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 Medical Care And Medical Choices
Tickerguy 200k posts, incept 2007-06-26

I'm guessing that humping double 130s down to the water will be much easier, too. ;)

True enough.....

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Jazumah 213 posts, incept 2008-08-20

If you are highly stressed (like me), you may also want to combine social time and exercise time. I play sports at least four times a week now (I'm trying to get to 5.5 days averaged over the month). I have dropped from 228 to 210 pounds since October and my target is 170. The issue is settling on a proper diet without busting the bank, but this weight has gone simply by being more physically active. My knees were beginning to get upset and that was the last straw for me. Since it is a social activity for me, I find it easier to go even when I feel too tired to do so.

There is NO good time to do it. You just have to start. Tomorrow. I had to stop making excuses and do what I could. I chuckle at the folks talking about their gun collection and they can't run 100 feet in the woods.
Sparticlebrane 287 posts, incept 2009-08-25

Karl I will also put in a vote for using resistance training, if you can get into it.

Especially from a diving perspective -- using free weights (instead of machines) is supposed to help with strengthening 'stabilizer muscles' instead of just one specific muscle group, allowing you to help stabilize things better while climbing up the ladder on a rocking boat, and other such benefits.

Somewhere around here I have a copy of Fitness for Divers. Might also be something to consider.
Phev 492 posts, incept 2009-05-17

I guess there is a trick in these two picture, the pict located right was taken before ;-)... It will be easier to see the same guy with the same clothes to be able to make a better judgement...

Come on Karl
- black shoes
- white socks
- blue bermuda
- yellow shirt

fits so well together ...
that it would be no problem to take another great pic ;-)

Disclosure : walking 80 km (60 miles I think) a week spending no more than 5 for food a day and not having the same result than Karl (only lost 20 pounds)... Grrrrr......

Reluctantdebtor 328 posts, incept 2010-03-05

I'd stay away from soft drinks altogether.
The sugary ones are bad, and there are many concerns about the "diet" additives used in the low calorie ones. I just guzzle water all day.

My successful fitness regimen from 2010/2011:
Get ill and be in a lot of pain for three months.
The nausea from the pain - and the pain medicine - makes eating anything unattractive.
I lost fifty pounds with no exercise! Only gained back ten so far. My clothes hang.
It's still sort of hard to walk, but that's permanent so I don't worry about it.
Stopped the meds after four months (they begin to make thinking very difficult), but didn't get fully back into the eating habit, which I never liked that much anyway.
Cbxer55 81 posts, incept 2009-07-01

Congratulations Karl, you look great! I am 50 myself, and weigh 165 pounds, and am thin with an actual six-pack on my abs. I do sit-ups, push-ups, pull-ups and chin-ups, and use a variety of dumb bells up to 50 pounds in my workouts. I do sit-ups holding the weights behind my head, hold a weight over my head and bend over to touch the floor. Also have a full set of Captains of Crush hand grip strengtheners, from 60 lbs to 360 lbs. I can do up to the 200 pounder now, wanna shake hands?? ;-)

I just paid $800 cash to buy a brand new 27 speed bike, and also have an old 12 speed Bianchi on a fluid trainer in the garage, for bad weather days and cold days. So I am fit, and the only things I cannot control are my bad ears and eyes. Nothing to be done but live with them.

I also smoke cigars, albeit occassionally, like once a week or so. Hit the bottle moderately every night. So vices I got, but I enjoy them.

Have not been to a doctor for so long, I forget what the inside of a doctor's office looks and smells like. And I feel frikkin fantastic. I have been doing the regular exercise thing ever since I graduated high school in 79. So obviously it pays huge dividends in the long run.

The rest of my family all have real bad health, and their regimen of pills to take every day, including my younger brother and sister. Sure wish they would look at the difference, and start acting accordingly.

You can lead a horse to water, you cannot make it drink.

Once again, you look great. Way better than the average Joe. Keep it up.

I work for the government, (I know, I know! But it was there when I had been out of work for 11 months. No one else wanted to even interview me) doing mainttenance on aircraft (something I have done since I graduated as well), not riding a desk. I started there in late 09 and turned down medical coverage for two years. But my wife finally convinced me I need it, as I ride a motorcycle regularly and if something happens it would be best to have it. Also riding bicycles is not risk free. So, I just two weeks ago finally took some medical coverage, Blue Cross / Blue Shield. Doubt that I'll ever use it, but who knows??

Erica712 1k posts, incept 2009-03-16

People think they are eating "healthy" by consuming a sugar-loaded "health bar" and a ton of vitamin (aka sugar) water. The diet here in the South is pretty abysmal.

