Obama Still Doesn't Get It: 2nd Amendment
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Posted 2013-01-27 14:37
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Obama Still Doesn't Get It: 2nd Amendment
 

Obama's problem on guns is that he continues to put forward an intentionally-false narrative, and in doing so he not only damages himself, he severely insults those who have bothered to read history -- or worse, have experienced it.

President Obama is suggesting that House Republicans on the issue of gun control appear neither willing to work with him nor listen to the American public on the issue.

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The president said he has a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that date back for generations.

He said that moving forward on the topic means understanding that the realities of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas.

He said it's understandable that people are protective of their family traditions when it comes to hunting so “gun-control advocates also need to do “a little more listening than they do sometimes” in the debate.

The Second Amendment has nothing to do with "family traditions" and hunting. 

It has to do with this, which is remembered today:

WARSAW, Poland – Holocaust survivors, politicians, religious leaders and others marked International Holocaust Remembrance Day on Sunday with solemn prayers and the now oft-repeated warnings to never let such horrors happen again.

Events took place at sites including Auschwitz-Birkenau, the former death camp where Hitler's Germany killed at least 1.1 million people, mostly Jews, in southern Poland. In Warsaw, prayers were also held at a monument to the fighters of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943.

Pope Benedict XVI, speaking from his window at St. Peter's Square at the Vatican, warned that humanity must always be on guard against a repeat of murderous racism.

The Second amendment is the guard against murderous racism.

It is the only one that works.

Every genocide in the last 100 years was preceded by gun registration, confiscation or both.

Every single one.

In addition, and key to the point, while mass-murder incidents like Sandy Hook are terrible, there are several facts that none of the "gun control" advocates are willing to discuss or debate.  These are:

  • As a percentage of total homicides these incidents are a tiny percentage of the whole.  Fewer than 100 homicides are "mass shooting" incidents a year.  There are over 11,000 homicides a year in the United States.  It is therefore a fact that the gun control advocates are playing on emotions in that they are attempting to use events that total less than one percent of the annual homicides for political purpose.

  • Not one of the proposals made thus far would have prevented Sandy Hook.  Adam Lanza stole the firearms he used and murdered their owner.  He also possessed multiple firearms, including a common shotgun.  Had one of the weapons not been present, he had three others from which to choose.  Nor would a magazine size restriction have mattered; Harris and Klebold committed their massacre while said ban was in effect and they simply carried more magazines, reloading multiple times (at least ten, if reports are to be believed.)

    Further, and at least as importantly, Harris and Klebold intended to commit their psychotic mass-murder using bombs.  They used firearms as a backup when the bombs failed to explode.  Fortunately their skill level in constructing said bombs was not "up to snuff" as firearms kill people more slowly and less-certainly than bombs do.  I will note that the materials they used to construct those bombs were ordinary civilian propane tanks; items that do not require a background check or license to purchase, fill, store or use.

    The first test of any proposed legislation is that it would actually address the claimed flaw the proponent argues exists.  All of these "gun control" measures fail this first essential test and thus are not intended to address same; they have another undisclosed purpose, and that makes the proponent not only dishonest but a common thug who is using a tragedy to advance a hidden -- and quite-possibly treasonous -- agenda.

  • Obama's Government at the same time claims these guns are "assault weapons" that are "only intended to murder people" while it issued a Statement of Work to acquire 7,000 Personal Defensive Weapons.  What are those weapons?  Let me just quote from the SOW:

General. DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required. Only one specific nomenclature firearm from each Contractor shall be submitted for solicitation testing and considered for contract award.

The solicitation goes on to list other very-specific requirements:

3.9.10 The action shall be capable of accepting all standard NATO STANAG 20 and 30 round M16 magazines (NSN 1005-00-921-5004) and Magpul 30 round PMAG (NSN 1005-01-576-5159). The magazine well shall be designed to allow easy insertion of a magazine.

3.9.11 The receiver top shall be equipped with an integral MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail for mounting sights and other accessories.

3.10 Fire Control Selector.

3.10.1 The fire control selector shall have three positions; safe, semi-automatic, and automatic. The selector shall have positions which are clearly labeled for the mode of fire.

3.10.2 The selector shall operate manually without binding from one position to another when the hammer is cocked.

3.10.3 The selector shall remain in place in each position under spring detent.

3.10.4 The selector shall be capable of being checked for position both visually and by feel.

3.10.5 The selector shall be movable between the mode of fire positions by the operator without moving the firing hand from the shooting position.

3.10.6 The selector shall be designed to allow for operation by left and right handed shooters with no parts changes or modification.

3.12 Overall Length.

3.12.1 The overall length of the firearm shall not exceed 30 inches with the stock fully extended.

3.12.2 The overall length of the firearm shall not exceed 20 inches with the stock fully retracted and/or folded.

3.14.3 The barrel shall be equipped with a flash suppressor and/or muzzle brake. The muzzle device will be rated on its ability to reduce muzzle signature. It is desired that the muzzle devise effectively reduces muzzle rise during firing.

