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THIS is dangerous and stupid.

The very fact terrorists exploit people’s interest in dramatic events should caution you against typing in that search string, and certainly against sharing it with others.

Firstly, by doing so you’d be playing up to the narcissism of someone who couldn’t come up with any more adequate way to generate renown than to massacre innocent people. Whatever false modesty Tarrant might profess in the tedious manifesto ascribed to him, a quality shared universally by terrorists of all ilk is the desire to stand out from the crowd, to be seen—if only by themselves—as heroes and possibly martyrs. There’s plenty to be said for simply declining to oblige their desire for notoriety.

Secondly, it is difficult to imagine a more intimate moment in any person’s life than dying. Tarrant not only brutally brought this moment forward for dozens of innocent people, who had so many more years to live and so much more than him to give to their families, communities and to the country they made their home. He was determined to humiliate them, to make them look like targets in a video game. If you want to know more about the victims, wait for their life stories to emerge. By looking through the killer’s helmet camera, you are adopting his gaze, and actively participating in this indignity.

Thirdly, and as importantly, just because you’re not at the scene and not in any immediate risk, this does not mean that you will not be affected. Huge swathes of culture—especially visual culture—is premised on our ability to viscerally experience violence indirectly. Every time you feel your heartbeat accelerating during a tense scene in a thriller, or jump when a dark figure rushes the screen, you’re having a vicarious experience—and it can be as impactful as anything you are a part of, in real life. This isn't to say a single viewing of the footage will irreparably scar you—in fact, it's repeated exposure that carries the worst of the risk—but it will be, at the very least, far more unsettling than you probably bargained for.

Sorry, but no.

I searched, found, downloaded and watched the video. On a large screen.

You should do so too.

And then you should gather your family and make sure everyone in it watches it too including any child who is old enough to be out of the house without your direct, personal supervision -- which means any kid old enough to go to school.

You should watch it because it is real.

You should watch it because it makes clear the price of cowering in the corner if and when a jackwad decides to show up and try to murder you.

You should watch it because it shows you exactly how savage someone who intends to murder is -- up to and including the nice Grand Theft Auto reference when said jackwad runs over with his car one of the people he just shot.

You should watch it because it makes clear the price of surrendering your right to life and to protect your life and those who you love personallya right that existed before there was a government -- any government -- and will exist long after this rock is a smoking cinder in space.

The price of such surrender is that you and your loved ones, if such a circumstance arises, will be DEAD.

The entire purpose of watching that video is to be affected.  It is for you to get angry.  It is for you to recognize the destruction of your pre-government right to keep and bear arms as a natural and obvious requirement in order for you to have any chance of defense of your right to live as a  human being, which our Founders put into the Constitution even though many of them didn't think it was necessary as it was so obvious to them that they believed no written word stating same was necessary at all.

The Founders were wrong.

For more than two hundred years, and especially in the last hundred, over fifty thousand blatantly unconstitutional acts claiming to be laws that actually are not, under the very principles that this nation was founded upon, have been enacted, each and every one of them by a cadre of power-drunk tyrants who have and do endorse murder and terrorism and by their acts and through those who claim to "enforce" said acts they intentionally and with malice aforethought give material support, aid and comfort to murderers and terrorists every single day.

You must understand the first rule of true, no-bull**** combat: Everyone who comes in second or further down the list is six feet underground in a box.

If such a circumstance occurs you must fight with whatever you have and in as savage a means as you can present to your opponent.  No exceptions, no apologies and there are no participation trophies.  It is a binary event: You win or you die.

Not one person who intends or commits an act of murder or terrorism gives a damn about any law.  Ever.  Period.  It is for this reason that the Declaration of Independence clearly states that your right to life exists independent of, before and will exist after any form, type or collection of government.  PERIOD.

This video documents in clear, graphic form why the 2nd Amendment says in clear English: SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

The 2nd Amendment does not say "only if you have a permit or license."

The 2nd Amendment does not say "not in a church, synagogue or mosque."

The 2nd Amendment does not say "only if your weapon has (or doesn't have) this characteristic or that."

The 2nd Amendment does not say "if you're are or are not {whatever}."

The 2nd Amendment does not say "if it shall please or is approved by the government in some form."

It says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Maybe -- just maybe -- watching that video will give people both young and old the right idea: When some jackwad wants to kill you right now and the cops are just a few minutes away your best and only sane decision is to fight with whatever you have and in as savage a manner as you can physically achieve.

