Prison for Rahm, God's Work And Many Others
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2017-12-06 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Prison for Rahm, God's Work And Many Others
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How do you know when a nation is about to collapse?

It becomes so lawless that hiding the abuses is no longer necessary.  They're undertaken in full daylight, boldly, by those in charge.  And, usually, they start to involve victimizing kids -- not so much because it's easier (it's plenty easy to victimize adults when nobody goes to prison and you've turned every man into a eunuch on top of it) but because you start to run out of adults to vicimize so all that's left is kids.

The poster child for this is of course Zuckerberg and Facebook, which the founding President of has admitted uses psychological trickery to addict people to the site, and now has chosen to abuse children.  You'd think that when a business starts peddling the equivalent of drugs to kids that the cops would show up, haul everyone involved off in chains and destroy the company involved but you'd be wrong -- Facebook's stock closed at $172 yesterday, for a market cap of $502 billion.  Every single penny of that should be forfeit right here, right now.

Oh, speaking of abusing children, if you're a sorta little guy you might get arrested for prostituting kids.  Maybe. It seems that being a State Senator is not far enough up the power ladder to evade going to jail.  I hope that guy has a nice supply of Vasoline, as I have been told prison inmates just loooove those who like to screw kids.  Now about Zucker****er; yeah, I know, it's not sex -- just totally buttraping the future of said kids by diddling their minds so it doesn't count.... right?

It's just Facebook you say, or some State Senator? Uh, no.  How about Google and Youtube?  Oh by the way, as Youtube "allegedly" tries to "clean this up" I can tell you with certainty that they are de-monetizing videos that absolutely are family-friendly.  How do I know?  They flagged one of my daughter's -- which featured...... wait for it...... a hike up a hill with her pussy...... CAT.  There was utterly nothing objectionable in any way, shape or form in that video, but since she was out of town and I noted the lack of ads I filed the protest for her.  They turned it back on.  Instead of looking before killing it in the first place, of course, they just used a computer to do it, you see, because 30 seconds of actual looking would have disclosed..... a cat and a hike.  It also would have meant Google would have made a bit less money to actually employ people, and, well, we can't have that.  Jobs?  Forget about it.

Then there's Chicago and Goldman's latest fraud, and what a doozey that one is.  The City, which incidentally is basically bankrupt and has insane pension liabilities, created a "new" corporation, assigned it alleged "preference" for sales tax revenues, and then had it issue bonds in order to game the ratings.  The result?  A "AAA" rated bond issue for a bankrupt municipality.  May I remind you that if you tried this you'd be tossed in prison for 30 years for fraud and the entire set of transactions would be unwound because you cannot structure your finances to avoid paying creditors after the event that gives rise to the liability has happened.  For example, you cannot get into a car accident where you're at fault and then put your assets in a trust to avoid losing them in the ensuing lawsuit.

Yet that's exactly what Chicago did with Goldman's help to both set it up and run the bond offering.  This is blatant and outrageous fraud upon every single previous creditor, and if you or I tried it not only would the transaction be unwound we'd be indicted on top of it.  Well?  Where are the handcuffs on Rahm and why isn't Goldman shut down right here and now as a criminal enterprise with Mr. God's Work being led off in cuffs?

Then you have the grand-daddy of all, which is quite-clearly outlined here -- not that if you've read my column you need another example.  It deals with the medical scam.  Just a few miles south having your appendix removed is 1/10th of the cost of having it done here.  The difference?  Blatant and lawless behavior that violates 100+ year old anti-trust law.  This law is not just civil in nature either; it is a felony to even attempt to monopolize trade or commerce.

May I remind you that this body of law (15 USC Chapter 1, Sections 1 and 2) do not require that prices go up, although in the case of medical care of all sorts they sure as hell have -- by a factor of 10 or more.  The reason the law was written to not require pricing to increase is that it is extremely common for monopolists to cross-subsidize -- that is, screw someone else so you think you're getting a "deal".  It's illegal irrespective of price rises (or not) for the precise reason that the people who wrote the law at the time were well-aware that it is trivial for large, powerful corporations to cost-shift and thus hide what they're doing, making it appear that you're getting a reasonable deal when in fact they're jacking people up the cornhole left, right and center.

Amazon anyone?

Steve Forbes recently wrote on this but he has no sack either for he has refused to use the "F" word -- consistently and over decades. See, people don't want to use the "F" word (no, not ****, felony) because if the American public was to actually start reading said law, and realized that the first two sections consisted of all of a couple of paragraphs and nowhere is there a requirement that prices go up (never mind that they sure as hell have in the medical field) they might pick up pitchforks and torches and demand that people start going to prison right now "or else."

