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Susanjbear
Posts: 419
Incept: 2010-06-10
Salt Lake City, Utah
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McCain is full of himself, like so many other egotists in Washington.
For those who think they "should" have voted for him because O'Bummer has been such a disappointment - McInsane been practically foaming at the mouth eager to vote on every bill that has demolished our liberties.
Not one "liberty" candidate I've conversed with (very few) understands that I take the JUSTICE part of "with liberty and justice for ALL" seriously. Their platforms include downsizing big government. I keep trying to tell them that merely giving a pink slip to people who have committed fraud is not good enough. They just don't get it.
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Susan
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Gamma
Posts: 5723
Incept: 2008-01-20
Northern CA
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Quote:That would have been that -- he would have won in the largest popular vote landslide in history. I can't agree with that statement. I agree McCain might very well have won, and that's all that counts. I recall clearly when he suspended his campaign and remember thinking that had he voted sensibly, could have turned the tide. Remember, he was a "feh" candidate in any event. But for him to flip a 52:47 pop vote to the kind of blazing landslide Reagan achieved is not imaginable. To me, at least.
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This stuff we're going through, this is nothing compared to the Middle Ages.
They told me if I voted for John McCain, an idiot would be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sure enough...
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End_the_bubbles
Posts: 9596
Incept: 2009-03-25
The New 3rd World
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Quote:He lost because he got on his knees and fellated the banksters one week before the election I don't think that's why he lost. People were very high on the "Great Hope & Change" noise (and fumes). You give the populace too much credit for intelligence. I also disagree with you that Obama will lose in November. Unless this fake farce called "The market" collapses between now and then, he's a lock for staying in the White House - not that it really matters at this point....... We are so ****ing ****ed!
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In the long run even the most despotic governments with all their brutality and cruelty are no match for ideas. Eventually the ideology that has won the support of the majority will prevail and cut the ground from under the tyrant's feet and rise in rebellion to overthrow their masters.
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Jimg
Posts: 181
Incept: 2009-02-04
Dunedin, FL
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I am convinced that by the end of the 2008 campaign, McCain didn't even want the job anymore. He just seemed overwhelmed.
I would much rather have had him in the Oval Office from 2001-2009 than the guy we had.
Many people I know, me included, switched their vote to Obama after they became more familiar with Sarah Palin.
Neither of the major party candidates in 2012 is going to do anything about the banksters, unfortunately.
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Ponzi_unit
Posts: 8194
Incept: 2007-09-05
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Afraid they won't smell the coffee until someone spills it in their laps.
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Taxpayers witnessed a crime and stayed around long enough to get charged with it.
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1226
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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McCain seemed clueless "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" and inept during the crisis. Hank Paulson was the alpha male and Obama followed him lockstep.
Palin didn't influence the outcome one bit, maybe she actually helped McCain at the time.
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Flappingeagle
Posts: 1245
Incept: 2011-04-14
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After 4 years neither Cheney nor McCain have figured out why McCain lost.
Is our republic really in that bad of shape that a VP and a US senator can't figure it out in fours years time?
Hell, McCain could flip the election to Romney just by saying that he made a mistake and that if Romney is elected he'll help him to prosecute the banisters.
Flap
Comment on Johnson. Johnson does not want a winning issue, he just wants to pay off his debts.
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Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
"You can't build a house of cards on a shaking table." - Tony Johns
The January 2015 AMZN put at $130 (cost $4.25) will be a winner.
Reason: Added comment on Johnson
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Mannfm11
Posts: 3606
Incept: 2009-02-28
DFW, Tx
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I hate to say it, but the blowing is going in both directions. Could you imagine what would happen if they pulled this current crop of criminals off the controls? The **** would probably fly apart. This is the greatest stealth theft ring ever put together, in that it finances the entire ripoff out of the pockets of the willfully participating, unsuspecting society involved, in the favor of politicians and their cronies. The politicos actually need more criminal action to keep this game going. The sad state of affairs is that if we pulled these guys out, the freed slaves would be begging for their masters to come back in a week. There are just too many people that have been drinking the poison. I suspect the entire game is going to be sucked dry before we wake up, but as long as there is something left, the masses are going to beg the politicos to throw them a bone. The state will be eating steak in the meantime, along with their cronies.