3.15 Caliber. The firearm shall be chambered for 5.56x45mm NATO.

3.16 Pistol Grip.

3.16.1 The pistol grip shall be a fixed, vertical pistol grip constructed of a durable material.

3.16.2 The pistol grip shall be designed for use by right or left handed shooters.

If the government needs 7,000 Personal Defensive Weapons that can accept and use standard 30 round magazines, possesses a folding stock, are chambered in 5.56 NATO, have a flash suppressor/muzzle brake and have a pistol grip (not to mention being capable of select-fire) then the people can certainly have one or more of them for themselves -- right?  After all this is a Personal Defensive Weapon by the Government's own official, on-the-record declaration!

  • It is a fact that nearly all of these "mass shooters" are or were (in the very recent past prior to the event) on some sort of SSRI -- that is, psychotropic medication.  It it is also the case that nearly all of these assailants are teens or young men under the age of 25.  The drugs companies themselves warn of side effects in a small percentage of the users of these drugs, especially in persons under the age of 25, that have a range of expression that includes extreme rage.  While the percentage of users of these substances that have this sort of bad reaction is very small, when you have one million users (there are in fact more than 20 million!) even a 0.1% "bad outcome" rate results in creating 1,000 rage monsters!  This should be the focus of our public debate -- is this an acceptable price for the alleged benefits that these drugs provide in this age group?  I don't have that answer but that would be an actual productive question to ask.

  • It is a fact that when you dial 911 the police will be there in a few minutes.  It is also a fact that a felonious thug requires only seconds to kill you.  There is only one means available to deter someone who intends to use deadly force upon your person -- and that is to meet their force with equal or greater response.  It might be nice if this was not the case, but that something is distasteful doesn't make it less true.

  • The United States was founded on the premise that all persons are created equal and that they are endowed by their creator with unalienable rights, including the right to life.  That which you are unable to defend because of regulatory fiat is no right at all; it is a privilege.  But the Constitution and Declaration of Independence assert that government never possessed this, you came into possession of it by simple virtue of being human.  The government therefore has no right to prohibit your use of defensive weaponry of any sort to deter someone who would take your life by force.  That is the premise of the Second Amendment, and any infringement of that right is a per-se violation of your natural, God-given rights.  If you do not believe this you are not an American and you do not share America's values.  Those who deny this truth are welcome to emigrate to North Korea; Delta is ready when you are.

  • A foundational principle of American justice is that a guilty person should be punished for his transgressions but his transgressions do not attach to any other person who is not at fault for his actions.  Indeed, Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution forbids "corruption of blood" even for Treason; the crime and attendant punishment ends with the person who committed it.  As such any law that arises from and seeks to punish law-abiding persons due to the acts of a criminal is counter to the foundational principles of this nation.

It is not "House Republicans" who don't get it.  It is that we have a President who craps all over the Constitution on a daily basis, believes that he and his minions such as Turbo Timmy are above the law, refuses to recognize that government has no rights whatsoever, only privileges that are delegated by the people, that unalienable rights are just that -- unable to be lawfully taken although government can certainly attempt to disrespect them, that any government that claims a need for a "Personal Defensive Weapon" for its police and military forces by definition cedes the argument that the citizens have the same need for the same weapon, that through the last 100 years it has been six times more likely that you will be a victim of genocide by your government than murdered by a thug using a firearm, that the only effective defense against that risk of genocide is that you be able to keep and bear defensive weapons equal to that of those who would assault you in this fashion and finally, and most importantly:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Never Again Mr. President.

Never Again.

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Drjerry
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Knowing the ethnic background of Ms Feinstein, I am flabbergasted that she is pushing this. It's as if she wants to get sent to an oven.
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Oh he understands perfectly what the 2nd amendment is about, and he knows it's not about hunting. We can't persuade these Marxists with facts. They only understand ideology and they must destroy all dissent. I suggest you get right with your Maker and #prepareforwar.
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I fear Obummer does get it.

His narrative is likely focus group tested and unfortunately accepted by far more I care to think about.

How many in the last 30 years have received decent education on the constitution or even bothered to read the federalist and anti federalist papers.

Our constitution was arrived at through debate and vetting of each clause.



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Not only doesn't Obama get it, he doesn't WANT to get it. Thus, any logical arguments will be ineffective in changing his position or the views of those with his mindset.


Drjerry - Feinstein isn't worried. It wasn't the ones in charge who were herded onto the cattle cars. As far as she and her accomplices are concerned, elimination of the ability of the potential herdees to resist the potential herders enhances their ability to remain completely unaccountable for whatever other transgressions they have committed (and/or intend to commit in the future) against the people.