I mean it's not like hospital administrators (who provide zero care to patients) have risen in count by over 3,000% while doctors have risen by something like 100% from 1970 to today, or medical costs have gone up 800% while wages have risen 16%.  Oh wait.....

People have told me that I'm being completely unrealistic when I point out that fixing this would cause medical costs to drop by 80% or more, making "insurance" completely unnecessary for 95% of all things medical and the cost of insurance for the remaining 5% about as expensive on an annual basis as one nice night out on the town.  In other words with the exception of the truly destitute nobody would need any help at all from government or anywhere else.

Don't tell me that this outcome is impossible either; if you're older than 45 or so your parents did exactly that when you were a child.  Were you stoned when you were six or are you intentionally refusing to face facts?  I remember the doctor's office -- exactly where the building was, the waiting room (divided into two sections; one for well kids there for routine things, the other for sick kids -- an attempt to avoid getting the well kids sick!), the front desk (where you paid, natch) and the little exam rooms.  I also remember my very-much middle class mother writing a check for the modest cost incurred.  There were no insurance cards and no angst about a visit to the doctor, if you really needed one.  You called, you showed up, you had whatever you needed attended to taken care of, you wrote a check and left.

That's because it didn't bankrupt you.

Never mind that the Surgical Center of Oklahoma has an infection rate of 1/20th that of a traditional hospital!  That's right -- they harm and kill through negligence or just honest mistake 1/20th as many people.  Why?  Because they can't bill you for it as they gave you a fixed price up front, so they have every incentive to not do stupid things.  The hospital down the street, on the other hand, bills you for the infection or screw-up they caused.  Oh, if it kills you?  Your estate gets billed.  A couple hundred thousand people die every year in this country as a result of this crap, probably including someone you know and maybe someone you loved and yet you still sit on your ass.

Examples like the above show that I'm right -- and further, were we to demand this get fixed right now by taking out our pitchforks and torches we'd instantly and permanently fix the federal deficit along with state and local pension liabilities and leave cities, towns and counties with budget surpluses that would allow them to massively cut taxes of all sorts -- including property taxes.  Never mind the couple hundred thousand people who wouldn't be dead every year.

But no!  We can't have that, because nobody has a sack left in this country.  There's simply no demand for an actual answer to the problem anywhere, nor will anyone get off their ass and go find that long-lost pitchfork and torch.

Well, let me know when you change your mind America, because as it stands right now it's not just your money that's being stolen -- it's also your kids that are being abused on a rampant and outrageous basis by those very same big-bizness and political folk while you sit back and cluck about this or that political party.

Yeah.

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Bodhi
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Never mind that the Surgical Center of Oklahoma has an infection rate of 1/20th that of a traditional hospital! That's right -- they harm and kill through negligence or just honest mistake 1/20th as many people. Why? Because they can't bill you for it as they gave you a fixed price up front, so they have every incentive to not do stupid things. The hospital down the street, on the other hand, bills you for the infection or screw-up they caused. Oh, if it kills you? Your estate gets billed. A couple hundred thousand people die every year in this country as a result of this crap, probably including someone you know and maybe someone you loved and yet you still sit on your ass.


This hits home for me. My brother's wife had to have her gall bladder removed a couple of weeks ago. The surgery was ****ed up as her bile duct leaked into her abdominal cavity post surgery and they had to go back in after laying her open from breastbone to belly button to repair the mess. My brother agrees with me that this sounds like malpractice, but this is now the least of his worries as it turned out the gall bladder was cancerous and has spread. The prognosis is not good.
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I would vote for you in a heartbeat.

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The relationship between Americans and their politicians is like the relationship between a pimp and his prostitutes or a cult and its cult members. As related to the Stockholm syndrome,the survival instinct is at the heart of how people can be manipulated into identifying with the needs and agenda of the politicians and lobbyists who for all intents and purposes intend on butt ramming and screwing them.

Not only is their a positive bond between Americans and their Political leaders, there is a powerful negative attitude towards anybody, group or thing that threatens the agenda of their political leaders. Politicians and lobbyists know this and how to use the threat of American losing their resources. All I have to do as a politician is convince you that my opponent wants to take away your resources or freedom of access to those resources through taxation, regulations or lack thereof, or on the flip coin my policies will give you more resources or access to them by taxation, regulations or lack thereof, etc.