Further, your NATURAL RIGHT to remain alive makes clear that every human being has a right that pre-exists government, a right you had damned well better insist any and all governments respect to purchase and own (keep), have upon your person (bear) and in this sort of situation USE the most effective device ever invented by man to shift the odds in your favor: A GUN OF YOUR -- AND ONLY YOUR -- CHOOSING.

Despite CNN and other media outlets running hours of coverage blaming Trump for the shooting, a seditious and outrageous lie, the fact of the matter is that the shooter clearly stated in his manifesto (of which I also have a copy) the government most-aligned with his view was that of CHINA.  The Chinese government, may I remind you, slaughtered more than two million of their own people in just three short years between 1948-1951.

In short the purpose of watching that video is to wake you from your government and media-induced stupor and recognize that the Founders, when they wrote The Declaration, were both not kidding and they had a full, complete and accurate understanding of exactly what the price is of surrendering the rights you posses and damn well ought to insist be respected irrespective of any government or alleged jurisdiction -- past, present or future.

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This has been my exact response.

Everyone should watch it.

If you wanna spout race realism stuff you should know this is what you want.

If you spout gun control this is also the outcome.

Own the implications of your ideology. Understand the implications of the ideology of others and prepare accordingly.
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The MSM doesn't want you to think for yourself; therefore, they don't want you to receive any unfiltered content. Ever notice how YouTube justifies filtering content? When you search YouTube the filters send you to what YouTube considers "authoritative sources". What they really mean is authoritarian sources. So it all about authoritarianism and the managing public opinion.

Regarding the shooter: he was very detailed in profiling himself. I analyzed his mindset. My conclusion is that he's intelligent with an above average IQ. He travelled around the world searching for answers. And he concluded that getting out the gun was currently the best answer.

He said that he once was a "libertarian". I wonder when the MSM will get around to claiming he represents Libertarians. Below is a few excerpts from his manifesto. It seems to me that his views have gone from one end of the political spectrum to the other.


"Were/are you a fascist?
Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. I
am sure the journalists will love that.
I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosleys views and consider myself an Eco-fascist by nature.

The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the Peoples Republic of China.

......when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist...... I am an Ethno-nationalist Eco-fascist. Ethnic autonomy for all peoples with a focus on the preservation of nature, and the natural order."
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"a binary event". I like that. You are either a "One" or a "Zero". Choose to not be a "Zero".
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Just like so many other things in which we are cautioned to only trust professionals - we are now being told we shouldn't try to interpret news ourselves. If we read the manifesto we are to stupid to decide what was going on inside his screwed up head, but Journalist Majors who aren't even Psychologists will interpret it for us.
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From the linked article "CHRISTCHURCH SHOOTING FOOTAGE: WHY YOU SHOULDNT WATCH THE VIDEO, AND WHAT TO DO IF YOU DID"

Dimi Reider wrote..
Some of us, like journalists and police, are professionally obliged to view distressing imagery to try to discern valuable new information, whether for investigation purposes or to better inform debate.

so... leave it to the "Professionals"?!? What a big steamy load of digital bull**** just slid across my screen.

and if my google-foo is correct, from an Israeli journalist no less: https://reider.wordpress.com/
...and an Israeli journalist who touts his work being on an anti-censorship site: https://www.indexoncensorship.org/
...and an Israeli journalist who co-founded and co-edits +972 Magazine: https://972mag.com/c/news/, which on the same day the above crap was posted (March 15, 2019) had as the top story, a article bemoaning censorship https://972mag.com/idf-censor-press-free....

Maybe, by your own logic Mr. Reider, the "professionals" in the IDF didn't want you to worry your pretty little head over ideas and images that may cause you more trauma, and being the professionals that they are more suited "to better inform debate" than you yourself. No? Not buying that? Good on you. The adults here don't buy crap either. Stop trying to sell it.


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I've got the manifesto - 25 page .pdf. Seemed complete except a couple of images at the end didn't download.

i don't yet have the video.

Would you consider putting both on equipment that you control and providing links, just in case they get scrubd everywhere else?
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perhaps they dont want we see a bunch of people executed without having any chance to do something about it.


is amazing how many people look at me in disbelief and exclaim "would you really shoot at someone who broke into your house???"


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Everyone who comes in second or further down the list is six feet underground in a box.



this is something people has either become too dumb or too brainwashed to understand

they keep saying "but this country is very safe"
yes, but that is just a statistical consideration.
those who get killed dont die 0.001% versus being 0.1% dead if they lived in a dangerous country.
they are 100% dead. for them the fact that they lived in a low crime place has no importance whatsoever.


and of course now the criminals in charge are jumping at the opportunity to further disarm people.

