So It's All OK With Obama, Hillary, Bill And Holder?
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2017-12-03 12:41 by Karl Denninger
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So It's All OK With Obama, Hillary, Bill And Holder?
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You pretty much have to decide here folks.

I'm down to a very short list of people I will associate with.  I've already eliminated anyone who supports what Hillary Clinton did with classified information or thinks it's "no big deal" and shouldn't have led to her being indicted -- and still doesn't.

It's even worse if you think Trump shouldn't be indicted now but think Hillary should be, or vice-versa, particularly after this little escapade from President Trump himself on Twitter, in which it appears he incriminated himself, literally giving the finger to the rule of law in public.  Having figured out this morning (apparently) that he really stuck it to the pooch's cornhole with that tweet the backpedaling has become so furious that you can actually feel the air being sucked out of the room as Trump tries to bury what certainly appears to me to be a public admission of not only an impeachable offense but a criminal felony by the President himself.

Maybe the truth is that I have no "Tribe" as there's no rule of law left and everyone in this nation is willing to excuse outrageous criminal conduct by one person or another so long as they're a member of their favored political group.  If that's the case then I think it's time for me to go find a nice secluded piece of dirt somewhere, put up a fence with "The hell with the dog, beware the owner!" and "Live fire rifle practice takes place on this property at all hours of the day and night; DO NOT ENTER" signs all over the place, buy a few chickens and goats and live out whatever time I have left with me, myself and I, saying "**** you" to everything and everyone.

There's a young woman who's dead in California exactly because nobody gives a **** about the rule of law, may I remind you.

There have in fact been plenty of Americans killed for this exact reason over the last couple of decades. This is not just the story of one young woman killed by an illegal invader who five times illegally entered the United States and who was set free on purpose just before he killed her by a city government that willingly and knowingly ignored that fact.  In fact re-entry in this fashion to the United States is not a "mere" process crime or a little misdemeanor; it is a felony.

It's also those who died in Benghazi while Hillary looked on and laughed after being embroiled (along with others) in what was almost-certainly a very-illegal and outrageous arms scheme in that part of the world which she really wanted to keep quiet.  It's Brian Terry, a border agent killed by a Mexican invader who was using a firearm that our own Attorney General allowed to be knowingly illegally sold into Mexican drug rings from a shop here in the United States.

If we open it up to those who were financially ruined or had their health destroyed by willful misconduct and lies then the list expands to an utterly huge number of Americans -- maybe even a majority.

It's all those who got scammed by Wells Fargo, a serial offender in the mortgage scam, in car loans and in opening fake accounts -- yet nobody went to prison and the bank is still operating, despite being busted again recently for screwing FX customers.  That, I count, is four serial offenses; exactly how many times do you have to rob people of far more than would qualify for "grand theft" treatment by anyone else, and why does not "three strikes" apply to them?  There are people sitting in prison for life for stealing a few hundred dollars worth of merchandise as their third strike, as that's a third felony.

"Doctors" and other "medical professionals" knew their "dietary guidelines" were **** and didn't care.  They knowingly told you to eat trash -- in many cases by being bribed and in others by simply refusing to actually square what they were allegedly being told with basic biological fact that any farmer who has fattened up a cow or pig has known for hundreds of years and which the Bible strongly suggests has been known for over 2,000 years when speaking of "killing the fatted calf."  Instead of working against such corporate and their own personal interests, both of which lay in making as much money as possible those so-called "physicians" lied and took your money while you got fat, sick, diabetic, had your toes and feet cut off one at a time, were forced onto dialysis and died, all while they earned a new Porsche every ****ing year and sent their kids off to tony private schools to learn how to screw you some more with the money you were forced to give them after their advice got you sick!  They started this horse**** in kindergarten and it continues today in the schools.  It wasn't just carbs and fats they lied about either.  It was also rage monster attacks linked to psychiatric drugs they handed out like candy -- including to kids through what amounted to (and still does) forced drugging, despite knowing full well (because it showed up in their clinical trials) that in a small but real percentage of people, especially those under the age of 25, it made them literal homicidal maniacs.  A huge number of mass-shootings are in fact linked to exactly this as I've reported on repeatedly over the last decade.  There has been exactly zero accountability for any of it; not one drug company or physician group has ever been prosecuted, jailed or hung for that despite the dead bodies stacked like cordwood on an annual basis; so-called "medical errors" alone are the third leading cause of death in the US.  Hell, we could go back to the tobacco issue if you'd like too.  Oh, sure, why not?  Gee, want me to dig up the infamous Congressional hearing where they ask if tobacco is addictive?  That was easy -- this is as recently as 1994 folks.

