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2018-12-03 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Did They Really Get Something Done?
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The news out of the G-20 is that China's Xi has "agreed" to list fentanyl as a controlled substance in China.

Think about this folks -- in China, up until now, it was legal to manufacture and ship fentanyl to places they knew had banned it -- including the United States?

Really?

Am I supposed to cheer this development or should I request a few nukes be dropped on Beijing for their decade long provision of this poison to the United States and should I request a second set for DC since the clown-car brigade in both parties gave and maintained "free trade" status with a nation that has been and is intentionally sticking the middle finger up in the air at all the people were murdering here in America?

70,000 of them last year, may I note.

Quit blowing smoke up my ass.  While I am happy for any progress in getting this scourge out of the United States -- don't get me wrong -- anyone who thinks we've made a big difference in this instance has rocks in their head.  Never mind that I saw nothing about a timeline or enforcement guarantees.

The latter is, of course, critical.

If you don't stop the shipment of this crap then nothing matters.  Stopping the shipment means screening outbound packages, an end to "tariff and inspection-free" shipping systems like the ePacket garbage, and real enforcement on the Chinese end -- none of which is going to happen.

In other words it's a nice "gesture" and -- unfortunately - nothing more.

Just watch -- there should be a near-complete cessation of this crap coming into the US immediately, as nearly all of it comes from China, if this is real.  There won't be, and thus you'll have your answer -- it was all BeeEss.

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A few months ago I went to a funeral. A bright, handsome young man with everything going for him overdosed. He left a wife and adorable 5 year old daughter. I know he screwed up by trying that filth in the first place, but, still a horrible price for a cheap TV.

The young man's Mom is one of my dearest friends. I could barely attend the viewing and see her sitting next to the dead husk of her kid.

This crap is a Bioweapon disguised as a fun drug.
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I find it highly likely that nothing really got signed or formally agreed to, and all we are getting from the Trumpster is hot air.

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I suspect if you got a perfectly honest answer of the elitists in private they would sniff and say: That's really not the sort of citizens we want anyway, is it?
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The Chinese are noted for having long memories. As I recall from one of my community college political science classes, the first American flagged ship arrived in China in the late 1700s. Its cargo was Turkish opium. Most Americans do not know this, but I bet that the Chinese elite does.
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This "agreement" is a good example of why I supported (and continue to support) Donald Trump. The fact is DT is better than Hillary. Is really is just as simple as that. But there's a bonus. DT is so hated by the Leftys that Trump keeps them busy. Even when Trump attempts to do one of his deals, the Leftys are so blinded by hate that nothing really gets done.

DT is hated by the Bushes (including the one who just died) and all of the RINOs. That in and by itself was and is worth my support. And it doesn't matter how much DT tries to make peace with the RINOs and the Dirty Dems, because this fight is to the death.

By the way, it's OK to blame Trump for the ongoing drug problem; however, the Bushes (including the dead ones) are more culpable and so is Obama. Moreover, the individuals who choose to risk ingesting drugs (including alcohol) are ultimately responsible. Without market demand, China doesn't have a product to sell us. So not even the Chinese are mostly to blame.

The drunks and druggies (including the ones in my family who are already buried) reaped what they sowed. It's the cold, hard reality. And, yes, ignorance is very cruel. A lot of otherwise nice people are dead just because they didn't know how dangerous it is to buy drugs off from the street. It's a lesson learned the hard way. But we don't have to learn it that way, and neither do our children. The odds are much better if we take the time to raise our own children instead of letting the public schools do that.

I hope Trump follows through with making fentanyl more difficult to aquire, but in the end it's up to the user. And a user who really wants to will find a source; that's been my experience all of my life as I watched childhood friends ruin thier lives by abusing drugs.
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The problem is that this "agreement" has no specifics, no enforcement provisions and thus is just bloviating. That the left will foam (more) at the mouth doesn't change any of those facts.

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Of course it doesn't! These gimmicks are largely just for show.
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A lot of otherwise nice people are dead just because they didn't know how dangerous it is to buy drugs off from the street.


it didn't use to be this way before fentanyl. Yea people ODed, but not like you're seeing now. This is nonsense.

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I hope Trump follows through with making fentanyl more difficult to aquire,


I'd rather see him make it easier to acquire. In laboratory measured doses over the counter from pharmacies at cut-rate prices.

Not the russian roulette bull**** addicts have to go through now.
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I'll take how many billions of dollars flow through the USA a year in illegal drug trade, Alex!

Trump is a blow hard! This means nothing.

As long as a profit can be made, it will be made full stop.

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Trump's USMCA was just another blovialed deal, too. And the Wall? Will that stop the drugs? No. But it makes the Leftys "foam", which is more than anybody has done in a long, long time.

My support of Trump is rooted in basically the hope that the Leftys finally make their move in a big way instead of doing two steps forward and one step back. What is their move? Marxism. The Leftys want the guns and they want to tax the air you and I breathe right along with everything else. It's been obvious to me for decades what the Dirty Dems and the Bush-DeepState-CIA Republicans want, viz., more and more and more control over what has now become The American Empire.

Trump got elected Caesar instead of Hillary, and that's really what all the foaming is all about. The ensuing power struggle which is now taking place IS the PRIMARY reason WHY I supported Trump, i.e., because I've always known that the best I could hope for is that the political class will tear each other's throats out in an epic power struggle.

