The Tide Is Turning (Sunday 5/20 Edition)
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Posted 2012-05-20 12:29
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Well well what do we have here?  (From Chris Whalen and IRA)

To rescue Europe, to reinvigorate the United States, and to set the global economy on a sustainable path toward expansion, the current debate offers a so-called "choice": either slash government spending or spend your way to growth.

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But framing the discussion between austerity and stimulus is a canard that has enveloped economists, commentators, and policymakers in a collective delusion.

I'd argue it's an intentional diversion, intentional in both diversion and mathematical bankruptcy, but those are the finer points of intent.  The fact is that there's no path "forward" that can be found in this movement but you have 30 years of political investment in it, and thus it is difficult to get anyone to talk about the facts of debt-driven economic cycles in honest terms.

This is found in the so-called "Presidential" campaign, where we have three contenders, none of which will take this issue on.  Not even the "Libertarian" Gary Johnson will tackle it.

Some ask why.  It's not very difficult to figure out, really: All are highly invested in the frauds of the last 30 years, because without them none of their so-called "successes" would have worked.  Obama, ironically, is the least invested in them simply because he has the least in actual "things" he's accomplished in that his actual tenure of "acts" only encompasses the last three years!

The key question facing the global community is how to manage the transition to a less robust, but also less volatile period of growth without sliding into another world war. A true solution will have to involve not only governments reducing public debt, but also restructuring insolvent industries to fuel real, sustainable growth.

Well, yes and no.  No exponential growth curve can last forever.  We live on a finite rock here; it is of finite size and has finite resource.  As such we can either accept this or we can overextend ourselves and ultimately collapse.  One of those two outcomes is inevitable.  Choosing overextension and collapse is idiotic.

Indeed, to give Merkel her due, the key obstacle to global growth today is excessive government spending and public debt. But the United States, and, in fact, the majority of G-20 nations, have ruled out broad debt reduction and financial restructuring of insolvent banking systems.

True, but one must ask "why"?  And here the obvious reason comes to the fore -- nearly all of the so-called "wealthy", with a handful of exceptions, are not really wealthy -- they own someone else's obligation rather than the fruits of production by their own hand, and should restructuring come their "wealth" will all go "poof!"

This is a war by means other than hunks of lead hurled around at 3200fps, but it is no less of a war.  It is in fact full of the exact sort of attack that comes with any war -- Bernanke yanking liquidity in 2008 while telling everyone he was providing it, Paulson threatening "tanks in the streets" before a huddled room full of Congressmen along with intentionally-fraudulent claims made about "recovery", retail sales and employment.  As in all wars propaganda is a major part of the conflict, sometimes even more important than the actual shooting, as was true in Vietnam with the Tet Offensive and our media's so-called "coverage" that decimated American support for a conflict that we had just, in objective terms, effectively won!

Some would call that act by our media organs treason, incidentally, and not entirely without cause.

But as "managed stability," fueled by U.S. monetary emissions, is now falling by the wayside, G-20 leaders need to develop a new means of attacking joblessness and deflation. To start, we must build a new narrative free of neo-Keynesian fantasies about consumer purchasing power trumping true wealth creation.

You were doing good right up until this paragraph.  I'll forgive you later; the sin is the word "deflation."  There is nothing wrong and in fact plenty right with "deflation" that simply corrects past inflation.  That is, when one blows a huge credit bubble over the space of 30 years ceasing to pump it further and further is not "deflation"; it is recognition of an unsustainable dynamic and allowing it to contract back to natural and sustainable levels.

Let's take education as one example.  Why should it cost more than $10,000, all-in, for a Bachelor's Degree in essentially any field?  The argument is not about whether you can extract more, it is whether one can provide this at a profit given that as a price-point.  The answer is yes, as it happens in other nations all the time, with India being one example (actually, for less than half that.) 

The point is that one can flip burgers or pizzas to pay $2,500/year for a college degree.  If the goal is to have a highly-educated population why should we not encourage the same decrease in cost that we all enjoy in televisions, computers and cellphones to take root in education?

More to the point why hasn't it happened all on its own? 

