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2018-09-11 08:49 by Karl Denninger
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Charge Her With Murder 2
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This one's simple.

The Dallas Morning News reports that community activists organized the rally Monday to protest last week’s shooting of 26-year-old Botham Jean. Officer Amber Guyger was arrested Sunday on a manslaughter charge and released on bond.

An arrest affidavit that gives a narrative of what happened was released Monday. It appeared to be based almost entirely on the officer’s account.

She allegedly parked on the "wrong floor", stuck her key in the lock and found the door open, entered the apartment believing it was hers, found a man standing inside, gave verbal commands that he ignored and then shot him.

It was his apartment and she was a pig.

Legally, this was a home invasion.  She entered his home without permission or lawful reason.  She failed to look at the apartment number on the door before doing so.  She failed to detect that her key did not turn in the lock.

She gave commands to someone who not only had no reason to listen to her he had every reason and legal justification to shoot her where she stood and instead, when he didn't do what he should have done on the spot she shot and killed him.

The act was not premeditated but she fired knowing it was likely to kill and did so with gross negligence and reckless disregard at the level of depravity for her exact location and the fact that she was not in her own home.

BY HER OWN STATEMENT AND ADMISSION that's Murder 2 -- period, end of discussion, full-stop.

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Clue #1: Seems the key would have turned the entire door knob rather than just the tumbler if it is the wrong key while unlocked.

Clue #2: Even if the apartment build matched hers, it is highly doubtful the items inside matched also.

Talking about a lack of situational awareness! An above average IQ threshold should be met to become a LEO.

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She allegedly parked on the "wrong floor", stuck her key in the lock and found the door open, entered the apartment believing it was hers, found a man standing inside, gave verbal commands that he ignored and then shot him.


What??? These statement of events are simply incredulous. I am to believe that through a series of gross accidents -each which should have raised their own red flag to a lucid individual- she wound up in this man's apartment and "accidently" killed him?

This sounds more to me like hit than an accident.


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How drunk was she?
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Blood test on Officer Guyger? Seems like she may have been under the influence.
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They drew blood to check for booze and drugs at the scene but the results have not been reported.

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Winding it down.
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Something doesn't add up here. Would love to see those toxicology reports.
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Left side of the bell curve strikes again.

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A badge is a license to kill anybody, and not pay civilian consequences for it.

We should have a memorial to all of those murdered by cops.
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An above average IQ threshold should be met to become a LEO.


Sorry. You've got that exactly backward. They don't want smart people because they don't want people who question things.

That's official policy, btw. At least in some places.

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An above average IQ threshold should be met to become a LEO.


Except just the opposite is true. The right side of the bell curve is (legally) avoided.

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The Officer had been previously involved in a shooting of another suspect under questionable circumstances. That one was ruled "justifiable". Maybe it was.

This time, the Officer should have already been fired and cut loose from Union support (How exactly did she make a $300,000 bail within an hour of arrest anyway?). Murder 2 is a reasonable charge - and should be a slam-dunk conviction if the prosecution really wants one. Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

But even on an acquittal, the Officer should never be in any Law Enforcement position again.

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yeah you guys nailed it definitely drunk, been there.
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There are some indications she had a previous relationship with him. Pictures floating around with the defendant and decedent with each other. Granted, being in the same building would give them an opprotunity for that type of interaction.

I have a CCW. If I did this, I would be in jail for Murder 1. But since she is a cop, she gets a pass.
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Yup. It's that magic blue uniform, Redjack.

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CBS News -

Attorneys for Jean's family say two witnesses told them details that contradict Guyger's account.

"They heard knocking down the hallway followed by a woman's voice that they believe to be officer Guyger saying, 'Let me in. Let me in,'" attorney Lee Merritt said.

The family's attorneys say one of the witnesses then heard gunshots followed by a man's voice.

