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2018-11-05 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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There are many who say you're an "islamaphobe" if you point this out.

They use that label just as they do "racism", as if all Muslims are the same.

They are not.

Islam is a political ideology first and foremost.  It does not at its core simply deal with worship.  It deals with secular behavior and demands sanction be applied if you do not kowtow to its demands.  It is no different than any of the other various political ideologies that have risen over the millennia that have made similar demands, murdering anyone who disagrees.  Waving a religious symbol in front of you while doing such a thing does not change the essential character of it.

There are certainly Muslims, many of them in fact, that consider the faith a means of prayer and invocation, along with a set of guideposts for their personal lives -- and nothing more.  But you'll note one glaring difference between Islam and other religions -- the others condemn or even outright expel those who take a secular behavior enforcement view of their faith -- the David Koresh's, as just one example of many.

The alleged "moderate" Islamic adherent does not.

This is not because some people within the faith might not want to, but because at its core within Islam are principles that make doing so impossible.  Mohammad took a child as a bride and slept with her at around the age of nine while he was approximately fifty years of age.  That makes him a monster by any contemporary standard under secular law.  Yet to declare same as a Muslim is to commit blasphemy, be expelled and risk having a sentence of death be pronounced upon you.  The EU has even ruled recently that pointing this fact out about the Islamic pedophile prophet out is unlawful and not protected as free speech.  Indeed I suspect this post, were it made from the EU, could expose me to criminal prosecution!

Let that sink in folks -- you cannot, in the EU, speak of the truthful nature of the Islamic faith's "face" -- that he was a pedophile who took a child as a bride that could not have, due to her age, freely consented.  To do so in the EU is to commit a crime because the EU has ruled that a religious adherent has a "right" not to have their faith and its founding practitioners questioned.

Unfortunately this leads to intractable division.  You don't hear Islamic sermons claiming that jihadists are in fact not Muslim and are insulting not only the faith but are apostates for to do so is to directly contradict the faith itself.  That's because doing so is considered blasphemy and in many jurisdictions that's a crime carrying a sentence of death even if your speech takes place somewhere else!

Some of the nations that have taken this political ideology as the predicate for their secular laws have nuclear weapons.  One of them is Pakistan.

A Christian woman who was acquitted by Pakistan's Supreme Court after spending eight years on death row for insulting Islam is still being held in an undisclosed location. Her release was delayed after negotiations failed between the government and an extremist religious group that is demanding she be killed.

Asia Bibi's sentence was reversed on Wednesday in Islamabad. Almost simultaneously, followers of a hard-line Pakistani religious group rushed onto major highways across the country to paralyze traffic in protest of the decision.

They called for Bibi to be killed, along with the three Supreme Court judges who issued the verdict. They also called on Pakistani military forces to disobey the army chief of staffs, accusing him of not being a Muslim.

These people are deadly serious.

They intend to, and demand, the murder of anyone who "insults" their religion which includes, according to the EU, making the truthful statement that their prophet was a pedophile.

Further, they demand the murder of any judge who upholds a secular principle of freedom of expression -- including the freedom not to worship and believe as they demand.

Wake up folks -- this is not a new problem.  It has traveled the world -- literally.  It was part and parcel of the Crusades.  It has driven wars over the period of roughly the last 1,000 years.  It will not go away by acquiescence, except complete submission to those who demand it.  Among those demands are secular and sexual slavery of women and children.

This is not a trivial problem to solve, and "kill them all and let God sort 'em out" is not likely to succeed either.  Certainly it hasn't with Afghanistan (both Russia and the US have tried and failed) nor anywhere else.  But to empower such people with trade, access to western technology and to permit them free access to civilized nations is literally insane when their base case demand is that you will behave according to their demands or they will cut your head off -- or worse.

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Thanks KD.

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Agree this ECHR ruling is very worrying. However, it doesn't make it illegal in all of EU to make such comments.

"As the subject matter of the instant case was of a particularly sensitive nature, the domestic authorities had a wide margin of appreciation, as they were in a better position to evaluate which statements were likely to disturb the religious peace in their country."

I believe several EU countries would have rules differently. Denmark, Sweden, and the Netherlands have all abolished their old blasphemy laws.
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DO I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY? EXPLAIN PLEASE!

> The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
> The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
> The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
> The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
> The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
> The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
> The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
> The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
> The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
> The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
> The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
> The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
> The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
> The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
> The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
> The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
> The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
> The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
> The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
> The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
> The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
> The first World Trade Centre Bombers were Muslims
> The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
> The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
> The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

> THINK OF IT!

> Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
> Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
> Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
> Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
> Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
> Confucians living with Bahais = No Problem
> Bahais living with Jews = No Problem
> Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
> Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
> Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
> Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
> Hindus living with Bahais = No Problem
> Bahais living with Christians = No Problem
> Christians living with Jews = No Problem
> Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
> Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
> Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
> Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
> Confucians living with Hindus = No Problem

> *********WHEREAS**************

> Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
> Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
> Muslims living with Christians = Problem
> Muslims living with Jews = Problem
> Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
> Muslims living with Bahais = Problem
> Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
> Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
> MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

> **********SO THIS LEADS TO ****************

> Theyre not happy in Gaza
> Theyre not happy in Egypt
> Theyre not happy in Libya
> Theyre not happy in Morocco
> Theyre not happy in Iran
> Theyre not happy in Iraq
> Theyre not happy in Yemen
> Theyre not happy in Afghanistan
> Theyre not happy in Pakistan
> Theyre not happy in Syria
> Theyre not happy in Lebanon
> Theyre not happy in Nigeria
> Theyre not happy in Kenya
> Theyre not happy in Sudan

> **** SO,WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY? ****

> Theyre happy in Australia
> Theyre happy in England
> Theyre happy in Belgium
> Theyre happy in France
> Theyre happy in Italy
> Theyre happy in Germany
> Theyre happy in Sweden
> Theyre happy in the USA & Canada
> Theyre happy in Norway & India
> Theyre happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!

> And who do they blame? Not Islam Not their leadership Not themselves THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN! And they want to change the countries theyre happy in, to be like the countries they came from, where they were unhappy!

> Im completely stumped


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Along with Marc's question, I would like to know why me not wanting anything to do with islam makes me a racist.
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<quote>But you'll note one glaring difference between Islam and other religions -- the others condemn or even outright expel those who take a secular behavior enforcement view of their faith -- the David Koresh's, as just one example of many.</quote>

I'll give you one that you might or might not be aware of, which unfolded very near where you live (although I think before you moved down there).

Paul J. Hill is the guy who killed an abortionist in Pensacola about 20 years ago. He was formerly an ordained (conservative) Presbyterian minister. He was EXCOMMUNICATED when he began speaking publicly about killing abortionists. That means essentially the same thing in the Presby church as Catholic... it's the closest thing to actual condemnation to Hell that the earthly church can do. Instead of repenting, he murdered, and has since been executed.
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thanks Karl, well said.

essentially this means that they must be ejected from any country from which they do not originate. how could the Western world ever pull that off outside of a major catastrophe.

Europeans always struck me as more knowledgeable regarding their history than Americans, Australians even more so. Do they not learn from the past?

Our mistake as Western world cultures was allowing these dirtbags to get rich from their oil industry. we essentially handed them a fortune outside of which they would be nomads in the desert. all so that we could recycle our dollars through their oil business and export inflation. of course we can thank our cousins for originally drawing the maps. they should know even better, "Britain's will never be slaves," anyone. this is why it is in their anthem.

Australia is the worst when it comes to diluting their native born. is there a suicide gene in the Western world, maybe double recessive, too much inbreeding?

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Nobody has really tried the kill them ALL approach.
It would be expensive and require maintenance for some years for stragglers.
I don't think Americans or Europeans would agree to a general campaign of eradication. They would simply die and allow their civilization to be killed too before being the 'bad guys'.
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@ BagBalm, China is currently getting revved up to do just that.

Japan has quietly resisted.
Easy to do when you are an island.

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Quote:
Along with Marc's question, I would like to know why me not wanting anything to do with islam makes me a racist.


Quite simple, actually. The leftists are the ones spouting this nonsense. Leftists are not known for their ability to understand, use or apply logic. Hence their refutation of anything they don't like is name-calling, or the good ol' standby, "Racist!"

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/farrakhan-....

soo if farrakhan is on tape chanting death in Iran to America can we pleaseeee have a sedition charge?
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How about demonstrating "you first!"

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What would happen if some Wahhabi declared the NOI a cult of Apostates and brought the Sunni vs Shia bloodletting to Chicago?

Sheets and Towels vs Suits and Bow Ties.

Got popcorn?

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It's about time to declare a Holy Crusade and send them packing. the ones that won't leave must be put 6 feet under.

We cannot live with them. Their values are as anti-American and anti-Western Civilization as can possibly be.

Call me whatever you want I don't care. I don't care about muslims or their feelings. **** the mohameddans and the aztecs and the somalians and the chinese and the hindis and the africans.

They don't belong here. Civic nationalism is a failed ideology that flies in the face of genetics and culture. All humans are not the same. HBD (human bio-diversity) is real.

I love my people. I care about my people.

Those others aren't my people and we share no common bonds. Other than Heritage Americans being harnessed to pay for them all.

THEY HAVE TO GO BACK.
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Karl, the "KILL THEM ALL AND LET GOD SORT THEM OUT" works EVERYTIME it is tried and carried thru. Almost all "civilized" politicians cannot comprehend that when someone says that they want to kill you, they actually mean it. "if we just hold hands and sing kumbaya" or some such rot is the only thoughts in their head. Isolate them over there, expel them from here, and lay the rules out clearly (kill one of us, 1 million of you get a new sun). Only require 1 example (maybe 2) [and might I suggest wherever that rock they circle once a year as first to receive canned sunshine]. Sorry, but my give a **** meter broke a long time ago for these animals.
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