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What I learned about him beginning six years ago is that
he is exactly on task. His task is to destroy our current
socio-economic/Christian Judeo way of life.
He's doing it. So far he's got- Single payer Gov't run health care.
Unencumbered entitlements to the "lesser" in society.
Wealth redistribution. Not from the wealthy to the poor.
But, from the middle class to whomever he chooses.
And now gun control. If the son-of-a-***** had whispered
gun control one year ago, he would not have gotten reelected.

Oh, no. It's not that he doesn't get it. It's that there are
far too many folks out their who fail to see his evil nature.

This Congress is going to bear the heaviest burden protecting
our Constitutional guaranteed rights of any Governing body in
US history.

I for one do not think they have the stomach, the back, or the
conviction to stand in front of this Marxist bastard else they
be labeled racist.

God help us.

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Feistein doesn't get it because she is not all that bright. She cannot see anything beyond the next 2 moves and even then only sees a limited number of possibilities.
It means that she thinks that she does not realise that even if things go her way and she gets what she wants there are not going to be some other unforseen developments. After all Julius Caesar thought that everything went his way also. We know how that ended.
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Dianne Feinstein used phrases like 'holding down the trigger and spraying hundred's of rounds into a crowd, shooting from the hip' during her presser. Clearly she has less than zero knowledge of firearms and the uselessness of anything on full auto unless you have a truck of belted ammo to feed you. Her entire position stems from one event.

Feinstein was a city councilwoman in SFO from 1969 to 1978 and she was a first hand witness to the shootings of Moscone and Milk, heard the shots, discovered Milk's body and made the announcement on TV. This calamity made her Mayor of SFO, a post she held until 1988. She ran for office until 1992 when she won the Cali Senate seat and she's been there since.

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On November 27, 1978, San Francisco mayor George Moscone and supervisor Harvey Milk were assassinated by a rival politician, Dan White, who had resigned from the Board of Supervisors only two weeks prior. Feinstein was close by in City Hall at the time of the shootings, and discovered Milk's body after hearing the gunshots and going to investigate. Later that day at a press conference originally organized by Moscone to announce White's successor, Feinstein announced the assassinations to the stunned public, stating: "As president of the board of supervisors, it's my duty to make this announcement. Both Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk have been shot and killed."



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The politicians in favor of "Gun Control" do get it. They are know that Mao was correct when he wrote, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". Our Founders understood that too, which is exactly why they insisted on the Second Amendment, to ensure that The People would always retain some political power for themselves.

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Wis/Min is correct; he gets it.

OK, I can't stand hunting. I could never kill an innocent animal, I don't even kill bugs. There was a scorpion in my cabin over the holiday and I escorted it in a bucket up a dirt road to a safer place. This is why I hardly ever eat meat, although I like it and sometimes do eat it, but it kind of makes me feel like I'm eating my dog.

I support gun rights for self defense for the reasons Karl pointed out on this post. If I have to defend myself or family or friends against someone who wants us to exterminate us, then so be it. So in my mind it is not about the fine tradition of hunting, and I'm sure the government knows this very well. What BS.

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Oh he gets it and by shifting the narrative (as did Herr Cuomo) laws will be more easily passed. At least, that is their game plan.

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Don't think for a second that Mrs Blum or the other demoncrats don't know what they are doing, these people are pure evil and if they don't do something about We the People having the means to defend ourselves soon, they will be the big losers when it all falls apart, They know what's coming, just like those of us that read this site as well as many others, They are Outnumbered and Out Gunned, and they know it, this is a desperate attempt to remain relevant and in power when they throw the switch. They will become increasingly animated over this subject because they are Losing the Argument with WE THE PEOPLE. WE ARE THE ENEMY to these people.
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so who is going to the Rally at the state capitals for the 2nd Amendment on the 8th of February at 10 am
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idle speculation

I don't think they'd be dumb enough to try using military here at home as 'posse comitatus' to round us up .
even though wolfowitz has suggested it.
http://www.dojgov.net/posse_comitatus_ac....

Guys i know just wouldn't do it.
Furthermore the legacy of Nuremburg is 'just following orders' isn't a defense.

Interesting though, Ike sent troops to Little Rock to integrate schools over objection of local government. I guess there's an exception where constitutional rights are involved?

Now that'd be a rich joke - send troops to arrest Feinstein et al for trampling the 2nd?

Where's Peter Sellers and Stanley Kubrick when we need them?

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Guys,
You may find these links of interest

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?sor....

and

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.p....

Do not expect to get the med story to fly. These pols have been paid not to pay any attention to the real cause.

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Every genocide in the last 100 years was preceded by gun registration, confiscation or both.


I beg to differ on that. As in citation needed. Much needed, in fact. Show me the facts, please.

