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2019-08-10 09:47 by Karl Denninger
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So Much For 24x7 Suicide Watch
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How does someone in jail, on suicide watch after trying to commit suicide once, manage to commit suicide?

They don't.  Someone killed them or someone else was bribed or otherwise "engaged" to not care so they could be "encouraged" to commit suicide.

I give you.... Mr. Epstein.

Tell me again why we allegedly have a "rule of law"?

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Tsherry
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Q. How much is it worth to someone to facilitate the death of someone else under your watch?

A. Your life, and the lives of your entire family?


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Attilahooper
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That would do it Tsherry.

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A rather obvious case of Arkancide. Nobody survives long if they are a threat to the Clintons.
Vernonb
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I knew this was coming. If a person can miss a suicide under surveillance then you know it was not likely suicide.

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Happytrails
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I am amazed he lived this long. How can anyone really think it was suicide? True though that someone may have been forced to look the other way.
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One day after docs released????
Just enough of them for whomever wanted whomever in them in a vise then toss the rest?

This will be old news in 3 days... nothing to see here

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Themortgagedude
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I hope he had a deadman switch. Would be the funniest thing ever if video dropped to the world in a week naming everyone and claiming he would have never killed himself.

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I'm so cynical at this point, that even letting him have the opportunity to commit suicide or sending someone in to kill him isn't even what I'm thinking happened. My most cynical thought is "They" could just announce his death and spirit him away to live his life quietly and comfortably anywhere in the world. A reward for services rendered for the intelligence agencies.
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It was bound to happen, eventually.

People like Epstein do not just commit suicide. They tend to be narcissistic and want to live forever. They are driven by desire that they are better, smarter and more capable than everyone else and willingly taking their own life if not an option.

Even though being forced to end his own life is an option, I find it hard to believe Epstein loved anything more than himself. So the old: "If you don't end your life by mm/dd/yy we will kill your Whoever" trick wouldn't work to well on him.

Everyone knew he was a pedophile before his arrest and that didn't stop him. So I doubt he was wallowing in shame (Besides shame isn't big on the traits of a narcissists)

He was on suicide watch prior to his first attempt, after that everything that could have assisted him in taking his own life should have been removed from within his cell. He would have been on watch 24x7 and even the most determined suicidal person will exhibit anxiety leading up to their action. So he would have at a bare minimum looked more focused for a few minutes before acting, giving the guards time to take action.

Unless your trauma is intense and overwhelming most people take at least 4-5 minutes to die. So even if there is 15 minutes between views of his cell, he has to 1) Make a device that will kill him (Bed sheets for a noose, filed down plastic tooth brush to slit his wrists) 2) Work up the wherewithal, which would have been visible even to the dumbest security guard 3) Put himself into position to take action(tied the bed sheets, Stabbed himself, taken pills, slit his wrists) and let that action come to fruition - BEFORE the next visual check.

Although I did read that Chelsea Clinton denied every know him, so his heart might have been broken and I believe just about anything is possible. But color me skeptical on this being an actual suicide.
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years ago the famous Mayflower Madam and others like her avoided more severe prosecution if any by their black books being well hidden and staying that way. this was openly discussed in the media and in respected publications. her girls also never opened their mouths regarding client identities. many of these women moved on to really great careers and lives.

perhaps he did not guard information as thoroughly. once one starts releasing names, everyone else on the list wonders when he is next. when dealing with underage, unsophisticated and emotionally challenged prostitutes, otherwise known as ****ed up, there is less possible discretion. they have not much personal dignity to lose.

or perhaps he lived high and hard and figured time to give it up and die.

we will never know for sure how much of either is at play, but it will feed speculation. some people will be very relieved that he is gone, more fuel for speculation.

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Put another notch on the Clinton death belt...

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The sad thing is most people will just say "Good riddance" to Epstein and move on to the next entertaining non-news story - But there are too many well connected pedophiles caught up in this, making this REAL news.

Epstein might be dead, but once again it is justice that was killed.
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So the crap that would have come out was so bad that it's still better to confirm our worst thoughts by killing him rather than detail them in court.
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If he is truly dead. So much money and so many payoffs.

