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Sadly history is littered with examples where people either issued a strong warning to some entity that was ignored, resulting in war (e.g. 1776) or worse, the people didn't issue such a warning and really, really bad things happened (e.g. Auschwitz.)

This is one of those times at which such a warning must be issued, and the issue is not just what it appears folks.

LOS ANGELES — You will get chipped. It’s just a matter of time.

In the aftermath of a Wisconsin firm embedding microchips in employees last week to ditch company badges and corporate logons, the Internet has entered into full-throated debate.

Religious activists are so appalled, they’ve been penning nasty 1-star reviews of the company, Three Square Market, on Google, Glassdoor and social media.

On the flip side, seemingly everyone else wants to know: Is this what real life is going to be like soon at work? Will I be chipped?

“It will happen to everybody,” says Noelle Chesley, 49, associate professor of sociology at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. “But not this year, and not in 2018. Maybe not my generation, but certainly that of my kids.”

I'm not kidding at all about having to shoot before this catches on in any material way no matter whether it's the government or private industry doing it.  If such a warning is not issued with the willingness and intent to carry out the threat if it becomes necessary our entire premise of civilization and personal privacy will be entirely destroyed.

Look folks, most of you don't get it because you don't understand the technology and everyone pushing it lies to you either by omission or directly to your face.

Here's the truth about any such implementation: It makes nearly every single thing you do in public instantly and permanently trackable by any entity that can get to the data stream now and forevermore into the future with an indefinite lookback.

How big is the data stream going to be?  Enormous and very-nearly complete in terms of specificity but very small in terms of volume per-person, and thus trivially maintainable and searchable.

Let me explain.

You can find these "chips" in modern car keys in terms of the technology involved. It's a small circuit with a coil that, when a magnetic field is passed over it, generates a tiny amount of power.  That power is just enough to power a little bit of circuity inside which in turn can return "an answer"; typically a challenge/response of some sort.  The amount of power available, due to the size of the chip and thus the coil, is very, very small and thus the range is typically very short -- an inch or thereabouts.  This is also why there is no RF exposure risk in having these things in a pet; the power level they can generate is so low that there are no exposure concerns.

That's why the vet passes the reader over your pet to read it; he can't point it at the cat from 3' away and read the chip, but right up against the skin under which it resides, yes.

The inverse-square law and the natural noise in the environment means that trying to extend that range to tens of feet or more is not going to happen.  You not only need to ridiculously increase the power being sent to the chip to excite it you must also radically increase the reception gain and manage to get above the background noise level.  The scaremongering about you being scanned from tens or hundreds of feet away is nonsense; it won't work.

But, if you can be funneled through something about the size of a door it's a different matter.  Now you both can trivially increase the querying power and the reception gain, along with keeping too many chips from responding at once -- and likely manage to read these things without the knowledge or consent of the person who has one in them.

This means that any time you go into a commercial building of any sort, or through any sort of "access point" in a public venue -- a doorway, a turnstile or similar that effectively makes people proceed "single file" due to its size -- it is a near-certainty that the chip can be interrogated and since these are all cryptographic signature devices of some kind you will be placed there with absolute certainty.

That record will never go away and it is trivially searchable en-masse for any sort of pattern recognition that the person who has access to that data wishes to devise, now or in the future.

Cell phones have some of this risk right now in their "location" capabilities, which I've written about before.  But you can turn the phone off and that should disable this.  You can also refuse to carry one.  Once chipped, however, it's both permanent and pervasive and there is exactly nothing you can do about it.

Anyone who has even a modicum of intelligence knows that nothing you do on the Internet is ever really "gone."  Likewise as soon as this happens there will be nowhere in any public space you can go where a commercial or government interest hasn't put in place some sort of point you must pass through where your entrance and departure in each and every instance will be recorded in perpetuity and used.

If that's allowed to happen, ever, freedom is utterly, instantly and permanently over.

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When I was a younger man I saw technology giving us a better future. Today all I see is darkness. The ultimate Mark of the Beast. You need a necessity, any necessity: no chip, no necessity.


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Facial recognition is already being implemented in airports and other facilities. Most of us have already read about the "social credit score" in Communist China. Facebook, Apple, Twitter, YouTube and other companies are deplatforming individuals, because said individuals have bad social credit... Some banking institutions won't do business with gun manufacturers, because of bad social credit.

