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2018-05-17 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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To The Junkies: Shoot Up In Starbucks!
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Howard Schultz already demonstrated he was outrageously stupid during the last Presidential Campaign Season by inserting a public company into the debate about who should win the Presidential election -- thereby guaranteeing that he would******off half the people of the country.

But what's happened now may actually destroy Starbucks entirely.

Recently, as I'm sure you're aware, there have been a couple of high-profile screamfest incidents relating to people being turned away from the bathrooms because they're non-customers -- or believed to be non-customers.  Both of the recent high-profile incidents involved people who are black.

Businesses selling food and beverages for on premise consumption typically are required by local codes and ordnance to have bathrooms for their customers -- for obvious reasons.  Unfortunately this has meant that some percentage of the population will take advantage of that "safe, secure and private" little spot to do illegal things, whether it be shoot up drugs, engage in some quick act of gay prostitution or similar.

Yeah, I know, it's disgusting.  Tell your local heroin addict or methhead and see if he or she cares.

As a result in many places restrooms are placarded Customers Only, and in some places they actually mean it.  It's not uncommon at all for someone to duck into a McDonalds' while on the road and take a leak, and McDonalds' typically doesn't care because most of the time the people who do that are traveling and might buy something.  The might is enough, coupled with their location right off a busy road where such problems as a crank-head looking for a place to take a hit, or a heroin addict looking for a place to shoot up, are not factors.

But what Shultz has now done in response to these two recent incidents is to make it corporate policy that all Starbucks now have open bathrooms, rather than leave it to manager discretion.

This is a horrid policy.  It'll be fine in some places, but in those places there's no constraint now.  The Starbucks by the side of the freeway and such, no problem.  But those locations never cared to begin with, and never had a customer only policy because, like the McDonalds' 500' off the freeway exit they know damn well that a very high percentage of the time those who come in to pee will buy something, and that's good enough.

Now try the same thing in a Starbucks that happens to be not on a major highway, but in a place where there is a drug problem, or, maybe even worse, a bit of gay prostitution going on.  Or, for that matter, in our sex-doesn't-matter world where one can't constrain someone to a bathroom conforming with their bodily parts, regular old-fashioned heterosexual prostitution!

This will be a disaster.  Those stores in areas like this will be forced to close, at minimum.  At worst they'll get tagged for facilitating hookers and dope deals.

Yeah, it's true that managers don't get it right 100% of the time.  But the fact is that they do get it right 99.9% of the time, and while the exceptions suck and made for some nasty black eyes on a corporation's reputation reality is that this sort of abuse is real, it's a problem, and this sort of "fling the doors open" response is idiotic -- and might be corporate suicide.

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Looking forward to their closing.

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Just think of the extra money City PoPo will make as a hired guard at the local Starbucks.

Waffle House or IHOP will have to raise their offer to keep a guard.




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And you say this like it's a bad thing that Starbucks will disappear off the face of the earth as a result of this inane policy?
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Starbucks makes a thing about not offering franchises. They do offer Seattle's Best franchises. (So they acknowledge Starbucks is not Seattle's best...) I assume that they do this to try to keep more control than a franchise arrangement would allow them legally. This sounds like the shaving the law sort of thing companies try to do to obscure between having employees and contractors. The 'license' holders still put in a quarter to a half million bucks and if you make them commit retail suicide with that much money in any number of them are going to see you in court no matter what your license says. Having a court examine your intent in offering a contract that divulges from industry norms can be a very expensive experience. Having done it for a long time with a lot of people doesn't confer legal precedent. It just increases liability if you shaved the law too close. Because we have always done it this way isn't going to impress a crappy judge.
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Also a big difference between a McDonalds multi-user restroom and a Starbucks which usually just has a couple unisex [gender neutral for our friends in Crazyfornia] single occupant restrooms. One has a lockable door with real privacy and the other has a flimsy stall door with clear openings above and below. Granted all kinds of nefarious things can happen in either room, but the risk of someone walking in on you will keep a lot of people away from the golden arches.

I'm not a Starbucks fan but this will keep me away even more. Plenty of options for coffee when I'm on the road. Come to think of it McDonalds has a decent brew for 1/2 the price of the burnt acid Starbucks slings.
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Starbucks chose their fate when they decided to lay down with the SJWs. They made their bed, now they can die in it.
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Oh Boy, couple that with the "homeless" issue in Seattle...Game on. There are literally people camping on the streets here. There is a news story every day about it and how nobody can solve this issue. This should help as there is a SB on every corner.
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Come to think of it McDonalds has a decent brew for 1/2


And unlike Dunkin' Donuts, has somehow managed to design a cardboard cup that doesn't disintegrate if it gets wet. Or if you pick it up wrong. And the cap stays on.

Fault McD's for many things, but that's definitely not one of them.
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Starbucks has also introduced to their long list of problems high turn over at locations that are in sketchy neighborhoods.

The poor are not known for their hygiene, and how many times are you, as a store manager, going to be able to ask an employee to clean a bathroom that has been absolutely defiled by your typical street resident?

Answer is maybe once, whereupon that employee will nine times out of ten quit on the spot rather than clean up someone else's literal s***.

Shareholders are eventually going to learn the meaning of "Get woke, go broke." Until they do, they will lose lots of money.

Me, personally, I have no player in this game. I have sworn off their services since their prior decision years before to ask all persons carrying a gun to stay out of their store.
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I expect to see a sign, "WAIT TO BE SEATED"
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This trash will surely chase away customers. Short the stock......
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Oh Boy, couple that with the "homeless" issue in Seattle...Game on. There are literally people camping on the streets here. There is a news story every day about it and how nobody can solve this issue. This should help as there is a SB on every corner.


