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2019-08-09 09:45 by Karl Denninger
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This "persuasion" nonsense, which certain people have made a lot of hay over, is just that.

Nonsense.

According to the Gallup poll, 9 in 10 Americans want stronger background checks to buy a gun, while 6 in 10 want stronger gun control. And yet, only 1 in 10 believe that Congress is going to do anything to make those changes.

What "stronger" background checks?  NICS already applies to virtually all firearm transactions.  Any transaction with a person who sells, transfers, or otherwise handles firearms as a business is covered.  The sole exception is persons disposing of their personal firearms where interstate commerce is not implicated and thus is not under federal regulation.

That is, if I own a pistol and wish to sell it, I can do so to anyone who is not a prohibited person provided they live in my state.  If they don't live in my state (and it's on me to check via something like an actual driver license and to make reasonable inquiry regarding whether they're a prohibited person) then the transaction implicates interstate commerce and I cannot do it, or I will go to jail.  If I knowingly transfer a weapon to someone who is a prohibited person and they (or anyone downstream of them) gets caught with it I also go to jail.  If I make any sort of business out of this, that is, I regularly buy and sell guns, then I'm required to register under the FFL regulations and every transaction must go through NICS.  Yes, even at gun shows.  Go to one sometime; there are guns sold there (duh) and you'll see a lot of BATFE Form 4473s being filled out and called in.

"Strengthening background checks" is a chimera and a fraud.  Many if not all of the "proposals" that have been fronted would make it a felony for me to go to a gun range with 4 or 5 of my firearms (in other words, I'd like to shoot more than one gun today at a range, in a safe manner) and while there I allow someone else who is at the range to fire one of my weapons.  Legally, that's a "transfer."  Likewise, if I am shooting at home (which I can do in many places in a completely safe and legal fashion) and one of my friends who is at the house asks to fire one of my weapons, I'm instantly a felon.  Or, for that matter, if I go on a week-long hunting trip for deer, bring two rifles and my buddy's rifle breaks a firing pin, making it worthless, I cannot let him use my other gun because he didn't, at that moment, pass a background check and that is, legally, a transfer.

Further, let's assume that I wish to give my daughter, who is a legal adult, a gun for her birthday.  She would like to have said gun.  She's not a felon and neither am I.  It would be illegal for me to do that and I could go to prison for 10 years if I did it anyway.

Here’s another: “I understand that the Second Amendment and gun ownership are important to you, and you don’t want to lose that. I also know you are as concerned about these tragic shootings as I am. How can we work together to keep Americans safe without losing our liberty?”

You can stop focusing on guns.

The 2nd Amendment is not a suggestion.  It is the final check and balance on a tyrannical government.  It has been confirmed by the US Supreme Court (not that it needed to be, given the history at Concord specifically) that the right to keep and bear arms preexists government.  That is, government never had anything to grant as a "right" in this regard; all persons have the right to keep and bear weapons for the purpose of protecting their lives and property from any and all who would take same without just cause, including SPECIFICALLY but not limited to agents of the government.

Indeed it was agents of the government who tried to take property at Concord -- the powder and ball owned by the colonists.  The Redcoats came with guns to seize property, with the clear threat of shooting anyone who disagreed.  The colonists refused to turn said property over and when the Redcoats would not depart in peace the Colonists shot them.

They had every right to do so at the time and, should such a circumstance arise again the people have every right to do so again.

The 2nd Amendment codified that which was lawful then and it is lawful now because rights do not come from Government; they preexist government.  The Government may well disagree but it doesn't matter if they disagree because this right, as the US Supreme Court has agreed, preexists government.  It therefore does not matter if you agree, if I agree, if the government agrees, if Democrats agree or Republicans agree.  The percentage of voters or citizens who agree is irrelevant.  The right to keep and bear arms is personal, it is singular within each of us and no lawful, Constitutional government may infringe on it.  Period.

In a nutshell what Lee demands is impossible.  Her demand is the position of a petulant child who insists on a pony while living in a suburban subdivision on a half-acre lot with nowhere to keep, feed and groom same.

Imagine a world with no weapon of war in the wrong hands.

It can happen. And it starts with empathy.

No, it can't happen.

