Oh Do Shut Up
The Market Ticker - Commentary on The Capital Markets
Logging in or registering will improve your experience here
Main Navigation
Display list of topics
Sarah's Resources You Should See
Sarah's Blog Buy Sarah's Pictures
Full-Text Search & Archives
Legal Disclaimer

The content on this site is provided without any warranty, express or implied. All opinions expressed on this site are those of the author and may contain errors or omissions.

NO MATERIAL HERE CONSTITUTES "INVESTMENT ADVICE" NOR IS IT A RECOMMENDATION TO BUY OR SELL ANY FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO STOCKS, OPTIONS, BONDS OR FUTURES.

The author may have a position in any company or security mentioned herein. Actions you undertake as a consequence of any analysis, opinion or advertisement on this site are your sole responsibility.

Market charts, when present, used with permission of TD Ameritrade/ThinkOrSwim Inc. Neither TD Ameritrade or ThinkOrSwim have reviewed, approved or disapproved any content herein.

The Market Ticker content may be sent unmodified to lawmakers via print or electronic means or excerpted online for non-commercial purposes provided full attribution is given and the original article source is linked to. Please contact Karl Denninger for reprint permission in other media, to republish full articles, or for any commercial use (which includes any site where advertising is displayed.)

Submissions or tips on matters of economic or political interest may be sent "over the transom" to The Editor at any time. To be considered for publication your submission must include full and correct contact information and be related to an economic or political matter of the day. All submissions become the property of The Market Ticker.

Considering sending spam? Read this first.

2019-01-14 07:00 by Karl Denninger
in Personal Health , 315 references Ignore this thread
Oh Do Shut Up
[Comments enabled]

One thing you can be certain of -- any celebrity jackwad who parades around selling memberships to "fitness" has zero to say about anything that has to do with science.

This is especially true when they participate in "reality shows" that are dangerous as hell -- like "Biggest Loser."

“‘You know what we need to do? All fat and animal protein! Ding, ding ding!’” she said imitating a keto diet supporter. “No! Bad plan. For a million reasons.”

Michaels said the diet doesn’t give the body the important nutrients it needs to promote a healthy lifestyle.

“Your cells, your macro molecules, are literally made up of protein, fat, carbohydrates, nucleic acids. When you do not eat one of the three macro nutrients — those three things I just mentioned — you’re starving yourselves,” Michaels explained. “Those macro nutrients serve a very important purpose for your overall health and wellbeing. Each and every one of them.”

Factually wrong.

There are no essential carbohydrates.  I challenge this self-proclaimed expert at animal biology (including human) to cite one single carbohydrate that is essential for human life and health.

Just one.

She can't -- because there aren't any.

There are essential vitamins; we cannot, for example, synthesize Ascorbate (vitamin C) due to a genetic defect.  There are essential amino acids, nine of which humans cannot synthesize.  There are six more that we can, but under some metabolic conditions fail to do so in sufficient quantity.  Further, certain amino acids are interchangeable (that is we can convert one from another); the sulfur-containing ones fall into this category as well as those which are converted by the urea cycle so it isn't as simple as a list that one must make sure they get enough of in all cases.

While it is possible to obtain all of these amino acids from plant-based sources it is not easy.  However, they are found in abundance in animal flesh; if you eat carnivorously you are not going to be short of any of them.

Fruits have a very small amount of protein per unit of caloric intake.  Green vegetables, on the other hand, tend to be so energy-sparse that their protein (and other nutrient) levels, while low per unit of volume are quite high per calorie.

For example broccoli has more ascorbate (Vitamin C) in it than oranges do.  By quite a lot.  Indeed, eating green vegetables like broccoli is fully effective in providing your requirement for ascorbate.  However, it is nearly impossible to consume enough calories to sustain life were you to attempt to live on green vegetables.  You would be eating all the time, basically requiring the intake of a 5 gallon paint bucket full of same on a daily basis.

Nobody will, can or does do that.  Among other things you couldn't afford it in either time or money.

Those who eat LCHFMP do not eschew all carbohydrates.  That is a common lie peddled by those who claim we're all going to die while peddling their nonsense.  Indeed someone who is eating LCHFMP will frequently consume more fiber than someone eating a carbohydrate-rich diet!  The reason is that essentially all a LCHFMP eater's carb intake is comprised of green vegetables, they have a high fiber content and very few calories, so even relatively large (by volume) quantities of them comprise a small percentage of caloric intake.

