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2019-06-08 09:00 by Karl Denninger
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Simple Solution To The Invasion
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It's really quite simple.

To obtain any social benefit at a state or federal level -- including free public schooling, Medicaid, Section 8, EITC, EBT of any sort (including WIC and Food Stamps) the following criteria must be met for all persons living in the household.  A person is "living in the household" if their personal effects are in the abode or they sleep there:

  • Said person(s) are US Citizens OR
  • Said person(s) are lawful permanent residents who have been lawful permanent residents for at least ten (10) years OR
  • Said person(s) are lawfully present in the United States, having been admitted through a legal immigration or migration program and they have a US Citizen or 10+ year Permanent resident as a formal, voluntary sponsor who is remitting, on a monthly basis, the ratable portion of all social benefits and costs incurred by them or their direct offspring to the US Treasury and State Treasuries, respectively.

Violation of these terms results in the immediate termination of all such benefits in which federal funds are implicated including free public schooling, free lunches, EBT, EITC, Medicaid and similar for all persons in the household.  If debarred due to a violation said debarment is effective for 12 months and may not be mitigated or overturned prior to that time, even if an impacted person moves to a different household, except by a showing under a preponderance of the evidence that the original determination was made in error.

Said termination may be challenged via court process.  Said process is entitled to expedited hearing in the Federal District Court in question and may be filed by an impacted person without counsel, however, injunctive relief is NOT available prior to adjudication and, if challenged and upheld at hearing or trial the debarment is, by Statute, extended from one to three years which may not be shortened by administrative or legal process.  There is no right of appeal either; you get one hearing, period.

Further, a person reporting such a household, which is found to be harboring illegal invaders, is entitled to 10% of the social benefits that would have otherwise been spent in said household on social benefits for the next 12 months as a "finders fee."

Second, shut off the coyote revenue with the following:

  • No person may transfer funds out of the United States to a second person not in the United States via any means, including "money transmitters" such as Western Union, Moneygram or the purchase of prepaid accounts valid outside the US unless they provide positive identification as either a US Permanent Resident or Citizen and same is recorded by the transmitter and is both retained and details of same are reported to Treasury when in any calendar year the aggregate amount exceeds the 1099 reporting requirement for any single person ($600.)

This stops the nonsense instantly, including by people attempting to circumvent the rules by abusing "prepaid" accounts with companies like Amazon, WalMart, PayPal and similar.  It does not impact someone having a prepaid card or other means of funds who personally travels and uses it, but prohibits sending "remittances" by anyone who is not a permanent resident or citizen.

This instantly detonates the means by which the "coyotes" can collect from migrants who have no money and promise to pay once they get to the United States and start obtaining "freebies" from the US and State governments or via illegal employment.

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Grumpygirl
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And yet again, Karl, you get to the heart of the matter. I've often thought that a proposal like yours, plus prosecuting employers that hire illegals would result in a great deal of change relatively quickly with no border wall necessary.
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Karl wrote..
Said person(s) are lawful permanent residents who have been lawful permanent residents for at least ten (10) years

respectfully disagree with the second bullet point quoted above. i have seen a lot and there are numerous ways that the system can be gamed. ten years goes by quickly and someone can do menial work while living with family and then get pregnant and do the whole thing at year 11. i submit for this bullet point that other than earned retirement benefit Medicare and Social Security a first-generation immigrant of either legal permanent resident status or naturalized citizen voluntarily and contractually forfeits any other welfare. this BTW was required of many immigrants of decades earlier. they were required to guarantee that they would never accept any public assistance. so it was only good for naturalized citizens from Switzerland, Germany, Britain, etc. and other white places.

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The penalties are not kind enough. They should be allowed to select either an all expenses paid one way trip back to their home country or a three year all expenses paid trip to a federal care facility on a remote Alaskan island where they will be feed a diet that will drop their body weight to the lowest healthy body weight for each individual guest and they can enjoy the great outdoors away from the noise and random shootings of the big cities. If they continue to be obstinate and decline either offer, then they can be pushed out the door of a cargo plane at 30,000 ft above Mexico City after being decompressurized for 10 minutes.
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Yep. Cheaper than the wall and it wont disfigure the landscape.

This probably has as much a chance of being implemented as the Sherman Clayton Anti-trust act has against certain entities.
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This would be a wonderful solution, but of course if they tried to implement it, the left would go crazy calling any informer a racist and that the idea of exposing illegals is wrong. Look how they handle illegals now in our country. They have an accident with a citizen, they get cited and lose their car to impound. Then the cop releases them. That's where the stupidity starts. They never should be released and ICE should be called. The victim they hit has no repercussion and ends up on the losing side every time.
Paying a bounty for exposing illegals is an idea that I felt should be ideal to stem the tide. Paying a portion of what they are stealing costs the government nothing and gets rid of another leech. Too bad it's not politically appealing for the entrenched scum bags running this country.
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Said person(s) are lawful permanent residents who have been lawful permanent residents for at least ten (10) years