Social credit is a term we all better get used to. Actually it's Socialist credit. Everybody better be a good little Socialist. Pay your carbon tax. Accept the Muslim invasion in Euroland and the Latin Socialist invasion of the U.S.. Don't call a spade a spade or a queer a queer or a offend any of the "woke" people.

Crazy, queer, obese, stupid, Islamic radical, Marxist, et. al. are all hate speech terms. And anybody who doesn't (group)think that the white man is evil and white culture is bad, those people are going to get a special "chip"...
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And lets not forget the ability of someone in government that doesnt like you (say, for your political views) to alter those records and place you somewhere that you never really were.
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But think!

You won't need your drivers license anymore, you won't need to carry around credit cards... No requirement for proof of ID... Just wave your hand at their scanner!!

Any computerized device (cell phone, tablet, laptop, desktop computer, AR goggles, etc) can just be picked up and automatically be logged into YOUR desktop...

Think of the time saving!!

Also think of how easy new cars can be stolen. You know, the ones without a requirement for a physical key - just a radio signal.

Don't worry though! Your personal implant is safe!! We safeguard your data!!

It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

Festina lente.
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It will happen to everybody, says Noelle Chesley, 49, associate professor of sociology at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.

If things continued as they are now I would say his statement is true. Pretty much everyone under 45 see no dangers in this since they know so little about history and the cycle of empires/tyranny, but his statement assumes things will continue linearly as they are now.

I think everyone who reads TF and similar sites know things are about to get interesting in a bad way and depending on the outcome the whole chip thing may be seen equal to the Auschwitz tattoos.

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I think this will happen in a manner less obvious but more insidious. As KD has said, the data already exists from numerous disparate sources. Once it is linked and sifted in an efficient manner, there will be no need to cut people.
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My God this is terrifying.

Single file into the showers, that way we'll know who we got and who we didn't.

Evasion (by means such as a Faraday glove) will be illegal. You "implied" your consent when you left your house.
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KD, as always, kudos

Several years ago (1996) we were in the audience at "Talk Back Live" in ATL. Guy (doctor/medical? can't remember) from Finland was on talking about a chip in his hand for "medical purposes" rather than alert badge. Info beamed to device so doctors/nurses would have immediate access to all medical records. I stood and said,"That information cannot be beamed more than a couple inches or it will be compromised. The pulse doesn't stop at a couple feet." Guy blabbed on for a while and moderator (Arthel Neville?) was believing the hype.

Another guy stood, said, "I'm in physics and engineering at Georgia Tech and that gentleman (points at me) is correct. You cannot beam any information without it being compromised." Gives 5 more points why. Arthel started hardline questioning the guy, he became incoherent to the questioning, gone in 5 minutes from the show.

Point is, this keeps coming back and will be force fed our way until it's part of our daily lives. Just like Socialism, kids being indoctrinated... they keep pushing the sheeple with no resistance
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I should probably start filing those dusty patent applications in my drawer for a line of tinfoil clothing. Hats, wristbands, vests, T-shirts, underwear - I'm gonna be rich!

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There's definitely one of those Red Lines we were discussing the other day.

A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo

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I said years ago how this was going to go. Back around the year 2000, I saw in the new that the Mexican Government was going to chip their employees. It was a legit AP article. I even printed the article because i knew people would not believe me. Since then I've seen nothing about it related to the Mexican Govvernment. But as I have said many time this is how it will play out.

Allow me to predict the future on how this is going to go. We are already seeing volunteers, so we are already in the first stage. There is at least one company in Europe that has been doing chipping for a while now and occasionally you will see articles on how great it is, but I think there are a few. So the first stage, like all tech, is getting the volunteers.

As part of that, there will be two subsets that we have not seen yet. One will be convicted prisoners that will take the chip for at home release. This will be praised for reducing prison populations and helping to contribute to better prison conditions. They will increase this to the point of releasing convicted killers and rapists. Occasionally one of these will cut the chip out and go on another spree, but this will be explained away as an exception and Hey still look at all the benefits, we will just improve the process by placing the chip next to the heart or brain or other such non-sense. All the while never changing the outcomes.