When you can put people's mentality into survival mode, they will not care if anybody else or other groups are getting screwed or butt rammed because they are happy that they are left alone to survive or flourish while others are left to getting butt rammed and screwed. That is why people could care less about monopolies taking over entire economic sectors or industries relocating from America to China giving them cheap TVs and other consumer goods at Walmart and Amazon.
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"I remember the doctor's office -- exactly where the building was, the waiting room"
As a Navy brat, I also recall carrying my very own medical records in my hand to the hospital. On exit, they came home with me...x-rays and all.

I'm going to post this again in hopes it can help folks fight the ugly machine. Even if you're insured, you can still fight.
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And here is the final outcome.

Fight it folks...seriously! It's not that hard.
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Baydog ^1000% Sheep won't wake up til it hits home. It's a "me,me,me" society all by design. As long as somebody else is getting screwed it's all ok. The government mafia has full control over the sheep's mind, especially women. There is no critical thinking. Whatever comes out of the boob tube must be true. It's all about money and status. The greed is out of control. Families are destroyed for what? What on God's earth could be more important?
The deception is incredible. Lies, lies and more lies 24/7. Truly unbelieveable. But hey, the markets up so party on. Time to buy more ammo.
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I was working a federal fraud case back in 1998, and discovered an even larger fraud occurring. I brought it to the attention of DOJ in the western district, and at main justice in DC, along with DCIS, NCIS, & AFOSI. The corporations involved are very powerful, and I'm guessing no one wanted to take them on. After striking out in my official capacity, I looked into filing a Qui Tam lawsuit. I discovered that as a federal employee I wasn't considered a person under the law under the court of appeals for my area of the country. So I gave up.

Fast forward to today. The chief of our technical support branch from 20 years ago has asked me if I'd once again consider filing a Qui Tam lawsuit over the fraud I discovered. So this week, I took a look at public records that if you know what to look for shows evidence of the fraud. Today a back of a napkin computation shows a minimum of $3B in fraud per year for just one out of 4 agencies involved. I provided some data to my tech guy, and his quick computation is $8B per year. As a tax payer I'm disgusted. If I can locate or obtain contractor specific data, or obtain it via a FOIA, I'm going to try a Qui Tam lawsuit since I'm no longer part of a non-person class under the law.

But as blatant as this fraud is, I suspect my efforts will go nowhere. But Karl works tirelessly to expose fraud, and this is one I can hopefully file a legal complaint and maybe stop. I don't know if we can even get a law firm to represent us on a contingent fee basis even. That's in a situation where we are entitled to 20% OF the recovery, which is substantial.
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For the past six months, I have had a total of 7 surgeries on my hand and the last 2 should not have happened. I had a tendon repaired after an accident and yet my middle fingers were not staying up. I asked my surgeon several times if the tendon was still attached and he danced around like a ***** on a pole. I had to get an MRI to verify that it was attached and that I didn't need a transplant. What he didn't tell me was that the tendon was stretched and that during surgery #5, he folded it and sutured it, but didn't talk to me after the surgery with instructions on what he did. If I had known what he did, I would have never moved my figures which broke the sutures and demanded another surgery. In my last surgery, he transplanted a tendon from my wrist and put me in a splint for 4 weeks. I guess they got enough money out of Blue Cross on this one.
The obvious lack of communication from the doctor put me under the knife when it should have been fixed 2 surgeries ago. I am not bashful about asking questions and feel that this could be intentional knowing very well that I would break the sutures because I didn't know what they did in the surgery. From day one they talked about doing a transplant, but wouldn't tell me why. This has been going on for 6 months and the lack of service has been obvious.
This is no different then an auto mechanic loosing some bolts on a car during service in order to get it back in for more service.
Unfortunately, there is no way to prove negligence simply because they wouldn't answer my questions. Of course having the doctor leave immediately after surgery without any specific instructions may warrant this.
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Damn....with Goldman they are the thieves hired by the arsonist to loot the house while the arsonist is busy burning it to the ground. They make off with the goods while handing the homeowner an empty check and a pile of excuses.

Bastards...

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i am scheduled for a ct scan this afternoon. my drs.office scheduled the appointment at their affiliate hospital. my dr couldnt tell me how much it would cost. i said just give a range +/- $1000, he couldn't do it. the hospital called last night to pre schedule me and i was transfered to billing. the person in billing said it was not her job and would have someone call this morning. its noon and no one has called. my appointment is at 2, guess i will ask again when registering, i recorded all conversations. i am only asking for+/- $1000. i don't think i'll pay no matter what it costs. what else can i do?... other than a plane trip to japan.
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The entire CT should be well under $1,000 (~$500 or so, plus a hundo or two if you need contrast.)