Then there is this bilgewater:

“The key is: whole grain, go organic whenever possible so you’re not getting pesticides and all the processed crap,” she said.

Oh, so it's all about the "pesticides" eh?  Uh, organic pesticides are used on organic crops and organic chemicals are some of the nastiest around.  Never took organic chem in college did you?  Whole grains?  Why?  There's little in them other than calories -- that is, sugar as far as your gut is concerned.

The keto diet was initially designed to help people who suffer from seizure disorders but has become trendy weight loss diet in recent years, Women's Health reported.

Meh.  Ketogenic diets were part and parcel of many cultures.  The Inuit, who had near zero obesity, diabetes and heart disease, ate ketogenic (all they had was seal and fish) nearly all the time.  When they added carbs they blew up like balloons and now have some of the highest rates of obesity, heart disease and diabetes on the planet.  Their body chemistry didn't change in a few decades - what they ate did.

The diet causes people to go into ketosis, which encourages the body to burn fat due to the lack of carbs being eaten.

This is flat-out backwards.

For your body to consume the fat that is on itself you must enter ketosis to some degree.  Nutritional ketosis is simply a result of the consumption of fat on your body; the process of converting it to ATP (which is the actual energy your cells run on) releases ketones, thus the name "ketosis."  They can be detected in your urine with simple and cheap test strips should you wish to look (assuming they're there of course); there are also blood test strips that are materially more-accurate but they're much more expensive.

The reason you must enter a ketogenic state to some degree to lose fat on your body is that it is easier for your body to burn glucose than fats, and thus it will preferentially do so if both are available.  This arrangement of biology is why we survive when there are gaps in our food intake capability; if the body's energy cycle was not preferentially biased in this fashion you could not survive a fast as you'd die as soon as your carbohydrate stores were consumed.

There is only a tiny amount -- about a teaspoon -- of glucose in your blood at any given time.  Your body continually processes both fats and carbohydrates to regulate blood sugar levels.  The failure of that regulatory process results in diabetes.

The body stores carbohydrates in the form of glycogen, which in turn can be taken up by the muscles and liver.  However, muscle storage is local; that is, once glycogen is taken up and stored in a muscle it cannot be re-mobilized into the blood because muscle tissue lacks the enzyme required to do so.  Your liver, on the other hand, has that enzyme so it can release glycogen as required.

The total amount of glycogen storage in your body is very limited.  Depending on your muscle mass you have somewhere in the 1,400-2,000 calorie range of glycogen storage available, and another 400 calories or so in the liver.

This is only enough energy for two days of rest at most and one day of moderately-active exertion. 

A 150lb person (~70kg), however, who has 10% body fat (that would be an athletic man) carries 7 kilograms of fat.  Fat contains 9 calories/gram so that person has over 60,000 calories of energy available to his body in fat, some 30 times what can be stored in glycogen.  An obese person is carrying much more.

When your glycogen stores are full if you have more carbohydrate in your gut there are only two possibilities -- you can fail to absorb the intake (you crap it out, basically) or your body converts the extra carbohydrate intake to fat and stores it.  The latter is weight gain.  For every 3,000 - 3,500 extra calories of carbohydrate intake when your glycogen stores are full you will gain one pound of body mass.

Therefore if you wish to lose weight you must deplete your glycogen stores.

If you do not wish to gain weight you must never completely fill your glycogen stores.

Note that the average person can, in a single sitting, trivially fill those stores -- 1,800 calories can be easily taken in via a single meal.  If you do so and material amounts of carbohydrate are present you will gain weight.

This is biology, not belief.

Finally, and this is very important, "fast" carbohydrates stimulate a large insulin production by your pancreas; they have to or your blood would go out of range on blood glucose and you would die.  This is very bad however, because when that insulin spike wears off your body now has plenty of fuel but no enzymes to metabolize it and thus you get ravenously hungry.

It is nearly impossible to resist the temptation to raid the refrigerator or pantry in that condition, and since modern humans in the developed world tend to have plenty of things they can eat in said refrigerator they will.

Further, you cannot outrun your fork.  A mile of running or walking consumes approximately 100 calories.  That's one small cookie!  If you try to exercise your way to weight loss you will fail because you can trivially consume more calories than you exercise off through any rational method.