Like white hat this jumped off the page at me. No no no ****ing no. I agree with the rest of your proposal and have some sympathy for whitehats point about 1st gen. But either way on that, these folks need to naturalize or go home. The whole point of permanent residency is to provide a path to naturalization. And yet, there are far too many *******s who think its OK to live here and benefit from the US economy for many decades while deliberately refraining from pursuing citizenship. In my opinion we shouldnt even renew a green card more than once. If they prefer the ideals of their own nation to the values enshrined in ours then, as soon as they have figured that out, they ought to remove themselves forthwith back to their home state or indeed anywhere else.
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Great idea, but it won't happen. The fascist left isn't happy with the electorate they have, so are content letting the Orcs flood in. As soon as they have 51% of the vote, nothing will stop them from remaking the country into a socialist 'paradise'.

We have already let in millions of people that want to devour America.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/07/opini....
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another thing that must be abolished is dual citizenship. continuing to allow that just makes us another giant, anal-retentive homeowner's association that one joins as a condition of living in a place.

divided loyalty means no loyalty.

people must understand their responsibilities as well as their rights.

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I have mixed feelings on that one... let me roll it around in my head for a bit.

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this 19 year perm resident agrees with getting rid of acquired dual citizenship. The oath of naturalization and the actual laws are at odds currently and nobody takes the oath seriously just wanting the benefits of citizenship. Virtually nobody renounces formally what they gave an oath saying they were.

Dual citizenship at birth like my daughter, well it is what it is.
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How about criminal activity from the inane to the violent. How many illegals are driving without licenses? How many are causing accidents? How many illegals enroll their kids in our schools and those kids commit crimes in those schools? How many illegals are shop lifting, stealing cars, dealing drugs or trafficking people? Every one of these crimes should terminate their ability to stay here and block them from returning.
Also, completely ignore the fact that they had a kid while staying here. If they want to claim the kid a citizen, then find a relative and drop them off. Criminals should not be able to stay in the country.
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@Aztrader exactly.

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I like the framework of your idea..initially, then thought about it.

People are coming here , I believe, mainly because we still have the best overall system around.

But we are going broke.

So this goes back to problem solving 101, and that means identifying and fixing the problems, which means close the borders to illegal flow.

Then for ones who want to come in legallly, ask the simple question of what do you bring to the party?

That includes not sucking off the state while sending money back home. That means coup,e being and stay married, cause right now they are not and while one works the other gets welfare up the kazoo. I know that because i know someone who is doing that and its common the the community

I have more to say but I am on the clock with missis.



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There is a another solution no one wants to address. Mexico has a much smaller Southern Border than we do...maybe Calhoun was wrong and we should have Annexed Mexico, enforced Republican governments on their States and made them join the Union after the Mexican American war.

Hear me out. The Cartel's took a big hit when Cannabis was legalized in a lot of States and obviously we can't just say 'Open Border' to kill the cayotes smuggling market, but if say change our thinking that Mexico can ever police itself or have a stable government on its own, we could stop the problem of not being able to absorb all of Central and South America.

We would need to build a much smaller wall with a lot less environmental damage to the non-human migratory species and waterways.

The Mexican people are closer to us culturally, and by and large, our Annexure of Puerto Rico worked, we just screwed up by not forcing them to become a State. They have already had free access to come and go for the entire time we've had them as a territory.

So let's do it. Let's send troops to the border. The Mexican Southern Border. And Mexico City. We end the problem by going to war on the Cartels directly. It is not likely he Mexican People are well armed for an insurgency, their government never let them have guys anyway so it's pretty obvious the ones we would be shooting would be either their corrupt government or the criminals.

These half measures have failed us for a century.
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10 years is not enough. You can't have open borders and welfare simultaneously.

It ends badly.

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Remember folks, the 10 years is only for those who were granted permanent residence and complied with its terms, including NOT being a public charge in any respect.

If you can make it for 10 years and pay your taxes, no welfare of any sort -- you are likely to have (by then) be naturalized anyway.

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If you can make it for 10 years and pay your taxes, no welfare of any sort -- you are likely to have (by then) be naturalized anyway.


Exactly. Which is why those who still are not naturalized are either not trying hard enough or dont want to be. In a few cases it may be a language difficulty but in many cases its that they dont WANT to be US citizens and to take on the obligations of same. OK, then please leave, or at least, no welfare for you.

I have no problem with multiple nationality - there are plenty of good reasons for that, and moreover acquiring US citizenship requires that you renounce them, effectively pronouncing that even though you may keep them the US is your primary loyalty. This seems reasonable.
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can't warm up to the 10 years thing. we have enough issues with our home grown single mothers getting on the system and do not have to make it easy for outsiders to get on the public dole. ten years is nothing. some bitch can get a college degree during that time while becoming a permanent resident, then fly home, get knocked up and you know the rest. directly observed this many times. the first gen exclusion was good for the earlier immigrants; let's apply it now.

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