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2018-09-13 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Let's cut the crap eh?

Musk was recently on video, in a podcast, smoking weed.

Marijuana is illegal under Federal Law.  The current consumption of same is an instant, automatic and always bar to a security clearance.  It does not matter if it's legal to consume marijuana for recreational or medical purposes under State law when it comes to Federal matters.

Prior use of weed is not always a disqualifying act but current consumption of any federally-illegal drug (or abuse of any drug, legal or not) is.  Period.

There is a man here in the local area who was employed by a federal contractor and who was using non-mind-altering CBD under a doctor's advice, legally, here in Florida.  He was just recently fired in the last couple of months for consuming legal, medical, non-psychoactive CBD and in his particular case, according to local media, his job had no direct security clearance implications.

You can disagree if you want but those are the rules -- no consumption of any cannabinoid products are permitted if you do work for the Federal Government under contract nor may you hold a security clearance if you consume these products whether under medical advice or not.

So how does Musk's company Space-X have any Air Force contracts and how does he hold a security clearance, which he apparently does, and why wasn't that clearance immediately revoked?

**** you Donald Trump and **** you Federal Government -- all of you.  Nobody gets away with that crap that is in the "general population" and is an "ordinary person."  This sort of "special treatment" because you have a billion dollars and are a flaming, five-alarm ******* is why I pray for an asteroid strike on DC every single evening before going to bed.

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He is also a pilot and should lose his license.
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We're praying for the same asteroid.

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I'll pray for a second asteroid. Double Tap to make sure.
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Do as we say, not as we do seems quite prevalent these days.
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As most people, I do not care what Musk or just about anybody else does on their private time. At the same time when your livelihood depends on following certain rules, it is beyond foolish to announce to the world you do not give a crap about any rules.

If you are a politician, teacher, preacher or anyone else who chooses to be in the public eye you have a duty and expectation to act in a way to gain the trust of said public. You want to drink, do so at home, with friends or even out at dinner. But do not drive and put the public you profess to protect at risk by your behaviors.

Musk wants to pretend he is all that, wants the public to believe he is smarter than them, he wants not only the public, but the government to believe in him so much that they will give him their money. Money he needs to survive. If Mush was on his own property, sheltered and out of the eye of the public and someone had invaded his privacy to show a picture of him smoking dope, I personally would have a great amount of sympathy for him.

However: The idiot decided to go out into the public for the world to see that he can shoot whiskey and smoke weed at the same time. He is a flaming IDIOT! As a shareholder, bond holder, worker or whoever that has given time and or money to this man, you would have to start questioning him. If he cares so little about following the rules he agreed to, how much less does he care about my investment in him.

Yup, he is an idiot. I know the world does not work in this way, but those that are now fully aware how little Musk cares about his own company are bigger fools for still giving him their money and yes this includes Uncle Stupid
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NOTE: I believe that the fed gov't is basically just a den of crooks, and I am NOT trying to defend/justify the outrageous double standard, only to set it in context as it might apply in Musk's case.

Something like this is nothing new. There have been many "wink, wink, nod, nod" exceptions made to laws that have been made specifically "for the convenience of gov't". When the issues have come to light, they are generally given legal approval ("legal" according to courts, NOT necessarily right or just)

Some examples: lots of known criminals not arrested or prosecuted who act as informants to the FBI (e.g., in the Whitey Bulger case and many others), former AG Eric Holder stating that major corporations (and/or their executives) could not always be held to full account for their transgressions because doing so could cause undue economic harm, not just to the firm but to the greater economy, Wernher von Braun (and other Nazis known to be or suspected of being war criminals) allowed to stay in country and not face any legal consequences because of the "importance" of their work to the gov't, Reinhard Gehlen (and members of his org) working for the CIA following WWII because of the value of their intelligence compiled about the SU, etc.

It is just possible that Musk will be given a pass just because of the perceived value of SpaceX to the gov't and the belief by some that SpaceX would fall apart without him. I personally don't believe it would, but there appear to be a lot of Musk fanbois within the gov't.

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Musk has been on a path to self destruction for a while. I keep hoping he'll get some brilliant idea like being the first man on the sun.

Spacex is in practice for galactic drug running.