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i googled "how much does a ct scan cost" and got an average of $1200, but a range of $270 to $4800 and all over the map.
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Do NOT go to a hospital. They are the worst from a cost standpoint.

Comrader ... welcome to the "complete lack of disclosure" club.

I googled and there is a chain of clinics called "CT Scan" throughout Pennsylvania. I bet you'll pay easily 1/5 of what a hospital will charge you.

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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our Light, and not our Darkness, that most frightens us. -- Marianne Williamson
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thanks karl and goforbroke i will check it out
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Comrader, Here in Ontario, Canada I have a CT scan with contrast every 3 months to monitor enlarged abdominal lymph nodes. Free.
But now that a biopsy of one of them is needed... looks like a 3-4 month wait.
Just read in our paper the current wait time for a knee replacement is 250 days.
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Uh, no, it's not "free."

What is your sales tax rate again, and how much does a dollar of gas cost? smiley

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Have y'all ever heard of the backfire effect? http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

Highly recommended link. That guy explains it better than I can. BUT, in short, for those who don't read links, the amygdala controls much of our threat identification/assessment/reaction, such as fight-or-flight. It's done sterling service throughout the years when humans were faced with a charging tiger with a lunchtime gleam in the eye.

The amygdala isn't very discerning, though. It treats an intellectual challenge the same as a dorsal fin in the water. When faced with the idea that they are wrong - or evidence, which is infinitely worse - people react as if they have been threatened. Thus... backfire. The brain believes it is always right, and then defends that notion at all costs.

I've done a great deal of reading on the subject of neurology over the last few years. Humans didn't make any sense. I wanted to know why. People are never wrong. Oh, they know that no one is perfect, they have their little sayings that they trot out as needed, but they, themselves, in the immediate and specific sense are almost never wrong. Not when facts are in conflict, not when the results were bad, not when people who know the job tell you different.

Bizarre. But also f'ing fascinating.

To start, the backfire effect isn't the only neurological tic we've got hardwired into our brains. There's lots of them. Really, people will be astonished to find out how often they think they're thinking when really their brain is literally "knee-jerking" in a natural response to expected stimuli. It's not exactly smooth-muscle levels of involuntary, but it seems to get awful close. There's four in particular that I like to call the four horsemen of every human apocalypse. In addition to the backfire effect, which you've already met, we have:

Gell-Mann amnesia. Humans believe authority, despite evidence to the contrary. The last bit is what makes it "amnesia". We can see authority be wrong, and we will forget it the moment authority changes the subject. Authority must be wrong - very, very wrong - repeatedly wrong, usually on a subject on which an individual is well-informed and can thus readily identify what BS the authority be talkin', before we realize they're full of crap. And then, realization is often limited to that subject on which we are well-informed. We trust them in other areas.*

Dunning-Kruger effect. Humans are crap at assessing their own skills. We don't know how much we don't know, and this doesn't stop us from having loud opinions on it. The very nature of being uninformed means that we aren't informed enough to realize we don't know what we're missing. Conversely, I suspect this neurological tic is also responsible for the impostor effect. We don't know what we don't know, including how hard it was for everyone else to do something which came quite easily to us. Therefore, the disquieting (unjustified) feeling one is a fraud.

Confirmation bias. The brain assigns value to new data. Data that confirms what the brain already knows is assigned a high value. Data that conflicts is assigned a low value. The brain then assesses the value of the information available when checking it's work.

Yes. This is exactly as silly as it sounds. The brain is a Democrat talking about the '16 presidential election. "Assuming at no point in time could we have possibly been wrong, how do we interpret these results?"

The sum result of this is... well.. society. People don't listen. It doesn't even occur to them that they ought to, not without some compelling outside influence, it seems. Folks don't ask questions. Questions rather heavily imply that one doesn't already know everything one needs to know on a subject, and, haha, well THAT can't be right. Curiosity is emotional insecurity for enlightened beings who have attained the pinnacle of creation, you know.

You can't tell people anything, Gen. I'm sorry. It's as if people live in these little bubbles that extend about six inches from their heads, and nothing outside of the bubble is really real to them. We're all the hero in our own head, living out our personal autobiography in cinematic detail. Look at Maduro, Obama. Y'all think these guys sit around laughing over $1500 beef, "Muaaahahaha, my evil plans to ruin the lives of millions was a success!"