How many tobacco executives went to prison for lying to Congress, which I remind you is a felony, and was trivially proved not much later when internal corporate documents came to light that demonstrated exactly that?  That count is zero, may I remind you.

For more than 10 years I've been reporting on this crap, writing more than 11,000 articles skewering officials in the Bush, Obama and now Trump administrations. The Market Ticker began publication in 2007 with, if you remember, an article on WaMu's paying dividends with money that didn't exist, an act that the FDIC, OTS, OCC and Fed (never mind the SEC) should and could have body-slammed their executives with safety-and-soundness charges, and likely criminally charged people as well.  They didn't and a year and change later the bank collapsed.  Then there was IndyMac in which an OTS supervisor knew about backdating deposits and actively worked with the bank to conceal it -- they collapsed too.  Nobody went to jail in either instance  That latter abuse was especially outrageous because the very same "examiner" was later identified, he did the same thing just before the S&L collapse and not only wasn't prosecuted he wasn't fired either, or he wouldn't have been there to do it with IndyMac.

Then there's Ben Bernanke who testified before Congress that he added liquidity during the original phases of the crash in 2008.  The NY Fed's own public desk reports proved that The Fed in fact pulled over $120 billion from the banking system right into the maw of the collapse over a 4-day period, exacerbating it, and given the timing might have in fact caused it -- the exact opposite of what he testified to having done.  I reported on this and faxed all 535 members of Congress with said proof and yet in the ensuing months of his testimony not one Representative or Senator asked him to square his statements before Congress with the facts published by his own NY Fed's desk, nor did any member of the media go after him on that very-apparent and outrageously false statement either.

Well?

Now people want to talk about "Making America Great Again" and how "Trump" is "doing that", wearing cute red hats and crowing about the record stock market.  Really?  We have more anti-trust violations than ever, not one thing he promised to do to decapitate the (felonious) medical monster has been done (despite there being not one but two Supreme Court decisions making clear he could direct his AG to do so and they're not only winners in court he could jail executives in hospitals, insurance and pharama firms; restoring competition in that industry would drop costs 80% in an afternoon instantly and permanently fixing virtually all federal state and local budget problems without raising a single tax on anyone anywhere), there's not been one instance of the Rule of Law actually being applied against anyone in the corporate or political sphere (despite all the promises to "lock her up") and now we have a brazen, in your face middle finger erected to the rule of law in the form of a tweet.

No wonder the stock market is at record highs when robbing people becomes sport for anyone on the Forbes 400 list -- but too bad you're not a CEO and thus can't rob the American people blind yourself. That "privilege" is reserved for people like Beelzebezos, Zuckerpig, Hastings and Mr. "Gods Work" himself in NYC, never mind the so-called "health" industry mavens.

Instead you're drowning in student debt you were conned into taking on for a worthless degree within a system that has seen costs ramp relative to wages by something like 10x, football players get huge monuments erected to them in college stadiums while they don't even need to show up to class in order to get a "degree", you've got an 8 year auto loan on a car that will be obsolete in 5, household debt has never been higher and median income has barely moved in over 10 years and that's before all the theft you're exposed to on a daily basis.

If you're not in the 1% you've been rat****ed for the last couple of decades while those in the 1% and above have robbed the other 99 -- and not only gotten away with it half the country cheers them on while they are being actively bent over the table depending on who is in office this week, month or year!

Hell, 95% of the US population thinks "Net Neutrality" is a "good thing."  May I remind you that back when this was in the media Netflix got caught intentionally destroying their own customer experience and lied about ISPs being responsible for it to get that passed by the FCC.  Who went to prison for that?  Nobody; Hastings instead has seen the stock price increase by 500%, stoked by stealing the firm's transport costs from non-customers!  If you're a Netflix customer you are robbing your neighbor who is not.  If it's perfectly legal for him to shoot you if you stick him up in his driveway for $30 why isn't it when you do it while he's sitting in his living room on an every-month basis?  There's a clean argument the company wouldn't even exist if the firm had to cover its own transport and thus your bill wouldn't be $10/month -- it would be $30 or $40.