Look at France. I think the economic and political conflagration starts in Euroland and the EU goes fully blown Marxism. Why? Because they don't have a nationalist like DT. So, in my opinion Trump has made it possible for Americans to watch what happens when the Marxists fully take over all the branches of government. What happens in the EU shall be America's last warning.

I'm hoping the EU burns while Trump is still president. And I hope the Marxists rise up and make their final push all at once. Fentanyl isn't nearly as deadly as collectivism.
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The error in your thinking is that there is no "final push." Not only can you not kill them all, even if you could you wouldn't (e.g. your MOM might be one) and even if you DID the underlying conditions that lead inevitably to more people adopting the philosophy won't go away either.

In point of fact Trump is making the underlying problem WORSE. Concentration of a good or service always tends that way. 500 Marriott hotels (no matter what shingle is on the door -- same actual brand, just as with Hilton) is ALWAYS much worse than 500 family-run motels. The family-run ones have to compete. The 500 Marriott properties not only don't have to THEY WILL NOT; they will COLLUDE instead, divvying up the market for hotel rooms among themselves with false "price points" that appear to provide choice while in fact doing no such thing.

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"underlying conditions that lead inevitably to more people adopting the philosophy [collectivism] won't go away either"

Yes, this is why history repeats. Human nature is the underlying condition. Because human nature hasn't changed we have another empire in a long history of empires and another caesar, i.e., Trump. And you can't make this **** up. For example, Trump is actually a great name for a Caesar to have and I couldn't think of a better one. Truth is stranger than fiction.

And the truth is that there may not be a final push inasmuch as occurs in a violent revolution. But I prefer a big, final push over decades of gradualism. Nevertheless, Trump might be the one who causes the Leftys to overreact and overreach and push too hard. I'm not saying it'll happen; all I said was basically "foaming" was a good sign. And nobody has achieved even that in a long time.

I've written over and over again that "education" is the only real solution to the underlying problems. When Ayn Rand used the term "ignorant masses" she understood that the "underlying problems" mostly relate to ignorance.

I have no hope whatsoever that the masses will change their nature as they wallow in ignorance. But history is on my side when I say that the best hope of real change that I have is for the political class to be busy tearing each other to pieces and warring with a man like Trump.

By the way, I agree with the libertarians who want all drugs decriminalized. That's the best way to actually deal with the huge drug problem. The next best thing is for Trump to cut the flow from China and Mexico. The way I look at it is if smart guys like Aldous Huxley had drug problems, then even education probably isn't enough for some people not to abuse drugs.

There's no real workable solution that solves drug addiction or ignorance addiction or the fact that **** like Trump floats to the top and "concentrates" leveraged hotels, i.e., Trump Towers. The best we can do is understand the political and business cycle and try to avoid getting crushed.

That's about all I can contribute to this subject.
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In China making, selling, or transporting controlled substances over a certain amount get an soft metal award from the court, delivered to the back of the head via short steel pipe.

I guess it is an impossible dream to have in the reduction of the demand of these feel good substances in our near future, even as the death statistic climbs. May be the soft metal delivery award system can help in removing some of the supply links. A risk to reward type problem!?

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I can't find any information about it but I wouldn't be surprised if they were having problems with fentanyl use in China.

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Fentanyl definitely has the potential to be a WMD. In a recent episode of Jack Ryan, the terrorists planned to inject a powdered substance into the ventilation system of a large building. It could have been a domed sports stadium or a shopping mall, as well. The substance in the show was radioactive cesium, which is a more effective terror weapon, but a nerve agent or powerful drug would probably be more effective in causing mass casualties.
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"I wouldn't be surprised if they were having problems with fentanyl use in China"

No, they don't. Those got caught with the finish product got their soft metal award. There are numerous horror stories of innocent women got tricked to carry finish products through check points, got detained, and pay ultimate price for their ignorance. China export the ingredients that make the final product, someone here needs to finish the job.

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Fentanyl definitely has the potential to be a WMD. In a recent episode of Jack Ryan, the terrorists planned to inject a powdered substance into the ventilation system of a large building. It could have been a domed sports stadium or a shopping mall, as well. The substance in the show was radioactive cesium, which is a more effective terror weapon, but a nerve agent or powerful drug would probably be more effective in causing mass casualties.

Someone with a material quantity of this **** (e.g. a box full) and a pump that can run above water main pressure, along with the correct adapters and such, could HORSE**** a city, if they crapped it into the line in the right place.

The dude and brother that lobotomized himself and got caught, respectively, in the Toronto area with a **** TON of this crap not long ago were likely planning on something exactly of that sort, or to blast it as a powder in a subway station or similar confined space. A small explosive that spread the **** in the air, not big enough to kill by explosive force but enough to make sure everyone in the station got a whiff of the crap) would kill EVERYONE in there.

The mere quantity of the crap those two had made quite clear they weren't simply intending to "deal drugs" and yet the media utterly ignored what HAD to be their true intent.

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I believe fentanyl is the suspected drug used by the russians on the... theater(?) hostage thing about 8-10 years ago.

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Asimov,

It was carfentanil in gas form.
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