Ha. No. Ha. Humans don't work like that. I've met a lot of right bastards in my days, but I've never once met someone who knew and accepted they were a right bastard. Maduro and Obama probably believe they were just a guy doing his best in a hard spot. Like everyone else, who, if you check with them, will be ever so eager to explain how nothing currently going on in the world has anything to do with THEM, no sir! It's all those other bastards who won't get with the program and act right that're causing all this mess.

It's our brains. This is how they work. Feature, not bug. We'll master our nature when we see what it really is.

For a while there, I assumed since these neurological tics are basically what makes our species such douchebags, that they were a problem we had yet to overcome. Now I'm not sure. If you look at it one way, yeah, this is what makes us act like ignorant selfish twats and keeps crashing every civilization we've ever tried to establish since the dawn of time. Looked at from a different perspective, though...

Let's assume everything makes sense. Science. We may not know why it makes sense just now, but on a physics level everything makes sense. QED, we developed these tics for the same reason we developed maternal bonding and nose hairs - it was advantageous to survival.

We think of humans as meat creatures with souls. Think of us instead as... biological computers. Know what those neurological tics look like now? A firewall. We are extremely difficult to reprogram from the outside. And yeah, that's a right pain at the moment, when our latest effort at human civilization is about to crash down around our ears (again), but I'm sure the computer-savvy TFers can see the very small chances humans would have ever made it to the Younger Dryas if it were easy to change their minds.

"Oh, sure, that sounds like a fine idea, let's do that!"
"But no, this also makes sense, let's do this as well!"
"Wheeeee- *earth-shattering kaboom*"

I don't know the answer. I'm just recognizing patterns here. These patterns make a lot of sense to me. I'm probably not 100% right, being perfectly right isn't that common, but this makes sense in a way humans and their stories about what wonderful people they are do not.

We are not intelligent. Humans do not know right from wrong - they only know their neurological programming, the default is "I am good, I am right", and we appear to be able to make anything make sense to keep our narratives happy. People are "just doing their jobs".

Have y'all noticed that? It seems that there's been not merely a resurgence of Nuremberg defenses, but that even when it is pointed out what a Nuremberg defense is and that it is famously no defense at all, people will still use it. They'll even double down.

Humans are artificial intelligence. We don't put AI in charge of everything because a mere computer will do stupid things that it doesn't realize are stupid because it's just following its programming. Garbage in; garbage out. It doesn't know any better.

But that's us. We created AI in our own image, as it were. Cue the laugh track, the jokes just write themselves and they're even funnier because we had no idea.

This isn't (as much of) the dystopian nightmare it sounds like and thus far reliably leads to. Unlike the AI computers we built, humans feel pain. We get sad, and have dopamine receptors. Consequences matter to us. So much so that an enormous part of our productivity is frittered away in consequence-avoidance. That's another pattern. Once a human expends the effort to attain success, it's just too damned easy for them to focus future efforts NOT on the sensible-yet-difficult proposition of getting up the next morning and doing it all over again, but rather on keeping any fresh upstarts from threatening their income stream.

Humans need consequences. We don't appear to be able to recognize right and wrong as a matter of course, and rely on consequences as a failsafe - which we do everything to avoid. It's like Winston Churchill said, "Americans can always be counted upon to do the right thing, once they've exhausted all other possibilities." But consequences work on us. They appear to be mayhaps the only thing that does work.

We are not a collective. Humans are individuals, with a potentially infinite variety. Even genetically identical humans are individuals. It's breath-taking, when you think about it. It's also our advantage. Maybe our greatest advantage. We are 7 billion unique biological computers, deft enough to reproduce anything and capable of outside reprogramming through difficult carrot/stick reinforcement mechanisms. Since we can individually make sense of anything - no matter how silly - and we can individually do anything - no matter how damned foolish - then we have essentially created a... server farm, say, of 7 billion processors working on myriad problems. Mathematically, it is possible that we can solve anything, given enough time.

LOL, it's just going to be noisy while we try all the other possibilities first.



*Personally, I blame omnivorism. There's a lot to emotionally unpack in an apex predator species with inherent social herding. We eat meat, we are meat, we've got some issues, yo.

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"People have told me that I'm being completely unrealistic when I point out that fixing this would cause medical costs to drop by 80% or more..."