The second subset which is just as important is at some point, some parents are going to chip their kids, not teenagers but 3yr olds(maybe infants) to pre-teens. Then some child will get kidnapped by a pedophile. The pedophile will get caught right before causing serious harm to the child. This will make national news for weeks, even months. Because subsequently, there will be other stories of kidnapped kids that are murdered that which could have been avoided if they had just been chipped. This will cause a huge mad rush for parents getting their kids chipped and you will be considered a near criminal if you dont chip your children, see it will socially be treated as neglect. Then later it will be made law as felony neglect.

Once this is law, then getting the remaining adults is easy. Companies will require it, so you wont be able to get a job without one. Then for those that run their own businesses, they will get locked out of the system for not being chipped as well.

This will not happen overnight. This will happen over the next 15 to 20 years. Maybe less. Parents volunteering to get their kids chipped is the key. Once that starts the timeframe will accelerate pretty quickly.

People particularly the younger generation have literally no issue with giving their information away. They see no harm is Googles and Amazons speaker talking systems. They even flaunt their info on whatever the latest social app is. We are headed for a very dark time in history.

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Won't facial recognition make this obsolete? Just point a camera at the entry point of every building and on the corner of every public sidewalk.

The facial software analyzes the recording constantly, sends reports back to the googleamazonfacebookNSAFBICIA mothership for cross table referencing, and your "meatspace" activities are linked to your online profile.

We're pretty much already there, aren't we?
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...and with a few keystrokes by a beurocrat, you are instantly bankrupted, nationless, and a registered sex offender.

Hot civil war is now inevitable.
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Just a question: would covering the chip with lead foil keep it from being read?
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of walking in sunlight, and an armed guard at his back. The long-hoped-for
bullet was entering his brain.

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what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless
misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast!
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@Mikeyparks - Yes, but since "everyone" will be chipped a failed read will also result in an immediate detention by "someone" on the other side of the portal....

Your response is exactly what they're counting on in doing this. It's the pussy's way out -- ball-less and, so you think, "without risk."

You don't have to decide en-masse that this has gone too far and you don't have to sack data centers, burn everything involved to the ground and shoot.

Remember all that as you are herded into the "shower." Just keep telling yourself that the stench of rotting people behind the building ISN'T the 10,000 who were gassed to death over the last few weeks. There's nice, warm, clean water behind that showerhead -- not poison gas.

It won't happen to you.... right? After all you willingly disrobed and dispossessed yourself of even the most-trivial weapon or means of fighting back before you went in there.... I'm sure it will all be just fine.

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remember how easy it was to get the "patriot" act thru congress after 911?
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there is a writer and speaker, David Icke, from Britain who spoke about this implanted microchip issue for over two decades as the absolute one thing that must be opposed. his work touches upon some "interesting" topics, however he seems to be a moderate and overall sensible person. those of us concerned about this issue since the 1980's and the hell being prepared for our children debated one thing regarding the "chip."

the implanted chip is a threat, but the powers that be are able to achieve the same data and probably even better tracking through indirect and other direct means. facial recognition constantly improves and camera coverage is growing. it is only a matter of time that fingerprint readers and/or facial recognition cameras are used to close transactions and make retail purchases. of course everyone consents to be lojacked with those ****ing phones, never mind the car technology and even bicycles are being considered. in other words the chip can be no better or worse and is not worth fighting over as the battle is already lost. the cooking of our liberties is done in the same way as a lobster and the angle of attack is multivariate.

right now i can still use cash, drive an older car and license plate readers are not everywhere YET, leave the ****ing phone at home and use a one-way beeper, walk, wear a hat and sunglasses and cameras are not everywhere YET, etc. credit cards can be avoided as well as other consumer identifiers in concert with the above. the next big thing will be data tagged cash. then it is ****ing over. the computing power and existing bulk scanning works well. the computing power is more than adequate. this is close to being, if not actually, the final nail. why, because we did not start shooting literally and figuratively during the buildup to this situation.

here in this forum i once proposed legislation to pull back the curtain and let people see what was happening to them. this would have caused massive outrage.

one ought to know exactly which metrics are used to rate him, where it was obtained and what it says about him. to make it clear for you. your car insurance company should be forced to say that your risk profile is due to you being rated a drinker who does so x times per month, driving home because the bar is x miles from your house and that they know this because they obtain your credit card transactions or the source of the data is your smartphone pairing with the network near the bar and the GPS data makes it more specific. gets even better. every potential and current employer must be forced to disclose the data services and actual data used to screen every candidate and employee. this applies to a myriad of situations. every medical data service must be forced to provide the profile that exists on someone including how they got it. how many commercial medical information websites will appreciate this last one.