"What we believe to be the last words of Botham Jean which was 'Oh my god, why did you do that?'" Merritt said.
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I don't buy that a 15 hour shift would impair you badly enough to do what she did. And based on my own experiences of coming home very impaired, very late, very tired and in an apartment that was different every year, I still never had the slightest trouble choosing my own apartment. Maybe a little trouble getting the key in the lock but always, always I was in the right place. I also had the habit of hitting the lights on before I entered the apartment because that was a smart thing for a single young woman to do.

I'm having a hard time imagining what all was wrong with that cop to do what she did but there was something very wrong with her. She should be charged with 2nd degree murder, not manslaughter.
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Just using my head here to come up with what I would charge if I were the DA. Clean toxicological report - manslaughter. And I'd ask for the max. If she was on booze or drugs I'm going to charge the 2nd degree. If she's stopping on her way home for drinks she loses the benefit of the doubt from me.

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I'd charge Murder 2 with a lesser-included for voluntary Manslaughter. You never get more than you start with.

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Some type of relationship she had with him and/or impairment (waiting on toxicology report) would make more sense here. Her explanation does not.

She's not telling the truth. The story of hers has more holes in it than Hillary's cattle futures claim.



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But, but, but, she's a police officer. You have to do whatever she says. /sarc off
Otherwise, she'll kill you. As demonstrated.

They need to get off their high horse. They're not special.

I'm with several others here. There's more to this story. Too bad we'll probably never hear it...


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I used to have a client that lived in a big condo tower with a doorman, etc. Thinking the rent-a-cop downstairs was enough security he never locked his door either. One night he's lying in bed and some drunk stumbles in, starts rummaging the fridge, realizes he's on the wrong level, and stumbles out. When he told me that story a decade or so ago I laughed my ass off. Not so funny anymore.
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If that were anyone else would we only get charged with manslaughter and be out in bail right away? Better yet, if he shot her thinking it was armed invasion what would they charge him with for killing one of the Kings men?

If the witness's story is to be believed and there's evidence of a past relationship the charges need to be changed to murder. Maybe murder 1 if she went there intentionally and the witness reports seem to back that up.

We shall see. If she walks because of the magical blue suit I hope they burn the town down.

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If she was a jilted jealous lover, Premeditated.


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I do not doubt that there is an emphasis on hiring rank and file cops from the left side of the bell curve. And for the sake of argument we will say it is true.

I have seen kids with Downs Syndrome learn to do some pretty amazing things and anyone with experience with Downs will know they lack a level of impulse control. However this is something Downs people are taught to keep in check at an early age. I have seen a fairly large groups of Downs people behave very respectfully in public.

Rank and file police are trained to investigate crimes, from petty like shop lifting, to major like******and murder. They are trained as first responders, at diagnosing whether someone is actually drunk, on drugs or something else. They are trained on vehicle inspections, crisis management, they can even tell us if we were driving distracted, as well as a whole host of other things. And of course we all know the NEVER lie.

But are they trained in impulse control?

I have known a host of Downs people and do not want to disparage any of them or the people who care for them, but they tend to be further left on the bell curve than you would want for most jobs, even rank and file law enforcement.

Can Downs people be trained to control their impulses? Without a doubt!

The lady cop in the above ticker, was off duty, she may or may not have been intoxicated, she may or may not have had a previous relationship with the dead fellow and she may or may not have believed she was actually in her apartment. Why did she think it was ok to shot the guy?

At least twice a year we hear about a mom or dad who are sober, hear an unexpected noise, grab their gun and go to investigate. And tragically end up shooting their own child or loved ones. And often they end up prosecuting the grief stricken parent. So not only does that parent have to live with the fact they took their own child's life, they now have to stand criminal charges. (If it was me I would be more than happy to spend 100 years in prison if it might I could bring back my loved one)

Regardless of the level of cognitive reasoning a group has, when you reward bad behavior that group tends to go to the lowest common denominator. Regardless if it is in a group or private setting people with Downs are expected to (And do) reign in their desires.

Regardless of which side of the bell curve a cop sits, why should they not be expected to act at a higher level than the general public when it comes to impulse control?

I mean I know they have the special magic blue uniform and everything, but still....
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