Well Well Mr. Obama, The American People "Get It"
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Posted 2013-01-18 13:24
by Karl Denninger
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Well Well Mr. Obama, The American People "Get It"
 

I'll be damned.

Two-out-of-three Americans recognize that their constitutional right to own a gun was intended to ensure their freedom.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 65% of American Adults think the purpose of the Second Amendment is to make sure that people are able to protect themselves from tyranny. Only 17% disagree, while another 18% are not sure.

You mean that 2/3rds of the American people read The Declaration of Independence and understand the difference between a right and a privilege?

We're making progress folks.

Look, this is really a binary thing.  The Declaration asserts that:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Government does not grant rights as government never possessed them in the first place.  Government may grant privileges but it may not infringe (under natural law) on rights.

This is the foundational principle of America. It does not matter if 51%, 66%, 75% or 99.999% of the people don't want you to have one or more of your rights

There is no legitimate act, whether by Congress, law, the Constitution or any other means to deprive you of your natural rights, because you are endowed with them by virtue of being human. 

Government may disrespect those rights but it cannot change the fact that you have them, no matter how much disrespect it shows. 

No man can take or restrict that which was not his to bestow in the first place.

If you don't believe in this then you're not an American, no matter where you were born.  You do not share American values.  You do not share the foundational beliefs that created and thus far have sustained this nation.  You are a traitor to Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, Washington and countless others.  In advancing your views you are advocating violence against all in America, as the disrespecting of one's natural rights is the initiation of force -- the very definition of assault.

If you are an elected official and take any position or advocate any law to constrain the ownership of small arms by the people, as defined in our Constitution, you are deserving of immediate impeachment along with both civil damages and criminal imprisonment under 18 USC 242 and 42 USC 1983 for each person who suffers harm, no matter the form or degree, as a consequence of what you advance.

Yes, Obama and Feinswine, this includes (but is certainly not limited to) both of you.

You either believe all of the above or you are a proponent of slavery, the premise that one man is owned by and exists with the permission of another.

The Second Amendment is not a grant of a right by government to the people.  It is a declaration that your Right to Life and Liberty is unalienable and that because your Right to Life and Liberty is unalienable you are entitled to defend yourself against any tyrant that would take your life or liberty, whether that tyrant comes in the form of a rapist at 3:00 AM or an out-of-control government that is trying to murder you and shove you in the hole because of such factors as your religion, political beliefs, race or other characteristics. 

The Colonists demonstrated their understanding of the unalienable Right to Life and Liberty at Lexington Common and Concord in 1775.  They were exactly correct in their actions then, and it is precisely due to their understanding of those unalienable rights that our nation and government exist today.

170 million people have been murdered outside of war by their governments in the last century.  Each and every one of those events was preceded by firearm registration, confiscation or both.  It is much more difficult to murder an armed citizen than an unarmed one, and it is especially difficult to commit mass-murder upon an armed population.

If you need more confirmation than Rasmussen provides just take a trip by your local gun store.  You'll find empty shelves -- they're empty of both of weapons and ammunition.  You can take all the surveys you want by phone but the survey that matters is the vote that Americans express with their wallets, just as the political poll that matters is the one held on the first Tuesday in November.

The American people "get it", by and large, and we must insist that all in every branch of  Government who refuse to both publicly confirm and act in conformance with same be immediately and permanently ejected from public office.

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I think they're all still shocked like they got popped with a stun grenade at the complete sell out of firearms and ammo on the national level.

Apparently retail sales are more convincing than letters and faxes.

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Too far down the rabbit hole to climb out now. The progressives will continue their power grab until they either win or lose. Both of which may be ugly and violent.

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Rasmussen Poll wrote..
72% of those with a gun in their family regard the Second Amendment as a protection against tyranny. However, even a majority (57%) of those without a gun in their home hold that view.
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In the wake of last month’s horrific elementary school massacre in Connecticut, 51% favor stricter gun control laws. There is strong support for background checks of gun owners, but a plurality believes dealing with mental health issues will lead to more effective results. Fifty-nine percent (59%) think Congress and President Obama are likely to create stricter gun control laws.
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The survey of 1,000 Adults was conducted on January 16-17, 2013 by Rasmussen Reports.


I'm curious about the 28% of gun owners who don't know what the 2nd amendment means. I'll venture a guess that the ones who do (or are prone to) stupid things with guns, are in that group.

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The media machine is cranked up. Here in NY they swap out conservative talk radio hosts as part of their control they get replaced with statists like heraldo who is just an fn schill. They are relentless and now so obvious as it is all just propaganda

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The people trying to stuff gun laws at you are criminals and do not care about no stinking constitution.