secret files are the currency of evil dictatorships and we have allowed this to become the norm from educational institutions on down who lord it over us. it is the fear of the unknown that keeps people in line, not knowing what they know. why did i not get the job. why am i charged so much for things, what am i suspected of. what do they know about me. what do they think that they know. subconscious fear is the best kind.

it is not what evil, powerful people do in the daylight that is bad. it is what they do out of sight that brings evil to the world.

was there not a saying that sunlight is the best disinfectant.

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Would a strong enough magnetic field destroy such a device? What about an MRI?

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@Vernonb - Probably not.

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I had heard of this happening in China (so when I saw the first two lines of your post, I knew it wasnt conspiracy talk) and at the time I doubted it would be coming here anytime soon, but it looks like I was wrong, and its knocking on our door now.

My first thought was, If someone tries to force a chip on me or my family, I will shoot and it will be bloody.

But, the members of this blog cannot simply react AFTER the fact. We have to stop this NOW by any legal means possible BEFORE this idea takes hold and consent sinks in. If we are forced to shoot, then were TOO late!

We are already being tracked by GPS, which we arguably consent to when we use Google Maps for directions on our mobile devices, but tracking of everything else WILL be used against us.

We need to IMMEDIATELY start an online petition stating our outright objection to this form of tracking as an unconstitutional invasion of our privacy rights and clearly state that IF chipping is permitted or legally mandated, we will shoot to defend our rights and that a bloody war will ensue. As you stated, a conditional statement is not an immediate threat and therefore cannot be used against us for any charge of treason, sedition, assault, etc.

We need to mass circulate this online petition on all available social media, newspapers, etc., and make it available for everyone to sign. (However, I wouldnt doubt if many of the big players (Facebook, Washington Post, Instagram, etc. prohibit the posting and mentioning of this petition as those who control them likely wont allow it.)

Karl, youre obviously the techie herewould you be willing to post an online petition so we can e-sign?

Also, for those of you who dont know and think Im being paranoid, check out these links:

They show the Chinese government using face-recognition software to track its citizens to ultimately enslave them. Further, the Chinese government has already instituted a social credit system in which you can be punished by not letting you get financial credit, leave the country, and shutting you out from society, which is basically a death sentence in todays economy.

Ive heard this is happening in China as a test run because it was obviously easier to deploy there due to the communist nature of that country and will be (or IS being) exported by the billionaire elites to the rest of the world (including Europe and the US).

Im a father and I will not allow my children, future grandchildren and the rest of future humanity to suffer an invasion of privacy this great in which I can guarantee that this chipping software will be used to blackmail everyone to bend to the elites desires.

Further, there is talk about the chipping being used to brainwash you and get you to think and do what they want you to do. There currently is talk about the 5G wireless technology being installed specifically for this purpose to control you remotely by chip. You will be their pet, their robot and their slave. Im not the tin hat typeI just know that when you google 5G wireless technology chip to brainwash mind control you get a lot of credible looking hits:

And even if mind control is not possible through electronic stimuli, why should anyone agree to be chipped?

Do not get chipped and do not allow anyone you know to get chipped.

We have to be the chickens that fight back and kill the fox before the fox kills us. Again, we have to act now before its too late.
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So, how does this work without electricity? and i'm not talking about the chip itself. I know how it works.

Most all of these type of problems just kind of go away if the big switch is flipped.

It's hard to run games like this with a bunch of paper and a filing cabinet.

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If these are RFID transceivers then a short stint in a microwave oven will fry them - yeah, it will hurt like hell and give you a subcutaneous burn, but it will be quick.

Fundamentally I don't see how these are more nefarious than facial recognition; I think facial recognition is *worse* - your face can be captured from a much further distance and you don't have to be "funneled" to be identified.

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Most of these so far (at least the RFID ones) are in the web of your hand.
You can get it back out fairly easily if you don't mind performing a minor surgical procedure on yourself.

If it's for work, put your device in a wristband and don't mention it. Just be damn sure you don't ever forget the wristband, as the game will be up instantly if you are present and can't scan yourself.
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