If you were my friend, robbed a bank, I found out about it then the FBI came and interviewed me and I tried to talk them out of going after you claiming that "he's a really good guy", then a few weeks later managed to fire the FBI guy doing the investigating my ass would rot in a federal person for 20 years -- and justly so.  Hell, if I merely lied to said FBI guy I'd do hard federal time. 

Yeah, I know, Trump claims Comey made that conversation up out of whole cloth.  Surrrre he did, with a memo taken to his files at the time it allegedly happened.  How would Comey have gotten any possible idea to write such a memo unless the conversation took place?  Let me remind you that it was taken to file on a secure FBI system and thus exactly when it was written can be and has been proved. If you believe Trump on this you're either dumber than a box of rocks or are intentionally lying and thus have no valid space within a conversation between intelligent people.

Rule of law?  What's that?  That's what it's called if Dennis Hastert gets arrested for paying off some guy who he abused when the "guy" was a kid due to trying to structure transactions illegally in order to avoid them being the subject of formal IRS reporting -- but where was the Rule of Law when he was committing the abuse?  Oh, that was missing.  Just like it was for Clinton and now just like it is for Trump.  You see it's not politically expedient for the people to insist that The Rule of Law apply to everyone, all the time.  No, that would be terrible because then their favored pet political scam that is making a few wealthy while working you all up into a partisan froth and robbing you blind with fake "tax cuts" and "Obamacare" get-the-doc-and-hospital-dude rich scams while shoving you and your grandfather into a six-foot deep hole after you're asset-stripped to the point that the pitiful raisins you claim to have for balls are exposed would be disrupted.

Meh.

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Cerich
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Yeah, no ****.

But you're wasting time, it's clear now that people don't care about what is right, only picking the right "winner" look how many ****s made their first post in your other thread to defend someone that just admitted a felony. They don't care, because it was their team. **** them.
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If that's the case then I think it's time for me to go find a nice secluded piece of dirt somewhere, put up a fence with "The hell with the dog, beware the owner!" and "Live fire rifle practice takes place on this property at all hours of the day and night; DO NOT ENTER" signs all over the place, buy a few chickens and goats and live out whatever time I have left with me, myself and I, saying "**** you" to everything and everyone.


Not that I think you'll need the help, but if you need an extra pair of hands to get any of it up and going - let me know. Particularly if you end up anywhere near me.

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"The fattened calf". Indeed.

Really, that one line about sums up what has been going on since the Bronze Age in more ways than one. It also makes a good metaphorical comparison: the herd of fattened people. The old timers used to call them "fat heads".

The fat heads (all fat and no neurons) can't think for themselves. They have to be herded. Herded. Indeed.

Sheeparding.

That's the game. It always has been and always shall --- at least for the foreseeable future. And Trump is no different except he's not pure evil like Hillary. Not all swamp creatures are created equal, some are more slimy than others and some less, and Trump is just not as slimy... That's all. I supported him because I believed he wouldn't be as quick to ban guns as Hillary. Trump is a very fine swamp shepard. Indeed. And the make-America-great-again herd of sheep will be shorn --- but perhaps not eaten. Obama and Hillary are sheep eaters. They love the taste of mutton. Trump does too, but not so much. Trump is letting the sheep keep the guns. And that could be the silver lining.

And going forward guns shall become very important. For one thing, a body is going to need guns to protect his "chickens" and other food sources from both two legged and four legged predation.

And here is the last point I'll make: Trump has a Trump card: war with North Korea. I wouldn't worry too much about Trump getting taken down ( unless they do him like JFK) because the big story which will eclipse everything is either a big war with North Korea or Iran... Take your pick. Either way the news shifts off of everything else and the American herd is totally focused on war.

Lastly, I actually think there's a 50/50 chance of seeing nuclear war between North Korea and The United Swamps of America. So get ready... just in case..
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I am betting the good ol' U, S of A is, dollar for dollar, the most corrupt country in the history of Earth.

Other than property taxes it can be escaped.

Winding it down here in NW Colorado.

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PS. I strongly recommend against the goats.