It is a fact that nearly everyone who tries to voluntarily restrict the intake of food fails.  They don't fail because they're "weak", they fail because they eat foods that habitually make them hungry.  Those foods contain fast carbohydrates -- grains of any type, white vegetable material (rice, potatoes, etc) and sugars.  They promote a large insulin spike and then an hour or two later you get ravenously hungry.

It is further a fact that while organic foods may have some superior qualities they are 2-3x as expensive.  Most people of ordinary means simply cannot afford them.  Jacking your food bill from ~10% of your income to 20-30% is outrageous and will put most people into the poorhouse.  The celebrity, rich ******* who doesn't give a crap because she spends one percent of her income on food is not you and those who pontificate on that crap deserve an asteroid landing on their house this evening from the galaxy in retaliation for that elitist snobbery.  Never mind that organic foods still have pesticides used on them, they're just organic chemicals (and those are equally nasty if not worse than inorganic ones.)

Want some answers?  Click here and start reading backward -- yes, it will take you a bit of time.  If you want just one article from the series (I know, nobody likes to take time) make it this one.

The price you pay from doing so may well be that your pants fall off.

Go to responses (registration required to post)
 



 
Comments.......
User: Not logged on
Login Register Top Blog Top Blog Topics FAQ
Showing Page 1 of 2  First12Last
User Info Oh Do Shut Up in forum [Market-Ticker]
Flappingeagle
Posts: 2940
Incept: 2011-04-14

Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
That article is just a buzzword-fest of bull****. A lot like the rest of life in the USSA today.

Flap

----------
Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
No sign that housing, equities, or farmland are in a bubble- Yellen 11/14/13
Trying to leave the Rat Race to the rats...
Marquiri
Posts: 40
Incept: 2015-02-24

Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
Here's a follow up question for you. And I only ask because there are so many different opinions from all the different keto "experts" around the web. As someone who is powerlifting 3 times a week and looking to increase muscle mass, how different should my keto diet look than someone who is looking to lose/maintain weight? I suspect I need a bit more protein, but there seems to be no consensus as to how much. As always, I love the posts about diet.
Greenrebellion
Posts: 526
Incept: 2009-01-03

Los Angeles
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
You are dead on about "organic."

I grow apples with a holistic approach, which means I don't even use most of the organic approved methods. For example, antibiotics are (or at least were until a couple of years ago) approved as organic methods. Copper and sulfur are also heavily used organic approved options and those can be quite toxic to soil and microbial life.

Bagbalm
Posts: 5588
Incept: 2009-03-19

Just North of Detroit
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
This is the same fuzzy-headed thinking from people who have no understanding of chemistry who sell you hair conditioner based on the premise you have to FEED your dead hair. Smear all the avocado in the world on your hair and it will never eat a gram of it. It just doesn't WORK that way.
Tickerguy
Posts: 155624
Incept: 2007-06-26
A True American Patriot!
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
@Marquiri -
Quote:
Here's a follow up question for you. And I only ask because there are so many different opinions from all the different keto "experts" around the web. As someone who is powerlifting 3 times a week and looking to increase muscle mass, how different should my keto diet look than someone who is looking to lose/maintain weight? I suspect I need a bit more protein, but there seems to be no consensus as to how much. As always, I love the posts about diet.

IMHO the way I'd approach this would be to get some ketostix (which detect ketones in the urine) and add protein until those stop registering, then just SLIGHTLY back off from there.

Excessive protein is converted to glucose, and then to glycogen, which does you no good at all (and can be WORSE than carbs, since that metabolic cycle places additional stress on the kidneys. For most people this is not a problem but if you have an underlying kidney condition that you're unaware of it could get very bad very fast.) However, a SHORTAGE of protein while attempting to build muscle mass (e.g. by power lifting) will result in (at best) a failure to perform as expected, and MIGHT result in material damage (e.g. your body cannibalizing other muscles to "feed" the ones you are working.)

The exact amount you must add in terms of additional protein can't be given to you as a formula, but it can be measured since if your body is converting protein to glucose and you are not consuming carbohydrate that conversion will result in your body not excreting ketones. I would therefore approach it that way and stay right on the edge of the negative test. That's the cheap, easily-available way to know (the other very clear way to know would be insulin level testing but that's both invasive since it needs a blood draw and expensive.)