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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
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Smacktle
Posts: 1370
Incept: 2009-01-20
Texas
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McLame is just another guy that has no clue what's going on in the outside world.
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The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier.
- George Bernard Shaw
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Rjsasko
Posts: 67
Incept: 2009-03-23
aurora, IL
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McCain is a creature of Washington and can no longer see the forest for the trees. He has spent half his life there and has become part of the problem. I don't think he lost because he suspended his campaign (as stupid as that was). I know he didn't lose because of Palin (he never would have had a chance without her and I would still vote for her because she is an outsider; the closest thing to a regular person we are ever likely to see running for high office, and she "gets it".) IMHO he threw it away in the debate when he said the economic melt down was caused by Wall Street. My jaw hit the floor when he said that and I cannot remember any candidate handing his opponent the election on a platter like that before. He should have said that Wall Street is full of rot but it did not happen over night and the problem started with Congress and its sleazy dealings and revolving door personnel swaps between politicians, Wall Street, and Lobbyists, and will only end when the people demand accountability from their politicians and smaller Constitutional government. He just couldn't blame himself and all of his buddies on both sides of the aisle for the horrendous mess that they were fully responsible for making.
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Ajamesshaw
Posts: 20
Incept: 2011-10-16
United States
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I voted for the president as a single issue voter in 08, this one. I expect Dems to be bought and paid for by banks, but will hold Reps to a higher standard (My congressional rep voted no both times.)
The GOP had a great opportunity in 08 to stand for justice, but they failed and deserved to lose.
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Docberg
Posts: 165
Incept: 2009-02-20
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McCain was tortured to the point where he is largely irrational. His old commanding officer in the Hanoi Hilton, Admiral Stockdale was a far better man than McCain will ever be. Stockdale was Perot's supposedly interim vice presidential candidate, and was savaged by the media for what they perceived as his lack of performance in the vice presidential "debates". McCain was not all that swift in the first place, and got where he was in the officer ranks from the clout of his ancestors. Sarah Palin is a confused lightweight, but despite her faults managed to inject some life into McCain's listless campaign. What Gen says about McCain is true, but I suspect that if the Repubs were smart enough to have reversed that ticket,and come out against the banksters, Palin would be president now, and would probably have done better than the current marionette.
Mann, you are absolutely correct. As Max Weber mentions, one of the chief strength of any bureaucracy, and the banksters are bureaucrats on steroids, is that nobody else can step in and take over as they lack the expertise and knowledge of the rules and operating procedures. Paul Craig Roberts has discussed this same problem very well of late.
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Winstonsmith2009
Posts: 1061
Incept: 2009-08-05
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Killben
Posts: 208
Incept: 2009-12-07
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KD,
Why don't you take the message ahead? Get going Karl we are with you!!
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Debtpie
Posts: 534
Incept: 2009-12-17
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Don't forget what Mac said about his bailout vote... Quote:"(as a Senator) I voted for the bailout bill, but had I been the President, I would have vetoed it". I kid you not...even my 90 year-old solid Red voting Granny did a WTF on that one...
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A Leader, or an Opportunist? "A leader has the capacity of vision, the ability to see where things are headed before people in general see those things." Mitt Romney --- DebtPie's definition: a leader decides where "things" should head and "leads" us there.