Evidently Aetna CEO Bertolini will walk away with 500mm in cash and stock following the CVS deal. There's a bit of stark reality for all the doubters who don't think medical costs are grossly out of line.
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Amazon gets away with their practices as have many of the other companies in the past for one reason. Remember the Home Depot scam overbuilding their store base. What were they doing? Burning up investor cash to gain market share. There is a pattern. Gain market share, stock goes up. Once pressure on profits begins to show, start consolidating to make in store gross higher and once again stock price goes up. When this no longer works, start closing stores to lower cost of operations and raise per store profits and the stock price goes up on this news. Purchase competitors to gain more market share and reduce staffing costs further and the stock price goes up. Bankrupt and restructure to eliminate debt and the stock price goes up as the monopolist dominates a sector. Drug store chains also do something similar, perhaps the order changes somewhat.

I have seen this happen in my industry. Honestly, we needed to look at total compensation as it outpaced inflation. In my firm we were doing so and delivered faster, cheaper and better. The monopolist came in to our market as a deep discounter, backed by the fact that their services were actually high-end, high-service in Europe. They pushed compensation below costs and drove local firms out of business. When all was said and done, they abandoned their efforts in our market leaving a few firms that continue to dominate and less competition than before. The consumers now have less choice and poorer service.

The public gets off on seeing low prices and a service profession charging them less and it would be rightly so if all things were equal. However, the public likes the notion of getting things cheaper and have been taught for the past forty years that this is good and that otherwise they are being taken for advantage. This is in large part due to the fact that if they are employed, this seldom touches them. Ever know someone have their employer reduce their salary or hourly pay. Can I show up at someone's job or union shop and say that I will do the work for less. There are many situation where this would be quite profitable to do. Unless people are laid off and cannot ever find a job which is rather rare in the coastal cities for a very large percentage, they view themselves as a different caste above the class that service them. My group was a profession, but others are drivers (as in **** like Uber), retailers, contractors, etc. This is why scams involving said that spend investor dollars and make slaves out of the actual workers are appealing to this group. They see themselves as the investor class and view low prices as a part of their deserved lifestyle regardless of the fallout that will never touch them, at least in their minds. They are often known as limousine liberals. They have a sense of entitlement. The "investor" class was sold a notion that they are smarter, feeding their ego. Anytime they feel like they have put something over on someone else, they are further validated. Whatever schemes occur they are blind to as their ego is based in this perceived righteousness and the fact that it has become a noble cause as it benefits them. Those who are damaged by the noble mission of lower prices must be less than perfect as they deserve their fate for not being smarter and better. Yes, the human ego works this way.

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Jduwaldt
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Quote:
I remember the doctor's office -- exactly where the building was, the waiting room


How old am I? I'm SOOO old I remember when the doctor visited YOU! (Sounds like the punchline to a Soviet America joke, doesn't it?) Yeah, when I was a kid and had a fever or strep or something I would lie in bed until the doctor with, literally, his black handbag would come by and see me.
When medicine was "reformed" I had to go to the doctor's office. Miserable! I just assumed I had to do it was because I was older...

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Question about CT scan. I have had 2 in a hospital. I doubt the insurance company pays over $800 to $1000 max, but if they gave you a bill, it would be at least $2500. The last one I had was 2007 and that was the price then. You can get them in private facilities for around $500.

The points Karl makes are right on. I'm to the point they should line up some of these bastards and machine gun them. The DOJ and FBI are criminal organizations. People still contend Hillary should have won and the facts are she has gotten away with stuff that would embarrass Al Capone. The Clintons have never had more than a temporary private job and since they left the White House, have lived like Kings and Queens, lifestyles that run in the $1 million a month range, yet claim to have $250 million. Hillary made up the Russian story, which has been obviously to me from the start, yet her crimes are blatant and instead they are investigating Trump. Mueller, Comey, Rosenstein, Weissman and others are her henchmen and Sessions sits there with his finger up his ass.

The **** in Chicago is outright fraud. How can anyone allow the basis of repayment of other debt to be switched to back new debt? This is akin to me getting a loan on your car.

I hope I'm right and Trump starts peeling the top off this crap. I hear him comment from time to time how much the government spends in constructing something, implying he could do it for a fraction of the cost. I suspect this is the real opposition to him, his recognition that the government touches something and the price triples. Had government never touched health care, I suspect it would be equally as good and cost 20% to 30% of what it costs now.


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I recall in 2000 the sales tax was about 12%. Not free. Do a little research on free health care. I think death management would be a better term. They wait for you to die, so they don't have to provide the service. That is, unless you are part of the political class.

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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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