----------
Winding it down.
Aracoma
Posts: 38
Incept: 2015-02-17

Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
Marquiri - I would look at the Ketogains FAQ. This is located at https://www.reddit.com/r/ketogains/wiki/.... - the actual website itself is https://www.ketogains.com/.
Mangymutt
Posts: 795
Incept: 2015-05-03

Vancouver WA
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
She must be a graduate of the Meryl Streep school of science.

I sit here shamelessly admitting, I would pay much better attention to Jillian Michaels if she conducted these interviews naked, but that is just me.

If you can grow produce or raise the animals you want to eat yourself, you should get a better product than the mass grown stuff you get at the local grocery. But the vast majority of people do not have the time, money or resources to do so. If you actually know the person growing "organics" and are willing to drive to them when that product is available and pay the premium for knowing where your food is coming from, great.

For the rest of us the best thing we can do is just by off the shelf produce. The whole "organic" thing is such a tangled web of stupid rules that most "farmers" manipulate. If the farmers aren't willing to pay extra to get something organic, that says a lot. So why should you?

Marquiri
Posts: 40
Incept: 2015-02-24

Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
Thanks Karl. I've used Ketostix in the past (way back when I first started with Keto). I'll have to pick up some new ones and see where I stand. At this point I'm pretty sure that I'm over-consuming protein, so I'll have to back it down for a week or so to get back into ketosis and go from there. As I understand it, at some point when you have been in ketosis for an extended period, your body stops or significantly reduces excretion of ketones in the urine, so ketostix will show a false negative for presence of ketones. Is that accurate?
Wakeupcall
Posts: 5340
Incept: 2009-06-08

Hampton Roads, VA
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
She is desperate. She has spent her entire life selling fiction. Many like her, who sell diet plans, suppliments, exercise videos, money for guest appearances etc..., have relied on sick, fat, uneducated and uninformed consumers. They are lashing out, just as the liberals are lashing out, because they see their income stream coming to an end. Keto doesnt need suppliments or powders or exercise videos or diet books. Just spend some time on yourtube, do your own research, read the thousands upon thousands of testimonials and make your own decision. It helps if you have the basic premise that .gov always lies and is in the business of propping up corporations, not citizens. Once you start with that premise, you question everything.

The smart barkers have already jumped on the keto bandwagon. Not necessarily because they believe in it, but so they can sell keto powders and stix and books to those who dont really know what they are doing. These consumers are eating lean meats, no healthy fats, and will fail because you cant maintain a diet long teem under those conditions. Whatever. You cant fix stupid.

But as more and more people succeed...and i have never seen a diet where so many people were so successful, things will change; and alot of people in the health industry will be out of business. This has also go to be hurting fast food and restaurants. Our family used to eat out, counting dh lunches, 6-7 times a week, easy. Now? Rarely. Dh brown bags it most days, or buys a bagged salad and ham and keeps in the frig at work. I have eaten out maybe 5 times in the last 20 months. And when i did, it was wendys chili, chicken nuggets from chick fil a, and onc I splurged on chinese beef and broccoli, no rice. Our eating out budget went from approx 700 a month to maybe $20 a month. Thats got to be hurting someone...hint...its not me lol! Our grocery bill also went down. I used to buy lots of processed meats, like chicken voila, tv dinners, chips, just junk. Now, it is streamlined. Which makes shopping easier. Stuff to make a big batch of salad every 3 days, chicken thighs and wings, hamburger and steaks, broccoli, bok choy, eggs, bacon, sausage, nuts to snack on, and double fiber bread. Still get a little fruit too, bit not alot.

She is behind the bell curve on this one. I lay odds in 6 months she will come out with a new book, Keto and Healthy, the right diet plan for you! And idiots will buy it.

