Is There Moore?
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2017-11-14 08:53 by Karl Denninger
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Is There Moore?
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The worm turns....

Beverly Young Nelson, appearing with Gloria Allred, said that when she was 16 Moore groped her in a car, locked the doors, grabbed her neck in an attempt to force sexual contact and left her with bruises after she escaped. Her story will be subjected to scrutiny, but as a self-described Trump voter, Nelson has no apparent motivation to lie. She is the first accuser to say that Moore accosted her, and in fact says she feared he would******her.

Well, are we sure of that?  Gloria Allred has a long and well-documented axe to grind with anyone who isn't a Democrat.  Her very association with the story taints it.

I'm not convinced, but I don't get to vote in the special election.  I will say this, however -- there's a claim Moore signed this Beverly's High School Yearbook.  Does the yearbook still exist and has that been seen in public?  In other words, did he really do so?

That would make my eyebrows go up.  Oh, there are probably reasons for a 30ish year old adult man to sign a teen girl's high-school yearbook (including, may I remind you, her asking him as someone she thought was 'cute' or maybe even more) but that signed yearbook certainly would go to credibility, and it would be the first piece of documentary evidence to back up the story.

Or would it?

Let's assume she's got the yearbook (it has shown up) and Moore really is a creep and committed sexual assault behind her place of employment.  So she's got in her possession a yearbook that would make her cry every time she pulls it out for the last 40 years?  Hmmmm...

I'm not the brightest guy out here in newsland but I understand people and psychology fairly well.  Damn few people keep around and refer to things that cause them severe psychological pain to go back through unless they have to for some reason.

So tell me in the comments -- did the yearbook show up on the TeeVee with his signature?  Can we corroborate that Moore actually signed it and it hasn't been tampered with?  If so then someone ought to consider that one of two things has to be true:

1. Beverly had it signed after she was allegedly assaulted by the man who assaulted her.  In this case my bull**** detector goes off instantly and Beverly's credibility is immediately and permanently destroyed: The manifest weight of the evidence is that no assault occurred because nobody in their right mind would allow someone who tried to force oral sex upon them and left bruises on their body during the attempt to sign their yearbook.

OR

2. Beverly kept a memento from a man who first signed the book and then, in reasonably close proximity time-wise, sexually assaulted her.  Yet throughout the intervening 40 years she never pulled out that yearbook in front of anyone for she would have been left teary-eyed and, of course, asked for an explanation. Oh, and she never defaced his signature either (like by writing "creep!" over the top of it)?

If I had been sexually assaulted and the person who did it had previously signed my yearbook I'd add an annotation or three to that page, and I might be inclined to do it at the gun range -- if I kept the book at all.  This, of course, assumes that I was assaulted after it was signed.  If that same someone assaulted me and then asked to sign my yearbook they would have wound up eating it -- because I would have rammed it up their ass far enough that they could taste it.

Of course there's always the possibility that the yearbook has been tampered with.  That's easily proved if so; a bit of forensics will get to the bottom of that immediately since it's easy to know whether the oxidation rate of the ink on the page is consistent through the signature -- and is 40 years old.  If not then the entire story collapses instantly since we then have proof of intentionally-false "evidence" and everyone involved in this must be prosecuted and sued, being asset-stripped to their underwear (such tampering would be legally-admissible proof of "bad faith".)

My jury is out, but IMHO it's not looking good for the Allred persecution, er, "prosecution" here....

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I listened to the Hannity interview a couple times. My radar tells me he's telling half truths. My best guess is as a 30 year old he dated a couple of 17,18 year olds. Most likely with the knowledge of the parents as he states. I think the 14 year old story is a flat out lie. And I would bet thousands that the Gloria Allred story is a fabrication.

Still at this point he can't win. The Uniparty has brought him down. He should step down and personally sue all those who have made false claims. And he should investigate for everyone who was involved. This is a spot where we can only hope that Wiki finds who was behind this.

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I dunno -- Alabama is an odd state. I suspect he might have actually GAINED votes from this so far...

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landslide if one of the 17 year olds was a cousin
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pics of the yearbook signature are out there:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/23522/moor....
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Oh I don't doubt it exists, of course.

Which is my entire point.

Nobody would keep a "memento" of their own sexual assault.

PS: Aren't yearbooks usually issued in the SPRING? Think about it -- winter sports and events are usually part of it, as are fall and spring. I did photography for my yearbook several times... Mine were around those years, and so were my kid's during her years in High School. So how do you sign it AT CHRISTMASTIME when it hasn't been issued yet?

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Looks like Gateway pundit is on this....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/....

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Previous year's yearbook, most kids I knew had four of them because each class had a section with all their pictures in the annual yearbook.
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Yep. Now why is she carrying it around in December of the following year?

I had all of them. None ever left my house after the year in which they were issued; they traveled around with me last few days of class and got signed, but that was it.

My money is on the "signature" being forged, simply because I cannot FATHOM being assaulted (sexually or otherwise) by a person who signed my yearbook and keeping the ****ing thing around unaltered for FORTY YEARS, nor would I allow someone who assaulted me to sign it if they assaulted me FIRST.

The story is smiley

I don't know exactly how it's bull****, but I'm very sure it's bull****.