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Exactly right, Karl, and well expressed, as usual.

And by extension of your compelling logic, the chief executive and all who voted on the recent appalling confiscatory laws in New York, are guilty and should be removed from office RIGHT THE HELL NOW!

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Awesome.

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If you dont believe in the oath dont take it. If you take an oath you better be ready to follow it. The oath has meaning. That meaning does not change based on your pay or status.

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lan astaslem -- it isn't just for [saying to] jihadis anymore.

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Surprising I must say, but good. Unfortunately, our population would probably never reach such conclusions at present.

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The real dramatic messages from the poll are hidden down at the bottom:

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Sixty-six percent (66%) of Likely U.S. Voters believe in America today there is too much government power and too little individual freedom. Sixty percent (60%) feel the federal government today does not have the consent of the governed.

Americans are now evenly divided over whether the federal government is a protector of individual rights or a threat to those rights.


The last one especially is a classic of a trigger scenario for secession and civil war.

Great-grandpa, maybe we can win this time around the war of Northern Government Aggression......

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Now how to we send a real dramatic message to the asshats that keeping for these bills?

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Pretty obvious when he came out with the softball EOs.

They floated the idea, and got back enough feedback to suggest if they tried Dems would get slaughtered worse than in 2010. Even traitor Reps wouldn't save their bi-partisan efforts.

Thus the pull back.
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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 65% of American Adults think the purpose of the Second Amendment is to make sure that people are able to protect themselves from tyranny.

This is misleading. Here is the survey question:
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6* The Second Amendment to the Constitution provides Americans with the right to own a gun. Is the purpose of the Second Amendment to ensure that people are able to protect themselves from tyranny?

No way do 65% of people understand what that means, just 65% of people either understand what it means or don't actively think otherwise (or at all). I'd bet a fair majority of that 65% are in the latter camp, and the fact that 51% of people favor stricter gun laws is testament to that. It's a bit of a logical dilemma to both understand that the natural right to arms exists to throw off tyranny and somehow still think that government--the ultimate source of tyranny in history--should be granted more authority to "administer" that natural right.
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Yep. It has never been a secret. Will Rogers got it back in his day too, as evidenced by my sig line below......


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First, I want to thank Karl for all of his efforts. I really think it is communities like this that are helping get the word out. I don't know what the reader stats are but I hope we have some people reading things here.

Second, I want to thank you guys who kept me switched on and have been part of my awakening. I know this sounds goofy and 'woo woo' but things seem to be picking up in tempo and signal...not just in the terms of dealing with money and the markets but also in the political/societal endgame.

I have no doubt in my mind that holding on to our rights to protect ourselves, our families and our communities will be more important going forward than it has in the past 60 years.

We are at the start of the 4th Turning - the Great Awakening - if you are reading this and are anti-gun, please think about what the 4th Turning will look like before you support any kind of gun control.

The government, at this stage, simply has no intent to be reasonable with regards to gun control. That is a fact as proven by New York and Obama's 23 EOs. The reasonable man - they want to enslave you but first they must take your firearms (tools) and leave you with a club.

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@Tristan,
What is it that you think they don't understand? Please do tell...

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If the gov can deny a right to one American they can do it to all Americans. Since the sixtys we have branded felons and used that to deny rights not 50 years later they want to expand who they deny rights too. 2012 they killed an American without a trial because he was branded a terrorist. Put it all together and you see where we are headed. Unarmed Americans will be shot in the street within my lifetime. How do I know it will happen in my life? Because it already is! Look around tyrany is upon us! Read about men in military garb with mitary training and equipment paid for with federal drug war grants thru local police kicking in doors and killing dogs and people. How is a drug swat team that is paid for with fed monies not military? Stay in line , work and pay taxes,vote correctly never step out side the lines or else!
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Consider me one who does not get all this brew ha ha about guns. Is your position that you should be able to possess ANY type of arms, be it bombs, nuclear explosives, drones, etc? You agree there should be a line drawn, correct? And who should draw that line?

If you think you're going to fight off the U.S. armed forces / drones / etc. with bullets, I think you are delusional. So I guess we should all be allowed to build military-grade weapons on our own?


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Standby, Colacokacola. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Poof!

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Damn you are quick, Karl!!

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Hope you got your $2 for your post from "Obama For America".....

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?

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Cola, I should be free to use whatever force or weapon as is necessary to protect my life from anyone. Period.

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