----------
"Make America Free Again" Me
"The strongest memory is weaker than the palest ink" Chinese proverb
"The enemy of my enemy is my candidate" Random commenter
"We have the government we deserve"
Comrader
Posts: 350
Incept: 2010-06-10

pa
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
i have been on and off lchf since the 1970's when i saw dr. atkins on the merv griffin show. (90% of the time on). never weighed more than 10lbs more than i do right now. 5'7"and 140lbs. i have been in very good health and at one point had not been to a doctor for 30 years. the last two years i have had arthritis in my neck that is constant. doctors have been no help. in july 2018 i heard jordon peterson on joe rogan talk about the carnivore diet and the wonders it did for his and his daughters arthritis. i decided to give it a try. from the 4th of july until christmas i ate only beef, mostly steak or burgers. it did not work for the neck pain. i do think it gave me more energy. i had been walking 3 miles 4 to 5 times a week, but in july i started running the 3 miles. pretty slow at first.by october i was running every day and was sprinting the last mile. since i started back on just the lchfmp diet i find it a little harder to run every day (some weeks only 2 to 3 days). it could be the cold weather and shorter days of winter. guess i have to live with the neck pain.
Tickerguy
Posts: 155624
Incept: 2007-06-26
A True American Patriot!
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
Quote:
Thanks Karl. I've used Ketostix in the past (way back when I first started with Keto). I'll have to pick up some new ones and see where I stand. At this point I'm pretty sure that I'm over-consuming protein, so I'll have to back it down for a week or so to get back into ketosis and go from there. As I understand it, at some point when you have been in ketosis for an extended period, your body stops or significantly reduces excretion of ketones in the urine, so ketostix will show a false negative for presence of ketones. Is that accurate?

Not in my experience.

It's been amusing when I've been properly preparing for some sort of significant race (e.g. half-marathon), finish, come home and******on one of those sticks....... "I'm one with the purple and the purple is with me!"

----------
Winding it down.
Click
Posts: 392
Incept: 2017-06-26

Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
"There are so many different opinions from all the different keto experts around the web."

You got that right. And lots of controversy.

Moreover, it's become big business. And where money is involved bias and misinformation flourishes. The controversy has also become political. The meat-is-murder types hate ketogenic diet(s) for ideological reasons; therefore, it's impossible to trust somebody who is trying to make the facts fit their desired outcome.

To make matters even more confusing, there are "modified ketogenic diets". Some of these diets produce impressive results --- if you believe the "expert(s)". Some have a higher ratio protein than the "classic" 75% fat/ 20% protein/5% carb mixture. Some of the diets now recommend loading carbs three times per week just before workouts.

There are exogenous ketone preparations, i.e., the latest controversy.

Then there are the long-term studies. The best one I've read was done by the University of Oslo.

Yeah, I agree: there are ****ing experts everywhere. And they are a god-damn dime a dozen.

My own personal opinion is this: each individual has to figure out what combination of many factors works best for him/her, e.g., diet, exercise, sleep habits, stress control, clean air, pure water, personal relationships and working conditions. And whatever road gets you fit and in good health is fine by me.

One thing I do know for sure: there is a growing number of people who are having fabulous results with ketogenic diet(s). It is a good idea to reduce or totally eliminate refined sugar, complex carbohydrates and processed, packaged and canned foods.

For those of you who want an excellent food that I've used almost all of my life, here is a recipe for Pemmican: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=yout....

You can modify the above Pemmican to 75% fat/25% protein or the classic 50/50... And best of all you can do it yourself very cheaply and know exactly what quality you're getting... The history of Pemmican is actually quite interesting, so check it out...
Marquiri
Posts: 40
Incept: 2015-02-24

Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
@Aracoma

Thanks for the tip. That's a lot to digest!

@Tickerguy

That's interesting. I suppose the results probably vary from person to person. Some time back, when my wife was first trying keto (and I have been doing keto for many months), we both tested urine. She had a deep purple, and I showed no presence of ketones in my urine. And this wasn't a case where I was eating more carbs than I was thinking, or anything of that nature. I have the Precision Xtra that can measure blood ketone levels, and that gave me more accurate results. Unfortunately, those test strips are just not cost effective. I'm hoping with the rise in popularity of the keto diet that the market will bring down the cost of breath/blood measurement devices.
Marquiri
Posts: 40
Incept: 2015-02-24

Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
@ Click

I'm a backpacker, or at least an aspiring one, (I did two trips last summer) and I prepared my own pemmican for both of those trips. I used Lex Rooker's pemmican manual that's widely available on the web. I did the classic 50/50 by weight preparation. It was a lot of work/time dehydrating/processing the beef. I actually broke my kitchenaid mixer (using the meat grinder attachement), and had to finish processing the dried beef in my Vitamix. I didn't season it during prep, but I did add salt to the finished product prior to putting it in my mouth. It worked for me, although nobody else around me ever has any interest in putting it near their mouth.

