Lock ZuckerPig Up (And Parents Too)
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2017-12-04 17:53 by Karl Denninger
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Lock ZuckerPig Up (And Parents Too)
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Folks, we have already had one of the original founders of Facebook admit they use psychological manipulation to addict you -- they manipulate your brain to produce dopamine, which is a drug, and it's addictive.  In fact the dopamine system in your brain is why most drugs of abuse are addictivethey tamper with the normal clearing mechanism and thus amplify the normal response to pleasure.

Facebook was designed, on purpose to deliver this same sort of "high" to users and manipulate the delivery of said "high" to get you to come back.  That's addiction and it's no accident -- it's intentional and was part of the firm's design.

This addiction was designed for the purpose of making money, which is the exact same motivation -- profit -- that the corner heroin pusher has.

May I quote?

A like or a comment on a post sends users "a little dopamine hit," he said, encouraging them to post again.

"The inventors, creators — it's me, it's Mark [Zuckerberg], it's Kevin Systrom on Instagram, it's all of these people — understood this consciously. And we did it anyway," he said, according to a transcript of the interview.

The above isn't my allegation it's the bald and direct statement of Sean Parker, founding President of the company.

There is now emerging scientific evidence that this addiction is real and, far worse, it is altering brain chemistry -- that is, it's not "simply psychological" in its effects.  This alteration in brain chemistry changes mental function and since it is happening in school-age kids the impact on children and teens is direct and permanent harm to their learning and thus lifetime achievement potential.

Facebook, unsatisfied with addicting adults, is both going after doing the same thing to kids and soliciting their parents as willing and intentional co-conspirators by also soliciting them to hook their children!

In other words Facebook (and other social media) are knowingly tampering with the brain chemistry of children for their own financial benefit and to the direct detriment of said children.  And by the way, no, it's not ok for kids 13 years and older either unless of course you think a 13 year old should be able to openly buy alcohol or tobacco.

If you gave your kids alcohol or addictive drugs without a solid clinical reason to do so your ass would go to prison, and rightly so.  So would all the pushers of said drugs we could identify.

Well?

Where are the handcuffs, indictments, trials, convictions and hangings?

PS: CNBC's reporters have today actually used the word "hook".  Just like smoking is perfectly fine for kids too, right?

Oh, you mean it's not?

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For years I have been advocating removal of cell phones in schools ... all of it falls on deaf ears as the push back from students and parents is "just too difficult to battle." Bull****.

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kids are allowed cell phones in school? that must be disruptive as hell! i didnt know
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Yup. Don't get me started. Administration's justification ... "They're going to use social media regardless. They might as well learn it here." Bull****.

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Tell them that in my opinion they should be indicted as drug pushers, and eventually they will be. If they're lucky the law will get them before angry parents do -- who might simply choose to hang or disembowel them instead of allowing them a trial first.

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I sent an email to the supt with a link to the article which you referenced. I never thought of suing the school for pushing a knowingly-addictive drug/device. indeed, more and more journal articles are being published on the subject ... https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases....

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I never thought of suing the school for pushing a knowingly-addictive drug/device.

Yep.

Further, there are CRIMINAL charges in the offing on this, either officially through the courts or unofficially in ways that none of these **********s will like. If there were no cops willing to arrest heroin pushers because they made money on the graft (gee, there's nothing similar there right?) EVENTUALLY some of the citizens would get out the shotguns and take care of the problem themselves EVEN KNOWING THEY WERE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED AND PROSECUTED FOR TAKING OUT THE TRASH.

There are plenty of good reasons to go to prison.

Protecting kids from predatory *******s is one of them.

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cell phones in school, remember if there was an emergency and the parents simply called the school?

the marketing to children has been going on a long time and was standardized in the often celebrated bull**** 1950's. the whole concept of the "teenager" was a marketing creation when it used to be young adult along with a greater level of maturity in the later years. marketing was a big part of the extension of adolescence when any other sane culture would endeavor to raise maturity at earlier ages as long as it was done kindly and for the proper reasons.

getting children and even young adults hooked on things ramped up during the consumerist 1980's. the term hooked was used then. name it from media to toys to fashion, whatever. these current *******s simply read their business school curriculum thoroughly. i attended a university with a large and successful business school in its own division. my acquaintances there were learning about viral marketing to children and teens and manipulating said psychologically. there were even entire courses dedicated to consumer psychology. Late 1980's to 1990's.

immature people make great consumers. the technique used to be called making a consumer for life. remember, "bored people make great consumers." this **** even affected our education system.

same ****, different *******.