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This is how the cool kids run their companies. Didn't you know that? Their rules are different than ours!

I wonder what type of suicide is in his future?


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All true and spot on Karl!

And this one just popped up:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/1....
U.S. official: Canadian marijuana users, workers and investors risk lifetime border ban
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Canadians who work in the marijuana industry and those who invest in the booming pot sector risk a lifetime ban on travel to the U.S., according to a senior official overseeing U.S border operations.
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Our officers are not going to be asking everyone whether they have used marijuana, but if other questions lead there or if there is a smell coming from the car, they might ask, Owen said. Likewise, marijuana residue, which can linger for weeks inside a car, could be detected by CBP inspection dogs and lead to further questioning, he noted. If asked about past drug use, travelers should not lie, he said. If you lie about it, thats fraud and misrepresentation, which carries a lifetime ban, Owen said.

If a traveler admits to past use of any illegal drugs, including marijuana, the traveler will be found to be inadmissible into the United States. CBP typically will allow them the opportunity to voluntary withdraw from the border or face an expedited removal. Whether or not the traveler enters the U.S., a record will be kept by CBP and that traveler will not be allowed to return to the U.S. The traveler will have the opportunity to apply for a waiver from a lifetime ban, which costs U.S. $585 and requires several months to process. The waivers are issued at the discretion of CBP.

So essentially, if you lie about it (and I suppose they catch you somehow) - a lifetime ban. If you tell the truth that you have used in the past - lifetime ban.

This has the potential to 'back hole' ream a whole bunch of folks.

Yet another reason to de-schedule cannabinoid products . . .


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Yeah, I saw that.

The real fun comes when you go over there, get stoned and COME BACK.

God help you if you have anything in the vehicle -- even just residue. Doggie hits on it (and you KNOW there will be one for EVERY lane) and you're ****ed; they'll rip the car apart looking for it. ****, a friend of mine some 30+ years ago had HIS car ripped apart on mere suspicion and he had NOTHING -- no real reason either -- and they left him with the seats on the sidewalk and said "have a nice day!" Think it'll be better -- uh, no.

Actually HAVE something and you're double-plus-****ed.

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did someone say musk has a pilot's license. i have a federal license and it requires a sworn statement upon renewal and initial application that such substances have never been used. the use of weed products is actually highlighted and singled out separately on some forms. it is perjury to lie and if one is truthful, it is automatic denial of credential, no exceptions. many other federal clearances and positions require a sworn statement to this effect. how is this man's contract and licenses going to be renewed? perhaps some nice individual will do a FOIA request for his application and renewal paperwork and give it to the media.

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@Whitehat -- you mean like this?

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@Tickerguy -- yes, and i am interested in the actual forms that he signed making his SWORN statement. these forms often contain nice language explaining perjury and its penalty. they also list the penalty for making a false statement on a federal form. it is possible to get actual copies of his application and renewal paperwork with a FOIA request.

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Well, except that it's not perjury if at the time you hadn't done it yet.

If you sign a statement "I swear I have not used X" (or to that effect, which is what that certification is) and at that point you hadn't used "X", then if you LATER use "X" you haven't committed perjury.

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yep, so we must mark our calendars and check after his next renewal(s). also, if he has any documented usage in his past, very likely, well let's just say that friends come and go, enemies accumulate. video tape survives for decades, party video anyone? heh, heh.

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Well now that he announced that someone signed up for first trip around the moon and that someone will be announced on Monday we can't be bothered with little laws like this..

Seems he's rotating the focus from Tesla to space x ....wash rinse repeat.

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He smoked weed in a very public manner and the FAA can and should be pulling his license. His medical isn't current, not even basic med so until he does one or the other he isn't doing signing a false document.

The FAA can pull and require him to do some type of rehab or whatever before he has his privledges restored (along with doing a medical (he isn't actually elgible for doing basic med, weed aside)
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I know he has said he still flies post when his medical ran out. I suspect he has been doing so with a current pilot who is logging as pilot in command. Some of that can be explained by key man insurance, buy it could also be explained by him not wanting to do a medical.. it isn't uncommon for high worth pilots that can't fly for whatever reason legally to hire a safety pilot who is the legal PIC

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