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/3/16/1826....


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Go to vidmax or kaotic. Must be 18+ not at work and have an empty stomach. Sites are never scrubd.
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You probably got it all Burya. I have it saved in plain text and its about 30 pages and I still have the SCRIBD edition up on my browser. Interesting read if anyone wants it and can't find it.
As to the video, IDK. I get the gist and already know I will run to active shooters on offense so...
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The original PDF of the manifesto is 74 pages; the last page is a collection of images. If that is not what you got then you have something other than the original.

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Some curiosities.

The shooter was efficient - He did not waste any of his shots.

The shooter was deliberate - He did not hurry any of his shots.

The shooter was in control - He kept his emotions in check.

The shooter was well trained - His guns did not jam and he replaced his clips while walking, while wearing gloves.


Anyone who has gone through trauma knows there is a surge of adrenaline and other hormones that rushes through their body. Often times this causes "Time distortion" seconds seem like minutes and minutes seem like seconds. Causes tunnel vision, you can only see what is in front of you, not the sides. Causes distorted vision, it becomes difficult to tell how far away an object is.

This is why we train police, military and other individuals who might be expected to be faced with traumatic events. So they know how they will react and what to expect. But all the training in the world can not and will not prepare someone for the real thing and NO ONE knows (They might have a VERY good idea) exactly how they will react in a traumatic situation.

NZ gunman was in control during his drive over, when he dropped the first people at the entrance of the building as he walked through selecting each shot, while he replaced his clips as he shot at cars with occupants in them, not just randomly into the parking lot. He was in control as he switched weapons, went back into the building and verified every target was dead, but he did not spray them with bullets he walked up to each one individually to make sure they were dead.

He exited the building for the second time, raises his rifle and in one (That's what I remember) shot takes out the person standing by the fence, that was a fair distance. He visually sweeps the parking lot again, not wasting ammunition, walks up the the person he just shot, makes sure that person is dead and runs the body over. Yet two minutes latter he calmly waits for the two girls to finish crossing the cross walk.


He makes few if any mistakes, he does not waste his actions or his bullets. Not sure what was going on with the red gas cans, but it looked like they were rigged as some type of bomb.

Compare that against last years Vegas shooting. A room full of arms and ammunition, yet supposedly the guns jammed and we know all targets were random and death was not the number one motivation. Mistakes were made and no matter what you chose to believe really happened everything was sloppy, from beginning to end. Not so with NZ gunman.

Was the music he played while in route to the first building significant? I do not know NZ culture, so have not clue if it was just random music or was it meant to jack him up? Why play it?

Unless you are the type of person with the ability to withstand that type of emotional swing and remain in control of your emotions, it is VERY unlikely they could pull something like this off. But some people can be trained to withstand the emotional surges. Was he trained?

Where did he get his training? Was it ALL video games?

Where did he get his weapons? That was a significant cache.

Same with ammunition? Where from?

While having gloves on, he is able to find and replace his clips. Can a person without ANY training do this? While he is walking and looking for new targets.

His targets where deliberate, he picked them. He knew what he wanted to shot and did. As far as I could see and we know, he did not shot one person he did not intend to. Can someone without some level of training do that?

After exiting the building for the second time, shooting his last intended victim and running that body over, he gets back on the road and purposefully heads to his second location - WHILE following all the laws, yes he shoots the shot gun through the window, but those were not random shots, they had a purpose. And instead of running the two girls in the crosswalk over he patiently waits for them, only honking his horn as they reach the curb? Someone with no training not going to take out random people with their car if they could?

Lets say the music he played has a significance in NZ (My guess is it does) why is the gunman siting America's 2nd Amendment in his manifesto? Why were his only targets those either in the building or dressed a certain way? What sect did those people belong to? Why deliberately put apparently random writings on your weapons, there were lot's and lot's of what seemed like random words.

His actions were not random. Why put random words on his weapon? It's not like it said "Nola Gay". What message is he trying to sell?

People should keep in mind the muslim community loves to fight, it is built into their laws. Anyone they deem is a "non" believer has no value and bad things are expect to happen to non-believers. This does extend to other sects. Kind of like Catholic vs Protest will always claim their religion is superior to the others, but they won't kill each other over it. Although different sects fall under the umbrella of muslim, each one believes they are superior to the other and are willing to fight to prove it. This is one of the reason why there will NEVER be peace among those people.

Who did the gunman visit while abroad? Where did he stay while abroad? Did those people belong to a sect that opposed the one he shot up?