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That's the game. It always has been and always shall --- at least for the foreseeable future. And Trump is no different except he's not pure evil like Hillary.

On that point you're wrong. He's just more-slippery than she is.

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I'm right in there with you. I've all but given up on the rest of society to care to set things right or to do anything to starve the beast, as it were. Heck, just getting my peers to turn their eyes away from and set down their stupid cellular tracking/spy devices or turn off a television set long enough to even contemplate anything serious is a major task.

Everyone seems to be uncaring of the fraud perpetrated all around and on us in nearly every aspect of life and unwilling to do anything to make a change. They gladly complain about their situation (hardships typically caused by all the frauds, be the topic health, education, financial, political, etc.) but will not face the hard facts as to why or will seemingly gladly admit to being too lazy to do even the simplest thing (ex. refer to the health issues you mention), let alone anything more drastic to effect change on a societal-level.
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PS. I strongly recommend against the goats.
Pygmy goats are great pets if you raise them from birth, dehorn them, and castrate the bucks (at which point they become wethers). With the chickens, you've really got to watch out for raccoons, possums, and minks. We lost all of ours to some raccoons a couple of years ago. The killing fields each morning were not pretty.

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Its not just the political arena. Company VP decides to tour a hot airplane during manufacturing. Employee asked him to take off his rings (live wires everywhere and its policy). VP literally said those rules were for the other people. That was the beginning of the end for me there. And that attitude was RAMPANT.
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It's ****ing everywhere. In small rural town Ohio, "nonprofit jurisdiction and/or school groups" with zero presence on the Ohio Secretary of State business listings (**** being listed as nonprofit), on the Ohio AG's listing of charitable organizations, and on the IRS 501(c)(3) listing ... all of which are mandated. But no one cares (or put more accurately, no one raises a fuss for fear of being thrown in the burn pile). And one of these "nonprofit" groups doing bingo each week (if not more frequently) without a bingo license. But it's all OK. I guess rules don't apply to them.

But god forbid that you go 40 in a 35 in town ... whoo whoo whoo ... the local cops come a flashing.

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It's not just this time. Think back 18 years when there was open lawlessness at all levels of government and the financial industry. The President of the United States openly sold the most sensitive defense technology to an adversary that he enriched through lopsided "free trade." That has enabled China, Korea, and now Iran to have the weapon systems they have always needed to threaten us on our soil.

NOBODY GIVES A ****, even though if the Chicoms or Norks make good on their threats, Seattle real estate might take a hit (gasp!)

I was living in rural Hawaii at the time, and was fairly insulated from what was happening. What little I knew of what was happening was appalling, and what was I telling everyone that would listen?

If not for the stock market running up double digits PER MONTH, these *******s would be in prison. Think back to the early 70s, when the president was elected, not by a plurality because an unstable third party entered the race, but by an overwhelming 49 state landslide. Within two years, you couldn't find anyone that would admit to voting for him, and he was out on his ass - dependent upon a presidential pardon. Why? Stock market was flat to down for years on end.

Nobody gives a **** because they are too busy counting their money. Politicians have to know that when the markets are up, they can do whatever they want. Outright fraud in the financials? No problem, PROVIDED the markets go up. We only care when they go down.

I've said this since the beginning of TF, and am convinced of it more than ever, this clown show won't end until the markets go down AND STAY DOWN. Whitey McWhite only cares about his ability to live in style and retire. Sell out his kids and grandkids to immigration, free trade, and institutionalized lawlessness and fraud? No problem, so long as he gets his retirement home on the beach or in the hills, and enough money to insulate himself from the mess he allowed.

We had the chance in 2008, but didn't do it because of the resurgent stock markets and home prices. There was an ONION piece at that time that stuck with me, and the subject was that Americans wanted a new bubble to speculate themselves to wealth.

That was satire that was more truth than the truth.

If we go to the numbers listed on the Ticker masthead, Whitey McWhite will FINALLY care about everything and attempt to right the ship, but only once he realizes that those numbers are here to stay.

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If you were my friend, robbed a bank, I found out about it then the FBI came and interviewed me and I tried to talk them out of going after you claiming that "he's a really good guy", then a few weeks later managed to fire the FBI guy doing the investigating my ass would rot in a federal person for 20 years -- and justly so. Hell, if I merely lied to said FBI guy I'd do hard federal time.