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the last of my kids graduated catholic school 3 yrs ago and cell phones were allowed in the lockers but not in class. if you were caught twice you were out for good. makes no sense. besides all the drama from facebook, you could just google the answer to anything. who knew, i could have been an A student!
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Further, there are CRIMINAL charges in the offing on this, either officially through the courts or unofficially in ways that none of these **********s will like.

There are plenty of good reasons to go to prison.

Protecting kids from predatory *******s is one of them.


Yep.... if this were alcohol they'd be charged with contributing to the deliquency of a minor. Sample applies to this facebook situation in my opinion.

I am reminded of the South Park episode of the kid that had no friends. Considering how potent this addiction is it makes me wonder how it will contribute to the potential suicide of children when things start to go awry. Kids are very impresionable at that age and they know it. They also lack developed coping mechanisms and Zuckerpig is interfering now with that mechanism. It's like putting generations of kids on ritalin so teachers/parents can cope with childhood energy - especially in boys.

How many people are wired to facebook through their apps or computer just waiting for that notification to show up that someone has replied or liked their post. These people start to go into literal withdrawal without their damned phones. This is the "Terminal Man" on steroids. If you can control a person's behavior then you ultimately control the person. The sad part is that these people think they are in control - just like any addict.

Then we have the poor excuses for human beings that choose to use this addicive media to push their wares by advertising there. They are just as bad as Zuckerpig.

Those parents that allow this kind of crap deserve to be beaten daily. Stupidity must be made to be painful - physically and financially.


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And from CNN ...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/health/sma....

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Researchers from Korea University in Seoul used brain imaging to study the brains of 19 teenage boys who were diagnosed with internet or smartphone addiction. Compared with 19 teenagers who were not addicted, the brains of the addicted boys had significantly higher levels of GABA, a neurotransmitter in the cortex that inhibits neurons, than levels of glutamate-glutamine, a neurotransmitter that energizes brain signals.

"GABA slows down the neurons," explained Yildirim, who was not involved in the Korean study. "That results in poorer attention and control, which you don't want to have, because you want to stay focused. So that means you are more vulnerable to distractions."

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I would love to see some sort of real action against these official and admitted pushers of such addictive "substances," but I don't expect anything. I haven't seen anything for the psychotropic drug pill pushing on kids in schools, for instance, even with all the clear evidence of their known effects, so I don't hold out any hopes in this case, either.

It's sad seeing people fall for such stunts as Facebook's one here to push this sort of addictive product/behavior on more, especially their own children. This sort of scam has been studied and nearly perfected over the years, as has been mentioned. You'd think that at some point people would have had enough and stand against this, but unfortunately, I only see a very small minority even expressing the slightest concern. Somehow, most don't seem to see the reality of how this stuff affects them and those around them.

<quote>cell phones in school, remember if there was an emergency and the parents simply called the school?</quote>

I, too, feel that personal telephones have no place in schools, just as in most workplaces. Call the school and get them to pass the message on or go get the kid to the phone if you need to convey something that just cannot wait until you see them later in the day! Allowing such devices just encourages distraction and cheating, not to mention helping addict the kids. What a lame excuse the "they'll do it anyway, so may as well learn about it here" one is. Sounds to me like someone has no skill in or desire to enforce rules. This whole cellphone and personal tablet stuff in school is just another reason I'd stick to home school for any child I am unlikely to ever have, just as my parents did for me.

In my own life, I do my small part by always trying to lead by example, if you will, and being the change I want to see. Sometimes that involves going over the top somewhat to make it obvious to those around me. I don't just stop at not being affiliated with any of these social media sites and keeping my distance from such as Amazon and Google as much as I can. I go on, for instance, to almost always leave my [non-"smart"] cellphone behind, besides on certain occasions that I can't as easily get out of taking it for backup (in which case it goes generally powered-off in the car's glove compartment). I've never had an issue either just waiting to contact someone by email or landline call until I make it where I'm going or stepping in to the nearest business to borrow their telephone for a quick call in the case of a car break-down, for instance, as was normal throughout most of the 20th century until about my high-school days when the usage of cellphones started really proliferating.

I wish I could say that I've seen more of an impact on those around me, but at least I have had minor victories. I've gotten a few to give up on social media and to set their cellphones aside regularly and have genuine face-to-face interactions without feeling that itch many seem to have to check in constantly.
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how it will contribute to the potential suicide of children


Have you not been paying attention?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-....

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2594640/girl-12-streams-her-own-suicide-on-facebook-live-for-20-minutes-after-being-sexually-abused-by-a-relative-and-cops-are-powerless-to-take-it-down/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion....