Even if you turn out to be correct for the past century (which, quite frankly, I'm very suspicious about; how about Australia?), scratch beneath the surface and go a few decades earlier. You'll find a genocide for all intents and purposes, going on in the US itself -- of native indians -- where, doh, people had the right to bear arms.

Prior to that, you've plethoras of examples of genocides when owning weapons was not regulated at all -- the idea of regulating such went mainstream in the 19th century. Genocides go all the way back to the 3rd punic wars -- by many viewpoints, the first in history.

At any rate, the key changes that might give the slightest credence to your argument are the development of the police in the second half of the 19th century, and the regulation of gun ownership that came as a consequence in most of Europe and their colonies. But this in no way implies that genocides are a consequence of gun control. Rather, it implies that the two occur together of late as a coincidence.

As for the founding fathers' idea that lack of gun control allows citizens to revolt if needs be, I'm somewhat receptive on paper. And I usually give it outright to anyone who will listen when the topic springs up in Europe. But then, fwiw, history suggests an entirely different outcome in practice.

Specifically, european states were completely obsessed with preventing a repeat of the 1848 revolutions, and fighting anarchist terrorists, in the late 19th century. But here's the thing... Even discounting the tremendous growth in the working class' well being at the time which reduced the incentive to revolt, the police had developed so strongly by then that the average Joe down the street stood absolutely no chance in the face of a fully trained and armed police.

The same applies today exponentially. There's not a chance in hell that a militia in the US or elsewhere, no matter how well armed and pseudo-trained, would last more than moments in the face of an assault by SWAT -- let alone by the army. They'd get slaughtered to pieces here and there.

As a consequence, methinks your entire point is moot. I see the rational behind it, but it's still moot. You'd have a point two centuries ago. Perhaps even a century and a half ago. Back then, a militia would face rookies and stand a chance. The same nowadays? You get Kosovo: manslaughter on a large scale until some third party steps in to rescue hapless civilians. Considering that their military might is probably greater than the rest of the world's combined, I find it unlikely that anyone would do so in the case of the US.

So, moot I say. You've valid points for all sorts of theoretical reasons -- I'll concede that much. But the police is stronger. The army is even stronger.

The only thing that really counts today is where the latter two's loyalty lies -- in the constitution or in whichever nut job ends up elected at the helm. There's not a chance in hell that an individual citizen with an assault rifle or three will make the slightest difference if hell breaks loose.

My $.02...
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Hi Analog, as a student of history name a time when rulers whose position of power was threatened by the population of their country--did not use or attempt to use the military against their own population? This is why splitting the military will be central.

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Ddeb: I have cited sources on this multiple times.

As for "oh no, that won't work nowdays and won't happen" I give you two examples:

Rwanda and Afghanistan.

One in which it did, and one in which the two biggest superpowers in the world with their armies BOTH LOST to a bunch of determined locals with small arms.

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The same applies today exponentially. There's not a chance in hell that a militia in the US or elsewhere, no matter how well armed and pseudo-trained, would last more than moments in the face of an assault by SWAT -- let alone by the army. They'd get slaughtered to pieces here and there.

So that's why we have wrapped up afghanistan so quickly!!!
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It wouldn't surprise me and I would laugh my butt off, if, in a few years, Russia and China were smuggling ammo and crates of guns to ``rebels`` Americans to overthrow the illegitimate gov...

Sometimes, things work in mysterious ways.

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Uncanny that a 'constitutional scholar' like Obama fails to understand simple basic principles that a junior in high school should be able to comprehend. Where did Obama teach constitutional law? U of Chicago? heh. Could you imagine the crap that he must have ingrained into the minds of those vulnerable kids? I bet each classroom has a 12x16 picture of him and the students must bow to it as they walk in and take their seats. I wonder if failure to do so would result in a mandatory takeover or outright expulsion?

It's quite obvious that none of the proposed gun control measures address the root problems. The dots just don't connect. The **** don't float. My question is how many 'house republicans' are willing to call him on his crap? He was able to float his last debt ceiling increase past them. And ObamaCare. And his attack on Libya. And his indefinte extension of the Patriot Act. And NDAA. Is there any indication that he won't be able to do the same with 'gun control'? I'm not so sure.

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Obama is purposely poking people in the eye in order to stir up anger. He knows why the 2nd amendment is there and he wants it rendered irrelevant or removed so that there will be less or no resistance to his agenda.

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which, quite frankly, I'm very suspicious about; how about Australia?),


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Every genocide in the last 100 years was preceded by gun registration, confiscation or both.




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Australia, where the murder rates, the murder rates with firearms, the rapes, the burglaries and home invasions have all spiked higher since they confiscated guns?

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A bit late to the party, but yes, "He gets it."

Please don't ever attribute to ignorance or misunderstanding that that is purely malicious and evil in intent....

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