What if that FBI agent had previously taken you aside and appeared to threaten you with a dossier of lies that later turned out to be the paid oppo research of your political opponent? What if the agency was running a phony 'collusion' investigation on behalf of your political opponent based on her dossier including illegal political surveillance of you and your incoming administration?

Where's the collusion? With Nixon there was an underlying crime. Here Hillary's lies form the basis of a phony accusation passed to her cronies in the FBI.

Trump with 1st hand knowledge he didn't collude with Russia knows he's the subject of a corrupt, politically motivated investigation intended to remove him from office. The lead investigator into 'collusion' Peter Strzok has just been outed along with one of Mueller's top lawyers as a member of Hillary's 'resistance'. You can safely add McCabe and probably Comey to that club too.

The web of corruption here is deep. Trump is stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea. The subject of a corrupt investigation with no basis but any attempt to even disarm it as head of the executive and he's accused of 'obstruction of justice'.

PS - long time lurker and admirer but feel deeply Trump is on the wrong end of a huge injustice so registered to vent my spleen.
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Meh.

First, where was all this anger when Bernanke intentionally crashed the stock market in 2008 -- under Bush, I remind you. Yes, he did. I documented him yanking over $100 billion in liquidity and FOUR DAYS later banks failed and the market blew up. Then he testified BEFORE CONGRESS that he had ADDED liquidity.

There was NOT ONE question directed at him about this despite my faxing (at my own expense, and it was a fair bit of expense at that) a copy of the proof FROM THE NY FED'S OWN WEB SITE to every single one of the 535 Senators and Reps. NOT ONE, including the much-vaunted FRAUD Ron Paul, took up the issue.

Of course we then had the election a couple of weeks later, after The House and Senate handed a $700 billion blank check to Paulson DESPITE a 100:1 "against" ratio of calls to the House switchboard. Despite that you could count the ejected members of the House on the fingers of one hand.

Then of course we have what Eric Holder did, which got people directly killed, Benghazi (more people directly killed) and the Obamacare medical scam which has ass*****d people blind and skull-****ed them for good measure. Exactly zero retribution was taken for that. Trump promised to kill the medical monopolies on the campaign trail by forcing pricing into the open and LITERALLY on election day that promise disappeared and has not been seen since.

Vent your spleen eh? Well, either the rule of law exists or it does not. If it does not (and you both admit it does not and are fine with that) why aren't you practicing a little "no rule of law" yourself? I know the answer -- you have balls the size of raisins and want someone ELSE to do it for you, because you're unwilling to take any risk on yourself -- even the waving of signs and peaceful economic protest!

Since you said you wanted to vent your spleen I'll assist -- here's your spleen -- and a few other things -- all vented out.


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" [Trump] is just more slippery than [ Hillary] is".

If that's true, then we are really in trouble...

Trump may very well be a wolf/tyrant in sheepdog clothing, but Hillary and Obama were openly and aggressively out to flood America with illegals and take my guns away. Obama and Hillary openly promote a wicked, wicked agenda. So I know for sure what I'm getting the Clintons.

Trump may indeed be more slippery, but I still have my AR-15 and AK-47 and other guns that would be for sure outlawed under a new and improved Clinton Crime bill had that wicked woman been elected. The Supreme Count nominee would have also been a gun grabber for sure had he or she been chosen by that witch.

I hope you're wrong, Karl, because if Trump is worse or basically the same as Hillary, then the far reaching ramifications of that wouldn't bode well for what's left of America... And if Trump takes us to war, well we know what could happen then.

Better pick up a few more chickens and boxes of ammunition... and fallout supplies...
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Trump lied in his campaign about medical fraud, saying he was the law and order candidate. Then he broke the law. Why care what happens to him, it's over for this country anyway.

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Joshua: Greetings, Professor Falken.

Stephen Falken: Hello, Joshua.

Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

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Ive never known a time in my life (32) that the USA hasnt had wall to wall corruption. Its not an excuse but just an empirical fact of my life.The only thing that changes politically are the infinitesimal changes to GGG wedge issues.