First, although said restrictions are blatantly unconstitutional and should have resulted in a civil war decades ago there are no "weapons of war" in civilian hands with very, very few exceptions.  Semi-automatic weapons are not "weapons of war" unless you are including semi-automatic pistols which are in the hands of millions of Americans and virtually every cop, along with shotguns who are in the hands of millions more.  The former is commonly issued to military members as their final, last backup weapon and the latter was bought in the form of short-barreled shotguns for the use in Trench Warfare in WWI.  The US Government, by the way, lied about that during the Miller case at the Supreme Court.

Common semi-automatic rifles are not issued to military members.  The weapons purchased by the millions and in the hands of civilians look like "weapons of war" but are not.  They are no more "weapons of war" than are airsoft guns that fire little rubber balls propelled by CO2, are legally not firearms at all and in fact don't put holes in things when fired but which look like, upon a casual glance, an M-16.

Second, it is literally impossible to prevent a person who is walking free in America from acquiring a weapon.  He can buy a gun from a drug dealer or other criminal who, by virtue of his or her criminal status, cannot purchase said firearm in a store.  Most of those are eventually traced to a theft or cross-border import, much as we allow illegal invaders into this nation, of some sort.  He can break into a home or business and steal it.  Many shooters have done exactly that, including mass-shooters.

The facts are that the majority of crime guns are not purchased legally.

Third, there are many more weapons that can be used to commit mass-murder than a gun.  We just had a nutbag in California commit mass-murder with a knife.  A man in Japan committed mass-murder worse that either Dayton or El Paso recently with a can of gasoline.  Others have, in the recent past, committed mass murder with an SUV, a delivery truck or an improvised bomb.

Fourth, while you were screaming about Dayton and El Paso even more people were shot in Chicago over the same weekend.  By people with guns.  Not one of them was a "scary-looking" weapon that looked like but was not a "weapon of war."  They were shot with guns similar or identical to those carried by the police.  Are you going to ban police weapons too or is the reason you're not talking about that the fact that nearly all of those shootings were committed by black or Hispanic people and their victims were also black or Hispanic?

Clearly, the issue is the people who wish to commit mass-murder.  In the context of the sort of mass-murders you're talking about here these people were almost-certainly able to be, had the police and government done their job, institutionalized. The same is true for the most-recent mass school shooter in Florida.  These are people who have demonstrated prior criminal insanity.  The Dayton shooter had a rape and hit list.  The Florida school shooter had more than two dozen separate law enforcement "contacts" prior to the event and was known to have mental stability issues.

You are in fact excusing the willful and intentional malfeasance of law enforcement who had every ability under existing law to interdict these acts by institutionalizing the criminally insane before they could carry out said acts of mass-murder and did not do so.

Institutionalizing people due to mental instability is serious business and comes with serious due process protections.  It damn well should.  You are taking someone's freedom, just as you do when you put them in jail.  Very few mentally ill people are dangerous to others but those who are we can, under existing law, institutionalize.

By definition a person who is institutionalized cannot commit mass murder in a school, a WalMart or a nightclub district.

If you want actual answers that's how you find them.

But you don't want that Lee.  You instead want to remove the ability of the people of this nation to stop tyranny.  At the same time people on your side of the political aisle are literally threatening to put people in death camps who disagree with you politically.

The 2nd Amendment exists for the explicit purpose of making such threats empty and, if the persons making said threats ever demonstrate intent to carry them out, to stop them from doing so right here, right now, individually.

So no, we cannot have a discussion about guns and further restricting them.  In fact all laws contrary to the 2nd Amendment must be repealed right now because until and unless we institutionalize all the crazies who would commit mass-murder the only thing that a person under assault by a nutjob with a firearm has a reasonable chance of succeeding with in self-defense is a gun and the more non-crazy people have them on their person the higher the probability that you, and everyone else who is not crazy, survives such an incident.  Were I in that WalMart in El Paso, and were I armed and had a clean shot at said jackass that I judged I could take without hitting innocent people by mistake I would have dropped him.

No, that would not make me a hero either; shooting someone in self-defense is not heroic, it's an act of self-preservation taken in the gravest extreme that, quite-sadly, becomes on rare occasion a necessary act.  Indeed one of the survivors of that assault has lamented that she did not have her gun with her that day; the one thing she wanted at that moment was in fact A GUN.