Why would a "Crazed" NZ gunman even give a damn about the American 2nd Amendment?

Where did the gunman get his training?
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I searched, found, downloaded and watched the video. On a large screen.

You should do so too.


As people should be allowed to watch all of 9/11 footage. I have seen the people leaping to their death. Watching it should not be forced, but it should be allowed. Someone flew planes into American buildings. Someone targeted American lives. We all know the number of dead, so why aren't we "allowed" to watch how a few chose to end their pain? Yes great pain, heat, smoke, fear, no hope...No hope except landing on a nice soft car. That was the choice some people were forced to make by people who intended them harm.

It will cause outrage some say? HELL YES!!!

The video of the NZ gunman was very much like watching a video game. And the gunman made every move with purpose. He killed people. And did not waste his ammunition or actions. He was efficient in ending those lives.

People who want to watch it should. What would YOU do if faced with a situation like that? Run? Well many dead people did just that. They didn't make it very far. Will you play dead? Some tried that too. They still ended up dead.

Try and watch it unfold from afar. Well that didn't work out to well for someone.

Fight back? Without a gun? Not against someone who has had training. The one person who did make physical contact with the gunman was no match. (In my humble option the now dead guy was NOT trying to fight for his life by over powering the gun man, but that is only my opinion)

Maybe having a gun on your person would have saved you or someone else, maybe not. But knowing his targets would not have a gun only made this guys job easier.

Watch the video and understand it is not Allah's job to spare you from a killer, cuz while people were actually praying to him, allah allowed them to be gunned down.

Watch the video and understand it is not the States job to spare you from a killer. The state was NO were in a position to even slow this guy down.

Watch the video and understand it is not your neighbors job to spare you from a killer. Everyone ran for their own safety.

Watch the video and understand just whose job it is to spare you and your loved ones from a killer. That job is..........YOURS.
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"just random music or was it meant to jack him up? Why play it?"

I'm not sure about the polka music (maybe something about Eastern Europe and Muslims) but Music for Fifes and Drums was one of the songs played and I don't think I've ever heard it on the radio much less if I traveled to NZ. Likely it folds into his comments on civil war in the US over guns.

"Why would a "Crazed" NZ gunman even give a damn about the American 2nd Amendment?"

My thought is that perhaps he sees the US as the last chance for us. Of course he his not being real helpful in that regard.
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Thirdly, and as importantly, just because youre not at the scene and not in any immediate risk, this does not mean that you will not be affected. Huge swathes of cultureespecially visual cultureis premised on our ability to viscerally experience violence indirectly. Every time you feel your heartbeat accelerating during a tense scene in a thriller, or jump when a dark figure rushes the screen, youre having a vicarious experienceand it can be as impactful as anything you are a part of, in real life. This isn't to say a single viewing of the footage will irreparably scar youin fact, it's repeated exposure that carries the worst of the riskbut it will be, at the very least, far more unsettling than you probably bargained for.


Screw this jackwagon Dimwit Reider and his self-projection. I watched that video and was horrified for the victims. I did not get some type of vicarious thrill due to the violence. It's amazing how these journalistic professionals self-project their own internal issues onto everyone else. If anything it will make me more diligent in the carry and training of a weapon.

This is what ultimately happens when people can not defend themselves - fire up the trains and the ovens and get those Zyklon B showers moving.

Dimwit's view reminds me of the early church when "priests" could only interpret the bible. The fact is they wish to obscure the real facts and substitute a narrative of their own making.

More reason as to why to NEVER trust mainstream media or their mouthpieces.

As far as the shooter it is obvious he was a very internally conflicted individual. How many ideologies of death had gotten inside his head to produce the mindset that led to this atrocity?





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Quote from ZH article.

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Police Commissioner Mike Bush confirmed the death toll stands at 49, with 42 injured. He said that after receiving the initial emergency call at 1.42pm local time, police took 36 minutes to track down and detain Tarrant.

'That is an incredibly fast response time. You had a mobile offender across large metropolitan city. I am very happy with the response of our staff,' Bush said.

A surgeon from Christchurch Hospital described Friday's events as 'carnage'.



According to the police commissioner 36 minutes is an "incredibly fast response time" for the police to RESPONSE time. To stop what a surgeon describes as "carnage".

Please, take my means of protecting myself and my family from carnage so I can shelter in place while those around me die or get injured. Oh and by the way, please put a tracking device in me so my exact location can be known whenever it is convenient. Which kind of begs the question if you have no means of protecting yourself AND the state knows who is who in a scenario like this. What will their response time be to save your ass?
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The shooter was efficient - He did not waste any of his shots.