With Obama we had a grinders economy. With Trump its the hungry hippos economy: get as much as you can before the game stops. For me that means stacking enough cash to buy some arable land with water and an orchard planted and some solar panels. BTC, ETFs and gold dont fill the belly.
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Deja Vu...was at a friend's house last night discussing the current BS and specifically health care and the racket....the topic got around to the dozens of faxes I sent to my reps during the financial raping inneed2008 and friend's wife talked about the ONE sheet just sent regarding health care...the content made me roll my eyes and say you just don't get it do you. Your getting raped and taking it. Then a whole discussion on why the stock market is not the economy..... Felt like sticking my finger in a light socket.

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Yo, Quik49, trying to talk with my family members about the 'bezzle going on everywhere often makes me consider standing barefoot in a steel pan full of hot salt water on wet concrete and sticking my tongue in a light socket.

Nah. Just go to the country and send some more lead downrange. Maybe a lot more lead.

Of course, lead downrange is a good thing in itself. But it has to be replaced, since there might be more "high-value" targets at some point. I hope not, but hope is kind of thin there.

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What's getting thin and scarce are friends ...have a couple that can and will be counted on when the time comes...til then the herd just gets smaller and smaller....

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I remember a similar conversation I had circa 1993 shortly after slick willie took office. The Repubs of my acquaintance were belly aching to the effect that "The Dems got away with it so why shouldn't we?". I raised the same concerns as Karl and no one really gave a ****. I pretty much came to the conclusion that left unchecked, this line of thinking would at lead to Mad Max here in the US of A. I was just a stupid 20-something at the time but my experience with human nature led me to assume that the polity would continue to deteriorate.

Sometimes it kinda sucks being right....
Baydog
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Americans collectively have Stockholm syndrome. Americans as a whole will excuse corruption and outright criminality from their oppressors ( Business, Medical and Financial Sectors, Political and Justice systems, etc) because they have a psychological alliance with their abusers. This happens in oppressive relationships as a survival strategy in which the victims hopes the oppressors develop Lima syndrome in which the oppressor experiences empathy towards their victims.

Obama, Clinton, Trumps, Republican Party, Democratic Party, etc, etc, can commit blatant frauds and falsehoods yet their cult followers will still passionately defend them because as in Stockholm syndrome Americans have a belief in the humanity of their leaders, thinking these people hold the same values as them. American keep voting these same Congressmen back into office no matter the obvious threat to the economic and financial well being of America this entails because they think they personally will be exempt from being a victim of the financial and economic assaults Congress continually makes upon 99% of Americans.
Bodhi
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Of course we then had the election a couple of weeks later, after The House and Senate handed a $700 billion blank check to Paulson DESPITE a 100:1 "against" ratio of calls to the House switchboard. Despite that you could count the ejected members of the House on the fingers of one hand.


Up until this point I still had a shred of hope remaining that our country wasn't corrupt beyond repair, and that the electorate would vote out their mis-representatives.

Karl, thanks for keeping this forum alive for as long as you have. It's good to have a "safe space" for articulate analysis and discussion.
Smitty
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Collectively, this country will get what it deserves.

We elect, then repeatedly re-elect critters with evil designs to political office...

We avoid true Liberty-maintenance by avoidance of honest service and duty as Grand jurors and trial jurors, tossing away independent inquiry in order to serve government prosecutors and judges what they crave...convictions.

It's not really a new problem...we have accepted whatever BS we have been fed, especially when the 1% of the time-mostly prominent merchants & lawyers-exceeded their authority to adjust the Articles of Confederation and instead scrapped that document, and proposed the Constitution that has led us to...the present clusterf**k. (note that the Philadelphia 'convention' was held in secret behind locked and guarded doors, then the result, the Constitution was paraded in the public square for a hurried and urgent ratification process)

The Anti-Federalists (Patrick Henry and the like) were very prescient in their warnings that the Constitution was a blueprint to the gradual shift towards totalitarianism that is now the norm, and has been the norm for at least our lifetime. Ratification was nearly defeated, given more time for digestion of what we were spoon-fed, defeat may even have been likely...

Since then, many have attempted persuasion to build a consensus in order to effect meaningful change...only to come face to face with a brick wall of absolute idiocy...a people consumed by materialism and accumulating wealth, dedicated to the false self gratification and constant delusion provided by the entertainment/news industry.

"...they call it the Earth which is a dumb kinda name, but they named it right 'cause we behave the same...we are dumb all over..."
-FZ from lyrics to Dumb All Over

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There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.

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