What we can have is a discussion about institutionalizing people who, after due process of law, are demonstrated to be dangerous due to mental illness or defect to others.  We can have that debate, we can actually do that today under existing law (e.g. Florida's "Baker Act") and, if necessary, we can debate, discuss and pass enhancements to same.

Let's see if you're actually serious about improving public safety -- or whether you're in fact a tyrant.

Your move.

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Had the people at Lexington and Concord peacefully surrendered their arms to King George, ALL current presidential candidates from the duopoly party would be bowing and curtseying to the queen of England. Now they only bow to Israel, big pharma, the medical/insurance cartel, and the defense/empire building establishment.
How many law enforcement people will refuse gun confiscation duties rather than have the shoot me now target pinned to their and their families backs? I believe that too many in law enforcement have an authoritarian mindset and it will require some casualties to end any confiscation efforts.
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Honestly given the crap city murder clearance rate its not like there's decent data to work background checks from anyway.

If 90% of murder cases are still open, that's 90% of 'felons' that aren't felons yet.

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I am a bit surprised by this one. I do not follow the guy closely though.

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@Ingar "How many law enforcement people will refuse gun confiscation duties"

I've thought about this a lot knowing that compliance has failed in NY and NZ. I think they will just demand your guns by mail and if you do not comply they will freeze your financial assets. So... you can have all the guns you want living under a bridge. Of course some will choose to show up with said guns at police stations or banks playing further into a move for total ban.
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@Tinman -- They haven't done it in NY or CT. The reason is obvious -- the last sentence. They know damn well some percentage of those who they tried that with wouldn't show up at the cop shop -- they'd just look for a parked cop car in the driveway, wait until it leaves, and then burn the house with everyone in said cop's family inside.

Or worse.

There's not **** they could do to prevent it either; there are not enough cops to provide 24x7 security, never mind that an effective zero of those families would put up with living in a "security bubble", much as the President does. The entire state would turn into a free-fire zone within hours of the first mass-raids or financial cut-offs.

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For once the "3-D chess" theory might hold up. Actually not but in typical Trump style, he's just winging out a meaningless promise that will get whittled down to nothing. His "base" would be freaking out right now but he actually has them used to this kind of bait and switch routine. It's one redeeming aspect to his office: the guy is unpredictable. Predictably.

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@Hot-dog-guy -- Nope. It's all bull****.

The "Red Flag" nonsense is flatly unconstitutional. If someone is dangerous enough to others to justify that then they're dangerous enough to institutionalize. Never mind the VA sending roughly 100,000 formerly-deployed soldiers identities into NICS as "compromised" without evidence or due process of law, which is blatantly illegal too (their "claim" is that PTSD is sufficient. No it isn't under the law, but they don't care.)

You're free, if you wish, to sit back while yet ANOTHER chunk is taken out of the Constitution -- just like everyone else does. As I said the other day only an organic, uncoordinated rising of a significant but small (e.g. 3%) percentage of the people demanding this garbage end and be reversed can work. Any attempt to organize will be infiltrated and either diluted if it can be or the organizers will be set up or framed for something allowing them to be arrested and carted off. That's what happened with the Tea Party and Occupy; both were diluted to worthlessness within months before anything effective could happen. Myriad others who have had less-than-Constitutional ideas of their own (let's face it, blowing **** up isn't exactly what law-abiding people have in mind) were infiltrated and "led" to do something that really is a felony.

EVERY thing you do nowdays is tracked and known by "them." All of it. Buy gas, they got a camera to stop theft of gasoline, you're tracked. Even if you pay cash. Buy a beer, tracked. Use a credit card, tracked. Use the Internet, tracked. Send or receive an email, tracked. Think you're "covering yourself" with a "burner phone", no you're not as your mug will show up on a camera and once it does everything forward and backward from there is re-associated with you. It is essentially impossible to live with ANY association with and around society, no matter how fleeting and basic, and evade that. There's a ******ned camera on every ****ing lightpole and traffic signal on every highway everywhere at this point and your vehicle has at least one license plate and said camera can take your picture through the windshield. There are also multiple cameras in most if not all businesses, most of them are cloud-enabled and thus whether said business voluntarily lets "them" into said stream or not RTSP data streams have unencrypted payloads and as a result THEY are copying and using EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM WITH OR WITHOUT SAID BUSINESS BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN "SHARING" SAME.