That's simple: Anti-competitive actions, ensconced into both actual and effective law, that make it impossible.

For example you cannot sit for many exams in fields that require them without an accredited degree first, and the boards will not accredit a school that does not force the teaching models and physical facilities (along with costs) they "like."  You thus get to pay for a huge athletic department, ivory tower idiocy, gold-plated dorms with food that looks like something from PF Changs' every night and graft like no tomorrow all to protect a scheme.  This sort of anti-competitive behavior is supposed to be illegal (see the Sherman and Clayton acts) but of course there are "exemptions" to protect the "quality" of the resultant fields. 

Really?  Or is the truth that they're simply protecting the inflated price?

Inflation is an assumed but unspoken part of the pro-stimulus agenda. But these same liberals refuse to accept that the marginal increase in GDP per a given amount of new public debt is now just about zero.

Yep.  I pointed this out on the Ticker years ago.  Nobody wants to hear it, but it's true.  The numbers just are what they are and what's worse is that the marginal increase for a given amount of debt, public and private, has been consistently negative for 30 years.

That is, from 1980 forward we never managed to post up more GDP increase than debt.

It is and has been a scam.

Welcome to reality; the red pill is a bitch, isn't it?

But the biggest threat to Obama is the fact that the US economy is worse off today -- more debt, lower home prices, fewer jobs -- than in 2008. In November all incumbents will face tough challenges. And come 2013, a new, even angrier Congress is hardly going to be in a mood for compromise regardless of who occupies the White House.

When a political leader talks effectively about ways to pursue less volatile economic growth in a framework of limits on public spending and debt, such an individual will find a large and eager audience. The supposed debate between austerity and stimulus is false in economic terms, politically duplicitous, and, when one considers basic arithmetic, unsustainable. More debt and inflation is not a solution. The first politician to stand up and say just that in an intelligible way gets to set the course for the G-20 industrial nations over the next century.

Oh Gary!  Oh Gary! 

Calling Gary Johnson, the latest edition of "clue-by-four" just smacked you upside the head!

Mittens won't do the right thing because essentially all of his money was made by exploiting the frauds and scams of unbridled credit expansion; should he take this position it becomes obvious that his entire story line is a gigantic scam.  Obama won't do it despite claiming he would in 2008 as he got invested in the bull**** with Geithner and the rest of them and is effectively trapped.

Anyone who's followed the Ticker knows damn well that I've been pounding this drum since I started writing The Ticker in 2007.  Indeed I tried to lead John McCain and his campaign to the truth in 2008, and failed.

As for Gary Johnson I began my quest there in 2010 on Blogtalk, and then again before the Florida Libertarian Convention debate in his suite at the Embassy Suites hotel.

He refused then and he refuses now, but this much is clear -- Institutional Risk Analytics and Chris Whalen are right, I've been right, and the people are tired of the same old crap as it is clear that it's not working. 

What they're not yet clear on is that it isn't working because it can't on a mathematical basis and that, in turn, means the people have been serially defrauded by the politicians and "business wonks" for the last 30 years.

The people will figure it out.  The people can be slow, but don't mistake inertia and 30 years of conditioning driven by lies and frauds for stupidity.  Indeed as the people figure it out their reaction worldwide is increasingly one of anger, and with damn good cause.

The politician who gets in front of this issue and leads with it wins.

It was that simple in 2008 and was the message that I attempted to carry then, and it's still that simple today. 

Get in front of this or get run over.

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Facebook - might help turn the tide. All those computer glitches were more likely a lack of retail demand for the stock. The flippers are going to eat their cooking again like 2008. I suspect there is not enough retail money (non-leveraged money) to support facebook at $100B in value at 100x earning. Remember this valuation is based on whats been hyped. The most favored highly leveraged hedge funds might regret the opportunity to own facebook. Deal of a lifetime...

Systemic risk from an IPO, the tide went out.
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To me it seems both the political and financial worlds are dominated by biased/false logic. Self serving premise, that's how governments get so big. We are so far down this road. The deceptions just keep getting bigger. So they loose sight of the rolls they should be filling. Its this lack of integrity we need to address. It starts with recognizing the false premise and tossing everything built on it.