Viral video of a customer filming vomit, feces, urine, needles, etc. in a Starbucks bathroom in 3...2...1...

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Yep...

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They'll also be turned into large stall shower compartments....
thats gonna be really nice

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Starbucksbathrooms.com is still available smiley
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I have a friend here in Silicon Valley who is homeless and lives in her car. She is 73 years old, and worked all her life, albeit at jobs that didn't pay well. Her father was a famous college football coach. She is not destitute, but she cannot afford $3,500 rents (the minimum around here). And, she is a hoarder. It is her only mental issue, but it is a real issue. She is otherwise actually a very nice person. I have tried to convince her to move to an area where she can afford rent, but this is home - she grew up here - and she is old now, and she doesn't want to move; everyone she knows and everything she knows is here.

So, right now she is parked in a parking lot, and is about to be towed. She is looking for options. Bathrooms are a major consideration. I am going to be telling her that parking near any of the local Starbucks should be considered.

It is true that she will not be shooting up or having sex in the Starbucks bathrooms; she will not leave them looking dirtier than they looked before she went in. However, her need to wash her underwear and her own private body parts will make them less desirable for regular patrons to use. Not that they will know.
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I have a friend here in Silicon Valley who is homeless and lives in her car. She is 73 years old, and worked all her life, albeit at jobs that didn't pay well. Her father was a famous college football coach. She is not destitute, but she cannot afford $3,500 rents (the minimum around here).

This is the base problem that I saw in the early 1990s and it's only gotten much worse.

There was literally nowhere that someone who didn't make high-five-figures could afford to pay rent at in the 1990s. Now it's well north of $100k/year that you MUST have to buy "basic" housing, or you WILL go bust.

I have an article in the queue on this for the next day or two regarding Seattle and Spamazon, and Seattle's "head tax" aimed at it. The firms and culture they imported to these areas and grew there, causing this problem, is one they disavow any responsibility for.

Well, bull****. All those nice office buildings require someone to clean them, you need people to work pulling coffees for the employees and serve drinks in the nice bars in the area, etc. NONE of those jobs will EVER pay six figures a year, nor should they. Yet NONE of those firms will EXIST in such an area without PEOPLE to do those jobs.

Where the **** do you expect those people to live?

These firms ARE responsible for what happens in the business, employment and housing environment around them. It's all fine and well to generate a bunch of millionaires and better but if you render the entire area uninhabitable for anyone who isn't then without ALSO engaging in lots of outrageously illegal conduct your firm will INSTANTLY collapse as nobody EXCEPT your employees will be able to live there AND without those other people to do the "support" things you firm requires to exist IT CEASES TO EXIST.

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And how long will that Seattle head tax STAY at $300?
Remember - income tax started as a temporary measure at 4% for the wealthy.
Want to give us your best guess where it will be in ten years?
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That is starting to happen in Atlanta now. Still plenty of low cost housing in the suburbs if you don't mind the high crime areas.
Inside of the I-285 Perimeter it is going to be continuously Gentrified and expensive as time goes by.
They are still recruiting Amazon to locate here.

I really don't want to be any closer than where I am now 50 miles to the South in Pike County.

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Tickerguy wrote..
Where the **** do you expect those people to live?


you asked this question a while back i think when NYC was converting some affordable Manhattan housing, Stuyvesant TownPeter Cooper Village, to market rate using less than ethical plays.

in NYC they have a solution to the problem as to where the servant class is to live. they offer them brutally long, miserable commutes often in areas where the already under-capacity transit is absent. think about two and a half hours minimum, multiple transfers that are miraculous when they do not involve a long hike, filth and disrepair of equipment and facilities and being herded like cattle. seeing one's residence in the daylight is seldom and these neighborhoods lack much amenities while lavishing their own indignities on the poor souls who can look forward to nothing ever changing except rules that make them more miserable and costs that continue to escalate.

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Yeah well **** them those douchebags that do this deserve to ****ing starve.

I had a headhunter try to get me to go out to Silly Valley in the early 90s. I told him what my salary demand was, having been there a few times recently when he called, and he about threw up on the phone. He asked why I thought that was reasonable and I told him point-blank that it was ALL the differential in housing and commute costs from where I lived then to where he wanted me to go -- only 10% was an actual increase in pay to get me to dump my job.

He about gagged, and I pointed out that I wasn't going to live like a ****ing slave to work out there.

He gave up.

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I was once a consultant to a firm in Boulder, Colorado. They tried to recruit me, but when I was in a Laundromat washing my clothes, I picked up a local free paper and about fell over when I was looking for apartments to rent. They offered me $5,000 less than what I was making in Illinois, and the rent for a one bedroom apartment there in Boulder was about $1200 a month. I was paying $275 here in DeKalb. Then, I found out that my boss who was a production manager, could not afford to live in Boulder County, and that killed things for me.
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The last time I was in Boulder, about 2003, was for an interview with NCAR/UCAR on Table Mesa. The interview (technical and professional) was 0800-1600, and I guess I didn't measure up in some way, regardless of my credentials in the matter of Silicon Graphics/SGI, Superdome, and other systems they were using there. I answered every technical question perfectly (according to their script), but I didn't come up to the Boulder standard, or something.

Yeah. A one-bedroom, no washer/dryer connection, in a basement, no TV cable or internet connection, a couple of blocks from really downtown (far away from the UC campus), with on-street parking, was $900/month. The place smelled strongly of mold/mildew, or something. I wasn't charmed, especially after I heard the offer of $58K/year from UCAR/NCAR.

I could have become extremely intoxicated just from the marijuana smoke nearer the campus, where my hotel was. None of any of this was attractive. If there's a nuke, or an asteroid, heading for Boulder right now---well, to quote Stephen King, "No great loss."

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