Avoiding sugar is a big key to success. Pretty much all canned or packed food has it added. You would be surprised... kidney beans in a can, spaghetti sauce, stewed tomatoes, etc all have sugar added.

Melt... some scientists think a significant portion of AZ patients actually have Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) which can present the same symptoms. We really have no idea what causes it and how it is spread (my MIL died of it at age 64). It works like a slower form of mad cow.

What are we doing to do with all of the AZ patients and the autism children who grow up to be very low or non- functioning? THAT is a scary thought.

Tickerguy 200k posts, incept 2007-06-26

Spart: The machine I have is an articulating one with multiple point joints on the press bar. It's about as tough to control as free weights (and thus works the control side as well as just strength) but you don't have to have a spotter to use it safely. Free weights (especially a bar and bench) without a spotter will be just fine right up until it's not -- then it's REAL bad.

This is what I have -- it will kick your ass.


"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Sean 2k posts, incept 2009-04-21

Karl, this ticker nails it!

it is never out of order to state the plain truth.

In Oceania it is Karl.


I work out quite a bit but have never jogged and about 4 weeks ago wanted to a test to see if I could run a mile without dying in the process.

I do some cardio in my workout but more strength but anyway my result was I did a 10 min mile the first time and was only a little winded. From then after I could do two miles in 20 mins without stopping and felt good immediately after too.

As for a collapse, yep it's a comin! and not just in healthcare only.

Sucks too because I need 10mg Prednisone a week for congenital aplastic anemia an extremly rare type of aplstic aneima blood disorder - only about 1000 people in the world have it.

BTW, on the Alzhiemers thread. IMO it very well might be because of all the checmicals that are out environment like BHP in plastics, mercury, Aluminum cookware (think TV dinners) (thanks Clint), shit in the air, capets, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Over time they build up in the body and unless you sweat them out (or get them out some other way) and don't keep putting them back into your body you will be sick. Along these lines I will still exercise lots but my natural doc sells (and she uses one too) these "personal Saunas" - Relax FIR Sauna. As far as she knows daily profuse sweating is the best way to rid the body of toxins in the cells, etc. I will be getting one in about 2 weeks and will keep all updated. (and no, INS does not cover my natural doc)

GEN 5:32,GEN 7:6, 6/17/1689, 6/17/1789, 10/13/1917, 10/13/2017 (???)

Tz 785 posts, incept 2007-09-18

The obezity has been a constant for years.

You recognized something horribly wrong in housing, and traced it to freddy and fanny. Surrealestate can't double in a few years.

Yet you don't see the fda, big pharma, and a nearly identical structure pushing costs up at 9%+ per year. Neither life expectancy nor QALYs are doubling every 8 years.

You can't see a bubble. You say it cannot go on, and are correct. Yet you take the medical almost hyperinflation as normal, markett, and not manipulated.

Yet if I asked you to invent a $5k hip, you could probably do so. If I asked you to create a way to implant said hip fir $5k, you could do so. Yet you bemoan that it costs 100k today and will cost 110k next year

"I am become debt, destroyer of worlds"
Cbxer55 81 posts, incept 2009-07-01

As for Alzheimers, while everyone else around me has there head stuck in their stupid phone, I do crossword puzzles and sudoku. At breaks and lunch only, of course. ;-) Read somewhere that doing those can prevent that disease. Also love to read, and my week long tv viewing amounts to about one hour. Just cannot stomach tv anymore, too damn many commercials ruin it for me. Generally I'll start watching a show, and at the first commercial break turn the dang thing off and not come back.

Gantww 1k posts, incept 2011-04-22

After a thread back in the early summer on the same topic and some kind soul pointing me to, I've managed to drop from 196 to 164. At 5'9", that's pretty close to where my weight should be. I definitely feel a lot better, sleep better, and find my mood is more stable without the refined carbs and most starch in general. I've also been regularly working out with heavy kettlebells, which has helped me start developing muscle definition that I've never had before. I'm about to have to buy new clothes - my shirts are tight in the shoulders and arms, and I've lost 5 belt notches on my jeans (which makes them fall off my ass when I'm at the urinal). I probably won't lose much, if any more weight, but I expect things to continue to tighten up. I may even go for my HKC certification later this year.

And Karl is right about the, ahem, other aspects of weight loss and improved health.