Thanks Karl for calling them all on it. We all have so much to do.
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No exponential growth curve can last forever. We live on a finite rock here; it is of finite size and has finite resource. As such we can either accept this or we can overextend ourselves and ultimately collapse. One of those two outcomes is inevitable. Choosing overextension and collapse is idiotic.


I'm reading a book now, The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joe Tainter.

He has a youtube lecture 1 hr long - if you do not want to read the book.

Very interesting and enlighting.

It's not looking good.

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I just had a long chat with my father (on social security for 20 years), about the advancing date of the SS trust fund exhaustion. The exhaustion date went from 2033 to 2031 this year. He says he is entitled to it because he paid in all his life.

The projections by the SS administration for future trust fund levels are very optimistic. If the current economic levels continue, the SS trust fund will be exhausted circa 2018. I dont think we will make it that far.

The point is, we will have to hit rock bottom before the entitlement mentality is shaken: I paid into it, therefore I'm entitled to it.

What will it take for the sheeple to realize the money has already been spent?

Reason: fixed typo: report says 2031
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When the checks stop coming. And it will happen. And should.

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Obama and Boehner took this puppy past the point of no return.
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Lexington KY is in dire financial straits, because the wrong choices have been imposed on it by the state.

Yet look what the voters are doing!! Not voting in the primary, where the power of the candidate selection far outweights that of the November election.

http://www.kentucky.com/2012/05/15/21890....

Lexington's financial future bleak because of police, fire retirement fund, councilman says

By Beverly Fortune — bfortune@herald-leader.com

Posted: 8:57pm on May 15, 2012; Modified: 12:26pm on May 16, 2012

Urban County Council member Doug Martin sees dire financial consequences ahead for Lexington because of skyrocketing costs for the city's police and firefighter pension fund.

Add to that a high rate of police and firefighters who retire on disability, with lifetime medical benefits, and Martin said there will be no way for the city to avoid having to impose higher taxes on citizens and reduce services to pay the bills.

"That's a given," he said. In addition, Martin said, "We need immediate changes to stave off bankruptcy in the next five to 10 years."
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If payments had been made, the retirement fund would have $80 million to $100 million more than it has today, Martin said. Asked why the city did not meet its obligations, he said, "You'll have to ask former mayors and council members."

Lexington is the only Kentucky city with its own city-funded police and fire retirement fund. All other police and fire departments are enrolled in the state-controlled County Employees Retirement System, in which benefits are not as generous.

Complicating the issue, Lexington's retirement fund is not controlled by the city but by the state legislature, which basically sets the rules on eligibility and payout. The situation came about when the charter for the merged city-county government was written in the early 1970s.

"The very powerful police and fire unions go to Frankfort almost every year to increase their retirement benefits," Martin said, adding, "They have more influence than the citizens do."
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Among the reasons Martin gave for escalating costs:

 The minimum age when a retiree may start drawing a pension went from 50 to 46 in 1994 and was eliminated entirely in 2002.

 Police and firefighters may retire with 20 years of service, or they may work 16 years and buy four years of "ghost time." A public safety officer as young as about 37 may retire and draw a lifetime pension.

By contrast, Martin said, employees in the County Employees Retirement System must have 25 years of service to retire with full benefits, but they may retire earlier with reduced benefits.

 Cost-of-living increases for retired police and fire are mandated at 2 percent to 5 percent a year. In the County Employees Retirement System, cost-of-living increases are usually 1.5 percent, but even that was eliminated by the legislature for the next budget year.


Whats going on the elections:

http://www.kentucky.com/2012/05/17/21915....

Few Kentuckians are likely to bother going to the polls Tuesday

By Jack Brammer — jbrammer@herald-leader.com

Posted: 4:31pm on May 17, 2012; Modified: 1:35pm on May 18, 2012

FRANKFORT — Voter turnout in Tuesday's primary elections is expected to be 10 percent to 12 percent, Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes said Thursday.