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Since Alred is involved I know there is bull****. The problem I have is we are drowning in so much bull**** it makes everything smell like bull****.
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Absolutely does not pass the smell test. I have over 30 yearbooks in my house spanning 4 generations, 1930 to 2015 and there's not one signature that in any way relates to Christmas and/or someone not involved in the school. They were all passed out at the very end of the school year and signed then. I never knew anyone to hunt up a previous year's yearbook to get a signature from someone - that makes zero sense. My boyfriend was four years older and he never signed my yearbook. It would have been absurd because he wasn't in school.

Gloria Alred dragging herself out of her crypt and across the country tells me someone is getting desperate to nail Moore. I will allow that it's possible he dated teenagers as an older guy but I knew several girls who made a habit of only dating older guys. I couldn't stand the thought myself but they enjoyed the perk$ - blunt truth.
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Realize that we're dealing with people who are so disconnected from reality that they would try to pull this sort of ****.

I served as the photographer on the yearbook committee several times during my Jr. High and High School years as I owned a camera and knew how to run film and prints in a darkroom (B&W of course; nobody had the money for color back then -- and yes, we're talking the 1970s through 1981.) Yearbooks included a large sports section, which of course included spring sports.... duh.

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Would be fitting if Gloria got taken down on this. Never have liked the attention grabbing publicity *****.

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I'd like to see Allred and all the conspirators burn myself. The damned liberal media is being fast and furious in spreading as many lies as they can in this timeframe.

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My observations:

1. The timing of this new accusation couldn't be more calculated; it is meant to disrupt efforts to understand and assess the credibility of the original report.

2. Looking at the yearbook signature, the last name and everything below it appears to be of a piece, in terms of alignment, size, and angle; the note above the signature and the first name seem to me to be a little off in comparison, suggesting that part was written at a different time. In addition, some sources claim to have a full-color image showing that everything after the first name was written with a different pen. I have seen the images, but cannot verify that they are undoctored.

3. The 'mall-prowler' story is the least credible, in my opinion; a traumatized woman might only choose to tell her story now, in the current environment, but a widely-known salacious rumor remaining undiscovered by so many successive political campaigns is awfully hard to believe.

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It's even more-obvious: Nobody keeps a trophy associated with being sexually assaulted.

Ever.

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Fair or not, all I saw was:

"40 years ago..."
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"Gloria Allred"

At that point I stopped reading and moved on.


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I do not believe Allred's client. This accusation is categorically different than the others; this accusation shows someone with a violent personality who will use violence to get his way. All the other accusations involved persuasion and a willingness to be persuaded. I also do not believe the Coffman allegation.
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I think Alabama gives the rest of the Country that wants to meddle in local politics the Finger.



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I don't believe her. I have seen women interviewed after years of abuse. They have time to reflect and come to terms with what happened. Did you see Elizabeth smart or jaycee dugard or Amanda berry cry like that? And they had it worse than some guy allegedly shoving her head in the vicinity of his crotch.

That said, looks like he was tossed out of the mall in early 80's for bothering teen girls. If they were over 16, wasn't illegal. But still real creepy. I am just astonished that it took 40 years to come out.

Rush said Moore was a dem before 1992. I guess that explains it lol.

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Link to the CNN tweet in which the photo of the yearbook page shows two different colors of ink:

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/nojs_router....

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Oh, what fun you could have with 30 seconds of forensics on that ink.... two swabs, bit of rubbing alcohol on each, touch the top with one, bottom with the other, toss 'em through a Chromatograph.

Busted instantly, even without a fancy one -- the old one we had in my High School chem lab would do just fine, and I know how to run those.....


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Would it take a subpoena to make that happen?

Alabama Crime lab could do that and make it televised live.

The Governor needs to make that call.

I doubt that they would supply the evidence before the election and that would be enough to undermine the claim.

Hire Maury Povich to read the results.




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Yep. Either there would have to be a criminal charge (e.g. election tampering) or Moore would have to sue and then subpoena it. It's technically a destructive test (since it requires a tiny bit of the ink) but as destructive tests go it's very mild.

If the two inks are identical they will show exactly identical peaks on time (perhaps slightly different on amplitude due to sample size difference.) If they're different, well, you're busted - they're not the same ink. If there are RELATIVE differences then the inks are the same but of different age (unlikely in this case; 40 years is a long time to manage to pull that one off.)

My bet is you'd find they're completely different; ink compositions have changed a LOT over the years due to toxicity concerns and such, and the odds of them being anywhere close chemically if one is recent and the other old are nearly zero.

Even a monkey running the machine (me) could get you a solid answer. A trained lab tech would find this to be trivially easy and any layman will understand it by simply looking at the graphs; they'll have peaks in different places.

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The dead give away to me that this is 100% manufactured BS is that now everyone is talking about Moore, rather than the now proven widespread DNC/Russia/Clinton collusion, or the nearly every day accusations of sexual assault being leveled against Hollywood and legacy media outlets.

I don't believe this story about Moore for a second, but true to form the cucked RNC is running away from Moore with it's tail between its legs, squealing "I'm not a misogynist or a sexual pervert!" for any amenable media person to hear.

These accusations pop up every damned time because the scumbag DNC knows that the Capital E establishment Republicans will roll over and present their bellies like the cowards they are once the accusation is trumpeted from the rooftops. It is like nobody was paying attention during the campaign last year, when the same exact thing happened to Trump, and he dared anyone to prove it.
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