Think I'm full of ****? Why do you think I took all the time I did to write HomeDaemon in such a way that the goons CAN'T do that with cameras? The data NEVER LEAVES YOUR HOUSE until it is wrapped in a PFS/TLS-secured package they CANNOT break. End of problem, BUT exactly ZERO commercial systems do this out-of-the-box. So no, the swine cannot watch MY cameras (and they, like most of the rest, have MICROPHONES in them too) -- but they can watch all the rest of them!

The only means to evade this sort of surveillance that is effective is to not evade it because you don't care. That is, the response is organic, it's unorganized, it's is too large to be corralled and there's no "head" to chop off or co-opt. It's also focused enough and thus the demands are cohesive enough that they're POSSIBLE for the government to meet. That's the lesson of Hong Kong. They CAN'T decapitate the movement there because there is no head and the basic demand is that the leadership step down and LEAVE. In addition they're focusing their ire on the government and its facilities which does NOT******off the rest of the population which is large enough to stomp them (note that they're NOT looting and burning shops, etc.)

Now THEY (the government) are in the position of swatting at individual hornets that have all come out of the nest and have one singular view -- the government dudes are invaders, their facilities are fair targets for desecration or worse and said government must cut that **** out and leave everyone alone. Yes, you can swat and kill one hornet, but five more arrive as soon as you do that and sting you. You swat at one and FIVE MORE show up because you just killed or injured someone's DAD or CHILD. You can do something like grab a can of hornet spray, hide behind a wall and kill them ALL but that's the only way to stop it and IF you do that the entire world SEES you do it, you can't hide what you did, and the consequences are likely to be severe, including quite-possibly the collapse of your entire government and financial system.

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EVERY thing you do nowdays is tracked and known by "them." All of it. Buy gas, they got a camera to stop theft of gasoline, you're tracked. Even if you pay cash. Buy a beer, tracked. Use a credit card, tracked. Use the Internet, tracked. Send or receive an email, tracked. Think you're "covering yourself" with a "burner phone", no you're not as your mug will show up on a camera and once it does everything forward and backward from there is re-associated with you. It is essentially impossible to live with ANY association with and around society, no matter how fleeting and basic, and evade that. There's a ******ned camera on every ****ing lightpole and traffic signal on every highway everywhere at this point and your vehicle has at least one license plate and said camera can take your picture through the windshield. There are also multiple cameras in most if not all businesses, most of them are cloud-enabled and thus whether said business voluntarily lets "them" into said stream or not RTSP data streams have unencrypted payloads and as a result THEY are copying and using EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM WITH OR WITHOUT SAID BUSINESS BEING ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN "SHARING" SAME.


Yep!

Then there are fools that have Alexa, and Echo devices, in there most private areas, or so they think!


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To even think that these recent shootings should reactivate gun control is insane. The idiot in Ohio was obviously deranged and an Antifa. They are naturally violent and add in the SSRI drugs, then they become really violent.
The dude in El Paso was a crisis actor. There are several witnesses that reported multiple men with guns and that information disappeared very quickly. The manifesto was BS and there were several reports that the kid was autistic making it very unlikely that he wrote it.
It seems that every one of these shootings are orchestrated by someone or some group. The evidence seems to disappear shortly after each shooting and we never hear what really happened or who was involved. I would love to see if the cameras were working in Walmart that day and what happened to the footage. Bet the FBI is in the middle of this one too. Same folks that tried a coup on Trump are managing these shootings.
Anyone that is willing to give up their most important right under the Constitution to be politically correct is a fool. Giving the government the power to enslave you won't be pleasant. Trump has destroyed his chance of reelection by even considering a red flag law. How do you think this country will look like with the left running it and you disarmed?
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The only stronger check I would like is the requirement that the States not drag their asses updating their warrant and arrest records.

'Background Checks' are worthless if the municipalities, counties and States don't bother to update their records.
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NICS is unconstitutional

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If we had an Alexa I would make my wife exclaim, honey I couldnt live without your 8-inch ____ every time we had relations.