Grimes said turnout should be a little higher in the 4th Congressional District in Northern Kentucky, where there are contested primaries for Republicans and Democrats to fill the seat of retiring U.S. Rep. Geoff Davis.

Grimes, at a news conference in the Capitol, said her predictions were based on turnout in previous elections with presidential primaries.
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might want to look into that, there are just IOUs in that 'fund'

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My wife is a State Employee, she will not read the Ticker. It is too depressing.
She is seventeen years into her career and thinks that there will be a retirement for her when she gets to thirty years..
GA has reduced benefits over the last couple of decades. It used to be 90% of salary after 30.
She missed the cutoff to be grandfathered into that plan by about a year. Her benefit is 60% of salary at retirement.
A few years ago all new State Employees went on a 401k plan without a defined benefit.
GA has made some big changes but I don't see it being enough.
My parents are in the same dreamland that MarvinMartians are in.

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The point is, we will have to hit rock bottom before the entitlement mentality is shaken: I paid into it, therefore I'm entitled to it.

What will it take for the sheeple to realize the money has already been spent?


it hasn't been a 'savings' plan since 1939 when congress realized what a cash cow it could be. They changed it to a 'pay as you go' and spent the excess.
Now it's about to become a cash hemorrhage.

So what i paid into i thought of as analogous to a contract for an annuity.
i paid for the folks receiving it then with expectation next generation would do the same for me.
Well things have worked out to where they can't, for whatever reason.
So the contract terms will have to be adjusted, if you will.

I'm one of the lucky ones with a modest IRA.
When SS disappears i'll be able to tighten my belt and be okay, unless that Ghilarducci chick convinces the democrats to confiscate those ..
Which isn't inconceivable - last time they made everybody turn in their gold.
This time could it be savings account balances?

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In current practice, austerity and stimulus are opposite sides of the same coin. One side demands currency stability while enforcing a system of wealth extraction from everyone else at gunpoint. The other side demands inflationary largesse that flows into their bank accounts while enforcing a system that makes everyone else pay for it through ever-increasing taxes and fees at gunpoint.

What we’re witnessing is the endgame: a fight between power brokers who are taking sides based on how they’ve previously positioned their loot, based largely on expectations of their individual ability to sway policy and regulation in their favor.

The reason we are not hearing the “everyone makes a sacrifice” argument is because third-generation wealth holders do not (generally) believe in the moral efficacy of risk and loss. They believe in entitlement, as they must. If they were not entitled to their inherited wealth and privilege (remember that most wealth is attained via entering society with a rarified set of privileges and exclusive access), then they would have to figure out a way to earn esteem in other ways. Our culture provides few ways to do this. Absent their positions, titles, family names, etc., they have no idea who they are and what they may be capable of. How could they? Our system of celebrity worship measures a person’s value in dollars. So, the only way for a privileged child to “prove” their worth is to figure out ways to amass more wealth on top of already-stupendous wealth.

These are the people who are driving the arguments behind austerity vs. stimulus right now. Taking any other position is equal to abject failure in their world. And anyone among their ranks who has successfully rejected the privilege-to-the-privileged paradigm does not walk the halls of power. They are not in the discussion.
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...Martin said there will be no way for the city to avoid having to impose higher taxes on citizens and reduce services to pay the bills.


It's almost like the goobermint is TRYING to force an entire generation or two to go completely mobile.

Maybe the Travellers have the right idea...

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If it's true that "assault weapons" are "weapons of war" and don't belong on the streets of America, why do the police need them? Who are the police at war with?
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Marvinmartian wrote..
I just had a long chat with my father (on social security for 20 years), about the advancing date of the SS trust fund exhaustion. The exhaustion date went from 2033 to 2031 this year. He says he is entitled to it because he paid in all his life.
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The point is, we will have to hit rock bottom before the entitlement mentality is shaken: I paid into it, therefore I'm entitled to it.

What will it take for the sheeple to realize the money has already been spent?
I paid in to it all my life (I'm just over 50), and I know I'm not entitled to a damn thing, because it's not my money - If anything, I'll get whatever dollar-denominated FRN payments electronic credits currently offered, and those 'dollars' may or may not buy anything beyond the proverbial loaf of bread. If the government doesn't default and collapse before I start collecting.