Uh... Did you see the video? He was aiming in the general direction of a group of people and just firing as fast as he could pull the trigger. I'm sure he wasted quite a few. And the extra shotgun shots when he first started.

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The shooter was well trained - His guns did not jam and he replaced his clips while walking, while wearing gloves.


Except for the fumbled magazine changes and the dropped magazines... Well trained? I didn't see anything that indicated any training at all. At least beyond weapon basics. He *DEFINITELY* didn't have any training at all when it came to room clearing or situational awareness.

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He also appears to have had a jam (which he did successfully clear, but during which if anyone was still alive they could have rushed him trivially.)

And, as noted by Asi, he wasn't efficient at all when it came to room clearing. One dude with a gun -- or even a baseball bat swung about head-high -- right inside a door jamb pressed up against it and he would have been wasted instantly when he stuck his head in.

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I reviewed the video again. One thing to note is that Music for Fifes and Drums is playing up until he enters the building. It's not on the car radio, he has a device on his person playing it. When he returns to the car Metal is playing. Polka and Metal on the same radio station? Bewildering. Also he did make two mistakes not noted. Killing the random guy with the shotgun a block a way was really not conducive to his escape. Driving like a maniac (I know) really made him stand out also. I also noted that there was a scoped (long) rifle in the passenger well, so he didn't intend this to be the end.
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@Tinman -- and it wasn't (the end of his rampage.) He intended (according to his manifesto) a second mosque, which he got to, but was far less successful there. There was no livestream of that one.

In fact he said he chose that specific place because there were two mosques in close proximity.

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When he got out of the car he was playing the Grenadier's March
It has been used by Soccer fans for years and now adopted by BREXIT and anti immigration groups in the UK.


Serbia Strong is another on the playlist.
It is part of the Remove Kebab meme and popular on forums where some people think that NATO took the wrong side in the Kosovo conflict.
It was in the Belgrade newspapers recently bemoaning the attempt to further embarrass Serbia and involve them in the murder spree.



Compare to the SJW Pacifists worship song for the last few decades, Imagine.
I really don't think it will be much use when in the middle of a full blown attack by someone filled with blood lust. Just hide in the corner and sing along.


Now the Call to Jihad. Mesmerizing and good production quality.


Music undoubtedly has the ability to influence people's thinking.

These will be the modern equivalents to Dixieland and the Battle Hymn of the Republic.

I kind of have a thing for IRA songs myself.


Choose a side and choose your theme song.

Generation Kill. Gen Z's theme perhaps? Song of the Mad Saxon?
Since he was being so dramatic I am surprised he left this song out.


The Shooter was also playing the theme song of an Anime series and a dig at 4chan which started as an Anime photo page and morphed into including hentai and then the /k/ and /pol/ among other things.

Gas Gas Gas
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"Step on the Gas and be a Martyr"



Maybe this can give some insight into the thought processes of his intentional imagery.



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Where did he get his training? Was it ALL video games?

Where did he get his weapons? That was a significant cache.

Same with ammunition? Where from?

any half decent sport shooter can do that. with a rifle, anybody within 20-25 yds is a one shot business.

according to reports he owned 5 weapons. i know folks who own 500

ammo. i shoot 1000 to 1200 rounds per month in training. he had a few mags, nothing expecial.

but yes. however nothing exceptional, this guy was not the usual idiot just spraying lead around, goes to show how much damage can make anyone with modest training and a motivation when targeting unarmed victims. had he found 100 or more people in that mosque, they would be all dead.

he knew he had time, and that he would find no opposition.
very sad for the victims.

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Well done Tom thank you and that IRA song is nice. Adding to the list "FIRE" by Arthur Brown (1968) as he drove away.
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Mangy said:

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According to the police commissioner 36 minutes is an "incredibly fast response time" for the police to RESPONSE time. To stop what a surgeon describes as "carnage".


Even 3.6 seconds would have been too late. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. This BS about police protection. They are NEVER the first responders - only the cleanup task force.

NZ government now attempting to go into full people control mode and further erode the freedoms of citizens. "Gun control" is actually about control of Joe average citizen. It only empowers criminals.


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I will only chime in to echo KD's assessment. This video is IMHO *the* most valuable piece of intel and after-action data we have ever seen of an active shooter situation. Full first person video and audio, from the shooter. Proper analysis will take time but the obvious lessons have already been pointed out. I intend to get as many people as possible to watch it. Especially a friend for whom "mass shootings" are his single biggest hot button and reason to ban all guns.

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