If you have any good suggestions for dehydration of the beef, I'm all ears. The light bulb/cardboard box works (I was able to dehydrate 8-10 pounds at a time), but it takes days and days and I'm still not sure it was dehydrated as much as it should have been.
Wakeupcall
Posts: 5340
Incept: 2009-06-08

Hampton Roads, VA
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
I stalled from weight loss for 3 months. I was doing everything right, no carb creep, no hidden carbs, recorded everything i was eating. So i got hold of a nutritionist in northern va who specialized in low carb and keto diets. She looked over what i was eating and said to lower fat to 60-65% and increase protein from the approx 80 grams i was eating, to 110. Dropped another 40 lbs immediately. I still have to tinker with it every few months. Its like my body is waging war against my will. My will has already won this, my body just hasnt figured it out yet, lol. March will be 2 years on keto. I am never going back; even then I hit my ideal weight.

----------
"Make America Free Again" Me
"The strongest memory is weaker than the palest ink" Chinese proverb
"The enemy of my enemy is my candidate" Random commenter
"We have the government we deserve"
Drifter
Posts: 195
Incept: 2016-02-11

Pacific Northwest
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
Some surprises, for me, on my 3rd year of mostly keto: body's response to carbs has improved-- blood glucose drops faster; fasting blood glucose has dropped from the 120's to a 95 average; and, I have more energy than ever.

I never expected my body would be healing itself after 5 decades of sugar abuse.

Keto has transformed Jenna Jameson, btw. She's dropped 80lbs.

Tickerguy
Posts: 155624
Incept: 2007-06-26
A True American Patriot!
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
Quote:
I never expected my body would be healing itself after 5 decades of sugar abuse.

Yep. It does. It takes a good long time, but it does.

----------
Winding it down.
Tat668
Posts: 3078
Incept: 2007-09-09
A True American Patriot!
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
@Comrader.. I have primary arthritis and was at one point, about 8 years ago, have knees that complain for each step I took; both knees were hot and swollen. I could not clench a fist and each and every one of my hands knuckles were red and enlarged.

Today, I walk of hours and weightlift to keep my strength up; no more swollen joints. This is what I use daily that improved my condition. BioCell Collagen with 100mg of Hyaluronic Acid from Vitacost, 3 caps in the morning and 3 caps at night on empty stomach. There are lots of company that buys this raw material from BioCell and sell as their own brand, so shop for best price. I stock up when they have buy one and one at 50% off. After I injured my knee I added on two more additions, one is Glucosamine Sulfate 3 grams in the morning and same at night. Vitacost has this in 1000mg per cap. the second item is L-Carnosine 500mg caps, one in the morning with the other two supplements. All of these are food supplements and not some sort of miracle drugs.

Give that a try, and by the way more protein grows muscle, starvation prompt body to heal, so you may want to check out the intermediate fasting; Dr. Jason Fung of Canada has lots of good info on that subject. I eat .5 gram to .75 gram of protein per kilo gram of lean body tissue, and a lot of days I eat a lot less than that. 1 to 1.5 gram is what I remember for healthy growing body. I do eat lots of leafy veggie, and I eat eggs and bacon in my soup where I cook my veggie. Cut the bacon up into small pieces and let simmer for 5 t 10 minutes with veggie, then put the egg in minus shell after the soup is ready, turn down heat and let sit for 5 to 6 minutes.

I use bone broth for the base, 12 pounds of hoof, hide, and bones in my 25 quart American canning pressure cooker, filled to 70 to 80 percent; 15 pound of pressure for 8 to 12 hours in two separate sessions. I remove all the fats after 2 hours, let cool, open and scoop away the fats, reseal and cook the rest of the day before I turn in. I used to leave the fats in, but cooking it long period in pressure cooker gives the broth a bad taste. I also add herb in with the hoofs and salt to taste. One precaution, no vinegar in the aluminum pot. After cool down I use 1/2 gallon mason jars to keep them in frig. Add water to base broth to make soup with anything I want to eat.