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This is the beauty of the long con that is Social Security. All those people who think that it's their money, they've earned it, and they have a right to it -- and that they will receive it when its due. They haven't read Flemming V. Nestor.
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Ephram Nestor challenged this Section after he was denied Social Security payments as a deported member of the Communist Party. He argued that a contract existed between himself and the United States government, since he had paid into the system for 19 years.
Nestor, an alien, became eligible for Social Security payments in 1955. In July 1956 he was deported for having been a member of the Communist Party from 1933 to 1939. Section 202(n) of the Social Security Act provided for the termination of Social Security payments when an alien is deported for being a member of the Communist Party.

The Court ruled that no such contract exists, and that there is no contractual right to receive Social Security payments. Payments due under Social Security are not “property” rights and are not protected by the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment. The interest of a beneficiary of Social Security is protected only by the Due Process Clause.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemming_v....


Paying in to Social Security does not create a contract. It's just another income tax, to be used for whatever purpose their little hearts' desire. And that's what's happened to all the money. It's gone. Spent on booze and *****s, metaphorically speaking.

Well, when push comes to shove, the protections of the Due Process Clause will be discarded like a bad bridesmaid's dress.

smiley

I don't bother discussing Social Security with people these days. Not worth the trouble. Believe what you want to believe. Ignorance is bliss.

The Clue Bat is coming, and it's gonna leave a big mark.

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The Due Process clause simply means you're entitled to have it taken by due process (e.g. a passed law.)

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That is, from 1980 forward we never managed to post up more GDP increase than debt.

It is and has been a scam.

Welcome to reality; the red pill is a bitch, isn't it?


The people getting paid via the scams don't believe it's a scam.


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Did you hear the one about the American who was visiting Greece?

"I wish these foreigners would speak english"

There must be a lot of people who are ready to listen.

Isn't about time to spread the Market-Ticker messages in Greek ... Spanish etc.

Isn't about time to listen to what they are saying?
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The people getting paid via the scams don't believe it's a scam.


Better yet they don't want to believe it's a scam.

Many know already it is a scam, it's no secret that SS program has gone under many mathematical "inconveniences" since its inception.

But they want to BELIEVE it's not. They want to BELIEVE they don't have to work until their 80. They want to BELIEVE they'll be taken care of, and they want to BELIEVE the fact they saved ZEROretirement funds is not going to make their final years a miserable slow decline into death.

Quite simply 99% above the age of 55 cannot believe otherwise. They will vote to reinforce that as much as possible, younger generations be DAMNED! They'll get theirs, and when they die & debt finally shreds the nation it'll be someone else's problem.
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I do not think anyone can be in front of this.

The change needed to stop this, kills your chance to get elected.
America is not ready to be saved.
The cure is worse than the sickness, to them.

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Rick Perry (the presidential candidate) said truthfully: "Social Security is a Ponzi Scam".

It did't fire up his campaign.

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Tickerguy wrote..
If the goal is to have a highly-educated population why should we not encourage the same decrease in cost that we all enjoy in televisions, computers and cellphones to take root in education?
Amen. And if the goal is a highly-productive economy, why not the same goal for the banking, insurance and real estate? And if the goal is a healthy populace, why not the same goal in healthcare? And if the goal is to take care of the poor and needy, why not the same goal in the provision of welfare?

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Stanford offers the lectures from their iPhone programming course through iTunes videos.

Its free.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/stanford-....

iPhone programming is hot right now.
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It Just Ain't So
Jewish World Review
March 7, 2012/ 13 Adar, 5772
by Walter Williams

The U.S. Census Bureau reports that 2011 manufacturing output grew by 11 percent, to nearly $5 trillion. Were our manufacturing sector considered a nation with its own gross domestic product, it would be the world's fourth-richest economy. Manufacturing productivity has doubled since 1987, and manufacturing output has risen by one-half. However, over the past two decades, manufacturing employment has fallen about 25 percent. For some people, that means our manufacturing sector is sick. By that criterion, our agriculture sector shares that "sickness," only worse and for a longer duration.