^^ 2009

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Well I gotta say THIS.
How many of US here are Guilty as hell of the same thing?
Checking the Markekticker Or Any of your Favorite blogs or Forum board(s)?

I STEP FORWARD..
Guilty as Charged Sir... (or Sire) ;)
Getting that Morning Coffee Rush (Or Covfefe rush)..
As you turn your *device* on seeing whats going on in the World, As confined to your ID Policies OR Politics..
That warming glow feeling..
You just may have a internet/Tech addiction
You cannot STOP..
As everything... is "connected".. to the WWB..
think about it..
Reminds me of this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-kdRdzx....

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How much is this on parents? The comment about schools allowing/not allowing phones in school is somewhat of a joke. Parents need to have a spine on this **** too and enforce the usage policy with their kids. I hate the cop out of relying on the schools to set policy and police the kids.

I have 3 kids - 12, 16, 18 and simple rules for mobile phones and computer use. -No phone until you are 14.
-No social media apps until you are 17.
-Not to be used during school hours unless approved - the math class my oldest two have been in allow them to use their phone and some math related apps.
-No devices in your bedroom after dinner until breakfast - they go on the charger in the kitchen
-Password to your devices goes in a sealed envelope. As long as your phone is on our plan we get the password. If we crack the envelope they will know. I haven't had to open one yet.
-Car related - you do not touch the phone in the car other that for maps. You text when you leave/arrive. Don't want to do that check in? No car for you.
-Never, never, NEVER unlock your phone for any teacher, school administration or LEO. Ever. Passwords are never given to anybody, ever (other that my wife and I). If somebody wants to see what is on the device or any connected apps they need a warrant and they need to come through me.

My kids know that every now and then I casually ask if I can see their phone - and review all apps, texts, history, etc. I do this about every 3 months and have only had an issue once. It was a minor issue, got explained why it was an issue, corrected, and has not been an issue since.

Most parents are too busy trying to be buddies with their kids. They think that giving kids phones and apps and having them liked on Facebook will make them happy. I have seen too many kids doing very stupid stuff with their phones. There are enough good activities they can do that involve real social interaction. Build those skills and when you prove you can do that well then talk to me about social media.

When I was giving the privilege of driving it was more than just the behind the wheel instruction and passing my test. My dad made sure I knew how to handle various situations - flat tire, engine failure, etc. How to drive in the snow. How to handle driving with others in the car - how you become responsible for their safety and make sure they buckle up. He made sure I understood the economics - gas, maintenance, repair costs, etc - and the impact of these based on how I drive.

I think today's smartphone to a teenager is as big of deal as a car was 30 years ago when I first got one. They give them as much freedom as the car did back then. They also come with about the same level of responsibility. How can we expect kids to manage smartphones responsibly without the same level of rules, guidelines and supervision as car? This is why so many fall to the time suck and depression cycle that Facebook and others bring - they are not prepared to handle it.
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Well I gotta say THIS.
How many of US here are Guilty as hell of the same thing?
Checking the Markekticker Or Any of your Favorite blogs or Forum board(s)?

Meh.

How many of those SELECTIVELY profile you and then display content that said profile believes will make you feel good, bad, or whichever we want to do to get you to buy something? None -- but Facebook does, Instagram does, Google probably does and Snap, well, not yet but you bet they're trying to figure out HOW.

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As you turn your *device* on seeing whats going on in the World, As confined to your ID Policies OR Politics..

Self-selection takes place in real life. Do you interact with screaming lunatics from the other side of your political calculus in a bar? Probably not.

But YOU are making that choice -- not being manipulated into a reinforcing loop as a means to get you to buy things and sell your data to some broker to do who-knows-what with it.

SECOND, you are an adult. YOU have the right to blow your own brains out if you wish, drink yourself to death, or walk in front of a train. Yes, people will tell you otherwise, but the facts say differently.

Now tell me -- does someone have the right to exploit your CHILD in this fashion? IF there, why not sex? Why isn't that fair game too? We call that "grooming" in the real world and it's a serious offense. The reason it's an offense is that we recognize that kids are incapable of processing this sort of thing objectively and thus are legally infirm in making the decision to do so on their own.

So why does Zuckerpig get to do this?

And more to the point, why did you just make an excuse for it?

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Starting to see a pattern here. One of the largest personal data collection sites and one of the largest purchasing data collection sites are allowed to operate unfettered by the largest criminal organization participating in the greatest scam ever to reduce your wallet by 1/5. But hey, it's all good because my grass is the right height, I drive the speed limit, and stand in that line patiently waiting for my physical or electronic grope.
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