----------
"This marks the beginning of the end."- Barack Obama 2-26-09

"Every rock we turn over, every time we looked for it, it's not only there, it's worse than we anticipated."
Bill Priestap, FBI's counterintelligence division
Vernonb
Posts: 2300
Incept: 2009-06-03

East of Sheol
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
Do a seach for Jillian Micheals with the word scam and fraud and see what shows up.
Evidently her credentials are even under challenge from the gay/lesbian community.

Appears to be more of an actress than an actually trained and certified fitness professional.

----------
"Mass intelligence does not mean intelligent masses."
Comrader
Posts: 350
Incept: 2010-06-10

pa
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
tat668, thanks for your advice, i will look those things up and give it a try!
Tat668
Posts: 3078
Incept: 2007-09-09
A True American Patriot!
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
Comrader.. hope that helps. There are a couple of friends parents that have arthritis that prevent them from leaving their home, and a few weeks on the supplements and they were able to do grocery on their own.

----------
"This marks the beginning of the end."- Barack Obama 2-26-09

"Every rock we turn over, every time we looked for it, it's not only there, it's worse than we anticipated."
Bill Priestap, FBI's counterintelligence division
Click
Posts: 392
Incept: 2017-06-26

Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
Marquiri:

Tip #1 Don't overload your food processor, especially if it's cheap, underpowered piece of Chinese ****. Cut the meat in thin strips. Thin strips dry out more efficiently. Cut meat against the grain. Doing that reduces the stress on your food processor.

Tip #2 Practice safe food handling techniques: https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsi....

Tip #3 Don't give up. Practice makes perfect. I learned how to make Pemmican on a wood stove, in a smokehouse and with a metate and mano. I've also done it out in the field many times. Mtis processed large amounts of Pemmican, so do a little homework and I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Lastly, keep on hiking, and not just in the summertime. Snowshoeing is also a great way to experience the great outdoors. Just be aware that snowshoeing is perhaps the most strenuous activity there is. Especially if you're carrying a backpack for winter hunting, trapping and/or camping. So start out slow --- real slow --- and don't go too far out where you might suffer from exhaustion and freeze to death until you gain experience and learn cold-weather survival skills....
Burya_rubenstein
Posts: 1440
Incept: 2007-08-08

Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
Could I ask at what speed you're basing that 100 kcal mile?

I've given a try at deriving the power requirements of running. There are two components: forward and up. The way most people run as far as I know is to push oneself off the ground and forward eack step. The equation I got for the up component is W' = m g^2 / (8 f) where m is your mass, g is the gravity strength, and f is the number of steps per second. (I can post the derivation if you like.) For a 160 pound runner making two steps a second that works out to about 1700 watts. This would be consistemt with using 100 kcal in four minutes, assuming negligible power required for the forward component, and 100 percent food to muscle effort conversion efficiency. Some googling a while back revealed that muscles have about the same efficiency as internal combustion engines: from 20 to 25 percent.

It IS theoretically possible to develop a running technique in which at least one foot is always on the ground (so as to eliminate the up part of the power requirement) or which uses more footfalls per second. Still, most people don't appear to be using such a technique when out running or jogging.

I do agree that most people won't be able to outrun their forks this way. But it's likely because they won't actually be able to finish running that mile due to glycogen depletion.
Tickerguy
Posts: 155624
Incept: 2007-06-26
A True American Patriot!
Report This As A Bad Post Add To Your Ignored User List
The 100kcal/mi is speed-invariant for the most part. It does have a decent degree of variance in it to the positive side (e.g. if you're heavy then it's higher of course as the loss due to vertical travel is higher.) When I started running again and was considerably heavier I was seeing around 120kc/mi. Now it's much closer to 100 than 120.

I have a fairly decent amount of data over a good period of time from my Garmin gear -- the chest strap I use has accelerometers in it on three axis and thus can and does measure quite a bit of dynamic data in real time. It uses this (plus your body mass) to produce an estimate of energy consumption over baseline for a given workout.

This is one of my recent 5 mile runs; claimed energy consumption (over baseline metabolic requirement) was 524kc. I've used Garmin gear for long enough at this point, along with paying attention to what I ate and logging it for a decent amount of time as well, that the figures it produces appear to be correct within a reasonable measurement uncertainty.
Inline

----------
Winding it down.

Login Register Top Blog Top Blog Topics FAQ
Showing Page 1 of 2  First12Last