In 1790, 90 percent of Americans did agricultural work. Agriculture is now in "shambles" because only 2 percent of Americans have farm jobs. In 1970, the telecommunications industry employed 421,000 well-paid switchboard operators. Today "disaster" has hit the telecommunications industry, because there are fewer than 20,000 operators. That's a 95 percent job loss. The spectacular advances that have raised productivity in the telecommunications industry have made it possible for fewer operators to handle tens of billions of calls at a tiny fraction of the 1970 cost.

For the most part, rising worker productivity and advances in technology are the primary causes of reduced employment and higher output in the manufacturing, agriculture and telecommunications industries. My question is whether Congress should outlaw these productivity gains in the name of job creation. It would be easy. Just get rid of those John Deere harvesting machines that do in a day what used to take a thousand men a week, outlaw the robots and automation that eliminated many manufacturing jobs and bring back manually operated PBX telephone switchboards. By the way, if technological advances had not eliminated millions of jobs, where in the world would we have gotten the workers to produce all those goods and services that we now enjoy that weren't even thought of decades ago? The bottom line is that the health of an industry is measured by its output, not by the number of people it employs.

When Americans buy more goods from Canadians, Chinese and Mexicans than they buy from us, it's a problem. Or is it? Let's explore whether buying more from a person than he buys from you is a problem, and let me give a personal example. I buy more from my grocer than he buys from me. In turn, he buys more from his wholesaler than the wholesaler buys from him. But sticking to my grocer and me, let's see whether there's a problem — what some people might call a trade deficit.

When I spend $100 at the grocery, my capital account (money) goes down by $100, but my goods account (groceries) increases by $100. My grocer's goods account decreases by $100, while his capital account increases by $100. There's a trade balance, whether my grocer is down the street, in another state or in another country.

Say Japan's Sony Corp. sells me a $1,000 television. My capital account goes down by $1,000, but my goods account rises by $1,000. Suppose Sony doesn't buy any wheat, corn, cotton or cars from Americans. People are tempted to say that there's a trade deficit. Not true. Instead of using that $1,000 to buy goods from us, Sony might purchase stocks and U.S. Treasury bonds from us — in other words, invest in America. When Sony sells me a television, the corporation's goods account (called "current account" in international trade) goes down by $1,000, but its capital account (stocks and bonds) rises by $1,000. Lo and behold, again a balance of trade.

By the way, it would be great if foreigners didn't buy anything from us and just gave us cars, computers, televisions, clothing and other goods in exchange for slips of paper with pictures of past presidents such as George Washington, Andrew Jackson and Ulysses Grant. We could live the life of Riley. The world would bestow all manner of goods and services upon us, and all we'd have to do is have a few Americans employed printing dollars that foreigners would hold precious and keep.

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nearly all of the so-called "wealthy", with a handful of exceptions, are not really wealthy -- they own someone else's obligation rather than the fruits of production by their own hand, and should restructuring come their "wealth" will all go "poof!"


Yes, a LOT of wealth will go POOF! and it will take a lot more "wealth" with it on the way down. Think about how that "wealth" is being used at the current time. How much of that "wealth" is currently deployed as "collateral" for loans? When the "paper wealth" starts to go, leverage will explode as the denominator will be imploding. If it ever gets going the whole thing will collapse like the house of cards that it is.

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Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
"You can't build a house of cards on a shaking table." - Tony Johns
The January 2015 AMZN put at $130 (cost $4.25) will be a winner.
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The assertion that Bernanke yanked liquidity has never been challenged, to my knowledge. Has it? It is amazing to me how this one key nexus point of the whole financial crisis simply doesnt get discussed. Not even challenged. It's a hell of an accusation eh? You'd think someone would challenge it if it is wrong. At least toss out names like "kook" or "conspiracy theorist". Nope. Just ignored. Not even Alex Jones has talked about the yanking of liquidity, not directly afaik. Not framed in those words anyway.

Dont you find that odd? I wonder how many times this sort of thing has to happen before a pattern becomes obvious.
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