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Sunkeye
Posts: 195
Incept: 2010-12-14
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no offense karl but as an outsider back then - 2006-10 i tuned out the world and especially politics -
there is no way mccain was gonna beat obama
even a rip van winkle like me could tell an obamamania had taken hold
in the summer/fall 08
there was just a vibe (sorry lame word but appropriate i think here) in the air
in 08 mccain was losercity same as dole in 96
the dem candidate was 'cool' and the repub just 'unhip'
and a large percentage of society wants anything but but to be identified as uncool god forbid
mccain's shot was in 2000 but when you come off as even more unimpressive
in a debate that george dubya bush - as mccain managed to do - i guess that
says it all about john mccain
having said that the man earned eternal respect for his p-o-w behavior
that he threw it away is very unfortunate
still his valor in viet nam will always factor into my opinion of the man
so mccain the politician = puke
mccain the navy aviator/prisoner of war = total admiration
just my dos centavos
peace
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2693
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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McCain deserves as much ink as Krugman - zero
I am surprises this idiot even remains a player.
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Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money!
Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Rdaniels
Posts: 444
Incept: 2007-11-30
Purgatory
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There was no one more relieved that McCain lost in 2008 than McCain himself. He just wanted his life back. I think some politicians think they should want the job, but when they get into the campaign they realize they don't. I put Bob Dole, McCain and Romney into this camp. I look for Romney to throw the election at some point.
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I wouldn't be so pessimistic if it wasn't so hopeless.
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Pay_lay_ale
Posts: 268
Incept: 2010-09-16
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"he would have won in the largest popular vote landslide in history."
Umm, really? Larger than Reagan in 84? I don't see the hordes of starry-eyed Obamunist cult members in 2008 switching their votes because of that.
Would McCain have won had he promised to imprison the banksters? Maybe. It's debatable, but I don't think so. It's hard to envision a scenario in which the incumbent party would win a presidential election in the middle of a financial/economic crisis like 2008.
The bottom line is that the incumbent party always wins if the economy is doing well and loses if it isn't. 2000 might have been an exception, but the economy was sputtering prior to the dot coms blowing sky high in 2001. IIRC, it was 03/2000 that the stock market peaked with the broader economy peaking about 3-6 months later.
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Phxkevin
Posts: 353
Incept: 2010-06-25
Phoenix Arizona
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I voted against McCain, specifically because he picked Palin.
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Congress persons are all the same, republican or democrat, conservative or liberal. They talk a good game, but the results (or lack thereof) show something different.
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Rdaniels
Posts: 444
Incept: 2007-11-30
Purgatory
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Quote:I voted against McCain, specifically because he picked Palin Me too. Being in his 70s and with several bouts of melanoma, McCain needed to pick a running mate with succession in mind. He failed miserably.
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I wouldn't be so pessimistic if it wasn't so hopeless.
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Rjsasko
Posts: 67
Incept: 2009-03-23
aurora, IL
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This thread is fascinating to me. A couple of people have posted that they voted for Obama because of Palin. Palin?!
Biden.
B-i-d-e-n.
BIDEN!
Are you kidding? For decades Biden's fellow Democrats wouldn't even trust him with a key to the men's room let alone a committee chairmanship. Compared to Biden Palin has the intellect of Einstein, the humility of Lincoln, the integrity of Washington, the star-power of Elvis, and the resume of Bush the Elder.
I'll put Palin up against Biden in any way, shape, or form and she'll wipe the floor with Dip$hit Joe the Bumbler.
PLEASE!
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Preidt2
Posts: 552
Incept: 2009-07-31
spokane/wash
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the office of presisucky is bought isn,t it macain','bushy' senior,no america left for Americans
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Puppets Under Destruction
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Mike2007
Posts: 26
Incept: 2011-02-27
Oakland, CA
Banned
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I disagree.
McCain was already heavily losing ground in early September, that's why he pulled a Palin, i.e. put all his money on a number at the Roulette table. That completely backfired, but *even* with a win there McCain would've needed all the luck in the world to narrowly beat Obama.
Looking across the populace, or just across the voting populace, TARP played no role in the elections, especially as voting NO on TARP was not a complete answer - one needed to lay out exactly what to do, even if that would've been "nothing, and save the money for rebuilding after the collapse of the financial system." (Which I'd be OK with.)
But with hindsight, I believe it wouldn't have mattered at all. Gramm instead of Summers?
And for this election, does it help Ron Paul that he -even believably- claims something which we informed citizens find of importance??
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