victims of a testing protocol?

Is it these " experts " can't think one step ahead regarding consequences or it they just don't truly give a damn?

I find all of this suspicious.








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Nenadcuic
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Inspectrcalahan
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Market-Ticker.org 2-8-2021 I read the 2008 study that Fauci produced, stating that in the Spanish Flue epidemic, most folks died from bacterial pneumonia , not the virus itself. The virus just made it easier for the bacteria to enter the lungs. That at least was my understanding.

Assuming that is correct, would not massive intravenous antibiotics stop the deaths ? I did see where some of the ivermectin treatment protocols included doxycycline , but others did not. This seems so obvious, I must be missing something.

My Reply: That is right. On a youtube video I watch several months ago, (about 45 minutes) researchers in Bangladesh and Calcutta include doxycycline in the protocols (recommended treatments) along with ivermectin, and D3, et.al. The FLCCC Alliance recommends the supplement QUERCETIN, Powerful Immune & Respiratory Support) in as much as MDs wont give you doxycycline (which is also available for pets but requires an Rx). Most wont even give you ivermectin which is available by prescription in 3mg doses. Their philosophy is if you are not part of the medical guild statyout! The most important supplement FLCCC recommended was the ivermectin. Success rate was almost 100%.
There is also a short video available on youtube which describes Indias experience with various treatments for Covid-19. Here is the part that caught my attention having visited India several times, especially the state of Bihar.
India selected two states in which they treated Covid-19 patients exclusively with Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine (brand name in U.S. Plaquenil). These two state were Bihar, and I believe Uttar Pradesh. The total population of these two states is much greater than all of the U.S.
The result was that these two states had the lowest mortality rate in entire India. And the ivermectin treated patients survival rate was much higher than the hydroxychloroquine patients treated. In other words, both these treatments worked.
I will add this: India, with 1 billion, 200 million and counting has a significantly lower death rate from Covid-19 than the U.S. or Europe. In addition, India has an active program of distribution of drugs and treatment intervention to poor 3rd world countries for free. This is not mentioned in the main stream media but I can post the link if anyone cares.
India has also developed three (3) vaccines which they are providing for free to their population and those countries in which they are providing aid.
Captainkidd
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Vernonb:
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Is it these " experts " can't think one step ahead regarding consequences or it they just don't truly give a damn?


My money is on "B".....
And I'd bet it all.

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Burya_rubenstein
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Up until now, though I plan not to take the Vaccine for myself, I've wanted everyone who wants the shot to be able to get it. I've wanted vaccine epipens set out in punch bowls in front of city halls, schools, stores, churches, and every other public-gathering place, dropped from helicopters over crowds, and blasted out by mail like America Online CDs.

Now I'm not so sure.

If what you say in Response #0 is true, the very existence of the vaccine may have to be opposed! And judging from the people who are still in communication with me, that's likely to require killing at least the same number of people as the non-sterilizing vaccine, only with bullets instead of Germs.

Otherwise I would think even those who don't take the Jab get the 10/100 or 30/100 death risk.

Jesjohn94
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Right now there are 2 things you can bet your life on.

1) No government will collect or report any negative events for any of the COVID19 vaccines.
2) No MSM will investigate or report any negative impacts for any of the COVID19 vaccines.
Step55
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Philip Njemanze, a medical doctor and research professor of neuroscience (Nigeria)

The Pfizer vaccine is not a vaccine, it is a misnomer to say it is a vaccine, it is a genetic device."
Clyde
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Israel treatment on the way. Israel seems to to do great research, they are one of the best at cancer research.

https://www.israel21c.org/has-israel-jus....


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Reformedhippy
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You don't say...
zerohedge.com/markets/vaccines-or-not-scientists-now-believe-covid-here-stay
Tickerguy
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No kidding? You mean it's going to be a coronavirus?

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Loonster
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Extremely large collection of anecdotal COVID vaccine experiences: https://prezi.com/i/gw4zv2c_cwrb/anecdot....

And of course, most of it is unverified.
Kikknback
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Fantastic write up Karl.

The issue here is, the near entirety of the public can not comprehend the cold hard facts you fully explained. The problem is in order to reach the minds of the people, it needs to be marketed in a short and concise manner. The only way I know to achieve it is pushing only one simple fact that can not be disputed.

In marketing, the basic principles have to be used here, Less is More and Keep it Short & Simple (KISS).


GENOCIDE OF AMERICANS

1 - The Vaccines are ILLEGAL.

2 - The Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) that granted development of vaccines from the government is ILLEGAL, because two other proven medications, Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, were available which renders the (EUA) NULL and VOID.

3 - The administering of the vaccines is ILLEGAL being no legal (EUA) is in place.

4 - There is a HIGH RISK OF DEATH after receiving the vaccines, due to the fact normal vaccine testing protocols, to ensure safety in humans, were REMOVED.

5 The above is what GENOCIDE looks like.


Those five points are all you need to ram the truth down every breathing citizen's throat.

The entirety of the government, Mass Media, and the Industrial-Medical Complex are guilty of a Crimes Against Humanity, for lying to the public, and forcing this ILLEGAL vaccine onto the citizens.

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Scottj175
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And if we get a horrific negative even from the vaccines?

More power, less freedom! At least that's what the central planning types think.
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Well that all depends @Scottj175.

Upsetting things to the point that the power and water don't work tends to **** with everyone's plans -- even if you're Drax.

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Scottj175
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@Tickerguy you and your readership are realists. I think the "elites" calling the shots on the panic porn still think they can sit in some fortified enclave while the "lesser" people like us just die off in the chaos.

I know that sounds like complete sci-fi villain nonsense but it seems to be the only logical explanation for the risks they're taking.
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Well they may think that but if they do then they certainly didn't get their money and power by being smart.

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