Pissing on the host in the middle of the living room with guests present is a pretty good reason for the host to forcibly remove one from the scene, in my humble and correct opinion. - Jack_Crabb
Clintb350 1k posts, incept 2008-01-19

My sister was talking with a neurosurgeon, his theory is that the increase in Alzheimers was the result of using Aluminum cookware (think TV dinners), and that it is now starting to trend downward. I stopped using anti-perspirants with aluminum a few years ago.
Cbxer55 81 posts, incept 2009-07-01

"And Karl is right about the, ahem, other aspects of weight loss and improved health."

As in no problems getting it up? ;-)
That would be correct.
Tz 785 posts, incept 2007-09-18

Shoe Goo helps extend the life of Vibram 5 fingere - they work great and pack small.

Gary Taubes wrote 'why we get fat' and is on youtube. - I don't have a before, and am not quite done for an after, but I have done dimilar. 80% is diet. if you like bread. Pork rinds - I like dips - queso and salsa. Shiratake noodles - - zero carbs. I've helped several people get healthy.

"I am become debt, destroyer of worlds"
Sparticlebrane 287 posts, incept 2009-08-25

Free weights (especially a bar and bench) without a spotter will be just fine right up until it's not -- then it's REAL bad.


"Bar falling on the neck" syndrome will take you out pretty quickly...
4geez 120 posts, incept 2010-02-10


Do the zero carb noodles really taste like noodles?
Joesswan 585 posts, incept 2008-10-24

Perfect timing as I am just starting a primal diet. Thanks Karl, inspiring....

When Jefferson spoke of "my country," he was referring to Virginia.

Chimichanga 1k posts, incept 2011-03-16


Can personally attest to the wonders of a primal diet. After reading about a "wheat belly" (and doing nothing special whatsoever other than eliminate wheat in my diet) I went down two belt notches in the first 2 weeks. Wheat for many people is a trigger to overeat. It makes you constantly hungry.

Starting a wheat-free diet made me want to jump under a train during the first week. Not exaggerating, I was that addicted. (I have now greatly upped my level of sympathy/empathy for people trying to quit smoking.) After a full week the wheat cravings disappeared completely and now I miss meals without a second thought-- just forget to eat sometimes, totally not hungry.

Be sure to check out the "Wheat Belly" book, but you can also get the bulk of the main ideas over at . As others have mentioned, is also great and has more recipe ideas than the Wheat Belly site.

Flyingillini 125 posts, incept 2009-06-09

Do weight training with dumbbells so that there is no safety risk.
Pooslinger 4k posts, incept 2007-11-06

Congrats Karl!! You look great man!!
Joesswan 585 posts, incept 2008-10-24

"Can personally attest to the wonders of a primal diet."


Thanks, I can add you to the 100's of testimonials I have read. I have been reading and working my up to it and the New Year was just too obvious.

When Jefferson spoke of "my country," he was referring to Virginia.

Assassin 151 posts, incept 2009-05-21

Genesis: can you do leg curls (working the hamstring) on that machine, and if so, how? i ask because i'm currently looking to buy a bench for just the leg exercises. some have a third set of foam rollers where the calves would contact during a leg curl. some lack that third set, yet their product description still claims they can be used for the curls.

Gantww 1k posts, incept 2011-04-22

Kettlebells are actually pretty safe, once you've got the basics down. It also helps that it doesn't require a partner, so I can do most of my workouts in my back yard (I still go to class weekly to tweak and improve my technique though). I find it works better for me because I'm not isolating down to a single muscle group, but rather using the same set of muscles I would use in regular everyday movement all together. There is a bit of a learning curve, mostly because most modern adults have developed asymmetric movement patterns or dysfunctional movement patterns that can produce injury. I've had substantially better results with it than with my previous attempts at gyms attempting to use machines or even just regular weights.

But I'm lucky in that I have a good friend who is a master RKC and flies all over the planet doing seminars.

I haven't gone full primal, but I'm pretty darned close most of the time. I've found that my meals taste better without all that crap, so the transition was pretty easy for me.

Pissing on the host in the middle of the living room with guests present is a pretty good reason for the host to forcibly remove one from the scene, in my humble and correct opinion. - Jack_Crabb
Tickerguy 200k posts, incept 2007-06-26

Yes, as a standing leg curl; you face the machine and curl out and up using the top roller as your brace and the lower one as the lift point. The top roller height is adjustable for the brace point. Works well.

It does not work lying down (as you can do with a bench) as there is no third roller set available that is horizontal when the machine is "at rest."

The same station has a cable attachment for a bar; I stuck a short length of chain on the bar with a double-ender snaphook and set up that way it works very well for standing bicep curls, which are a good complement to the pull-down exercises.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
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