If he is dead my bets are more on Saudis or whoever his handlers actually were that ran the blackmail operations. Can't have the masters of the operation compromised.

A lot of info in those sealed documents that were opened. Those people are toast regardless and we still have the pilots that can testify as to presence. Then we have others that may have been on the plane or at the island or other locations with these perverts. This didn't seem to be a discrete operation but a party event.

The loose piece to the link upward to who actually ran the operation above Epstein was Epstein. Is the link broken? This would be the most advantageous point to cut the link by his death. It also keeps the handlers in some control of the blackmail operations for those that are not totally compromised.

So where does it go from here as to the real hostile foreign governmental collusion attempting to compromise the USA?

Wonder how many other suicides we hear about from that list of "scumbags."



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1. Karl, are we now allowed to engage in hypotheses about conspiracies?

2. Interesting that the Democrats and the media have had, front and center, the story about "deep fake" videos. I'm sure Epstein has given filmed testimony. Karl, is their a sure-fire way, from a technical standpoint, to tell if a video is a deep fake?
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Makes you wonder who is pulling the strings! They don't give a ****, this is in your face, don't **** with us!


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Thelazer
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Release the video tape, there should have been cameras on him 24/7 on suicide watch... well, where's the tape?
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@Mangymutt -- narcissists do have shame. what they do not have is guilt. the difference is that they care about whether people's perception of them fits their desired narrative. guilt is the internal check on oneself and feeling bad for knowing that one did wrong. they also kill themselves in epic form, family eliminators, mass killing events where they die in the act (see the recent and historical mass shooting events), murder/suicide involving people close to them. they are more known for being killers through covert means such as poisoning often over time. yes, they prefer to live, but once the narrative is lost they are deadly serious about taking others with them. perhaps his version will be some sort of dead man switch, however being a narcissist he probably never contemplated his ultimate end.

regarding him being so valuable or loyal that he is covertly spirited away. no one, no matter how useful, loyal or loved is indispensable in covert operations. if he was a part of such, his end is a cost of doing business. BTW he is not the type other than to be exploited after he got started and established in these endeavors, thus even less worth saving. covert operations do not hire, train or recruit pathological narcissists.

BTW if one is ever dealing with a narcissist and not feeling right or plagued by health issues, arrange some sort of extended separation from the aggressor. if you feel better there is a strong chance that you were being slowly poisoned. this is why guys like this often control people with drugs and formerly beautiful women in their employ do not age well. sometimes it is not even addictive drugs, but compounds to actually make them sick over time. sick people are vulnerable and often do not leave what they see as secure situations or their only options. the first thing that i would ask any women who were lost souls that he discovered was whether they got sick and/or developed chronic health problems shortly after living under his control or early in their initial meetings with him or his woman.

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Makes one wonder what will happen to all those properties he owned, and who he mentioned in his will. "Under new management(?)" Ms. Maxwell is a likely prospect, but she has been keeping her distance and then some I'm sure, since his arrest July 23.

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Where's Ghislaine?

She should avoid yachting.

The Marcinkova girl should avoid flying.

What am I saying? They'll accidentally trip in their closets onto conveniently placed nooses. How convenient.
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That dude was cut off from a steady supply of young girls. He probably wanted to die and was allowed to kill himself.

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I thought this would shake out one of two ways:

Either he would be able to get to the right people, and cop a plea that enabled them to selectively destroy their opposition, or he would be found dead in his cell because what he did runs so deep, it threatens the very foundation of the base of power and wealth of those who run this rock.

There's no deadman's switch. Even if there was, anyone and everyone trying to bring anything to light would be exterminated immediately. They were sure of that before they closed the book on Jeffy.
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It's like they're not even trying to be subtle anymore. How much more obvious can "suicide with help" be than a very high profile prisoner on suicide watch hanging himself?

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Does Epstein now require a regular quick Jewish burial like Osama required a Muslim burial? Or like how the 9/11 debris needed to be quickly carted away on trucks with G.P.S. trackers and the steel had to be sent to China for scrapping. How they swoop in and despatch the evidence will tell us alot.
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