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Tickerguy: well, I can't really disagree with that point. I'm just saying if we are going to pretend like the system actually is...it would be nice if it actually worked.

I can order anything in real-time but can't find out warrant and background checks in real time. As it stands now it is less than worthless if a State doesn't update its records for months or years.

But I'll concede the point.
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Again @Amused, if I'm too dangerous to have a firearm I'm too dangerous to have a knife, a gallon can of gasoline, an SUV, a rental truck or car, etc.

There's only one answer to that and it's to lock up the people who are too dangerous. There's already a process to do this, either for criminal acts or, in certain cases such as mental derangement, on the basis of demonstrated mental incapacity in certain very-specific instances.

MOST instances of mental incapacity do not rise to that level. I know it's unpopular but it's my position that nobody has the right to prevent by force a mentally ill person from taking their own life. We should do what we can short of force to encourage them not to do it, but the application of FORCE is a remedy that in any just society has a VERY high bar prior to its application being justified, and IMHO that bar is met only at the point of intentional or grossly-negligent harm to others, not to oneself.

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If everything in our lives is recorded, how come the murder clearance rate is so low? How come a dumb guy can rob dozens of banks and get away with it for years? The few idiots who get caught were usually bragging about it on social media.

You can leave your phone at home. Wear a fake beard, wig and fat suite. Steal license plates. Communicate over blogger comment sections in code. Now I'm being smarter than the average crook who never gets caught.

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@Stee_man -- They CAN clear those murders, they DON'T WANT to clear them.

It takes WORK to clear them.

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The red flag laws are a joke, just like the vetting of migrants is a joke. Even if records and background checks were perfect, are the cops mind readers? Of course not. Even severely mentally ill people know how to act *normal* when they need to.

As Karl has pointed out, these laws will always have too high a cost. They will take guns from many legitimate users, just to catch a few obvious nuts. No change is needed, except for law enforcement that stops being lazy and incompetent.
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I don't need to lecture any of those *******s like Lee about the 2nd. All that is needed is to point out all of the wonderful people on the left in government and legacy media have been saying. Queen Maxine tells her followers to form mobs to harass and intimidate her political enemies. Twitter and facebag are complicit in allowing antifa to post their intention to kill all of us fascist Trump voters. Aside from Gabbard and maybe the Shirley McClain wannabe broad, all of the other 20 running for the rat nomination proclaimed that ALL of the Trump voters are white supremacist, racist nazis. Now you can't let all of those white supremacists racist nazis walk around and freely. They have to be dealt with.

And let's not forget that new murder porn movie that the liberals at the movie studios just threw out onto the market where they kidnap republicans and hunt them for sport. No, I don't think I will take the pervert hairplug guy named Joe up on his kind off to "buy back" any of my weapons, like any of them ever belonged to that ****ing ******* in the first place. And he said he was ok sending death squads door to door to confiscate all of our guns

I think I'm just going to ahead and hang onto my weapons since they've made it clear what they have planned for us as soon as we can't defend ourselves from them.

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@Stee_man - - Yep.

Parkland's shooter committed felony assault with a deadly weapon a few months before he shot up the school (he put a gun to someone's head, AND it was reported to the cops. They DID NOT arrest him.) That standing alone was enough to toss him in jail, and a mental evaluation at that point was enough along with the felony and his more than 2 dozen previous exposures to law enforcement, several for violent acts, to confine him. Had the cops done their job HE WOULD HAVE BEEN LOCKED UP and unable to commit an offense.


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I can't wait to see the big, sheep shearing assembly line of judges who will spend half of their work day every day, rubber stamping the piles of red flag orders brought to them by woke prosecutors and politically motivated doctors. They'll just make **** up because it's not like there are any penalties for them to lie.

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What happens when states vote in red flag laws and people start red flagging cops? They have a very high rate of domestic violence. Will we see a Peon Amendment passed that officials and officers can be red flagged? Talk about bad optics...
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Yeah, Karl. The cops are a JOKE. They do what you said, then they arrest a 6 year old for pointing her finger at someone.
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Will we see a Peon Amendment passed that officials and officers can be red flagged?


Of course we will. They'll do it on the sly for as long as is possible, and when it become impossible, they'll do it legally.

For the children... you know.

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