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Jstanley01
Posts: 8171
Incept: 2008-07-30
San Antonio, Texas
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You can't cheat an honest man. ~P.T. Barnum
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Zarathustra
Posts: 5937
Incept: 2009-04-29
Funkytown
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What we need to move the markets UP is a new "homebuilder survey." Anyone remember when that is released?
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"And in knowing that you know nothing, that makes you the smartest of all." - Socrates
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Joyce
Posts: 97
Incept: 2012-01-08
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Genesis
Posts: 130663
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Several, but it's not QUITE what it appears.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Jal
Posts: 512
Incept: 2009-03-25
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Quote:One Dollar of Capital simply says that you cannot issue unbacked loans. Period. I would think that this would require a weening period before implementing. .... don't spend more that your income.
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Joyce
Posts: 97
Incept: 2012-01-08
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I'm going to have to search for them. But that's a shame if the article is misleading; hate when I get my hopes up.
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Musicandnature
Posts: 1947
Incept: 2007-12-05
NJ
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Well it would be great if this gets traction. We can hope, it has to. You reminded me of another Roger Waters classic observation on society- "amused to death"- which the ptb will seek to keep as the the status quo with profuse non-relevant news headlines. < http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla....
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Since it costs a lot to win, and even more to lose, You and me bound to spend some time wonder'n what to choose. Goes to show, you don't ever know, watch each card you play and play it slow...Wait until that deal come round, don't you let that deal go down, no no. Garcia/Hunter.
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Zarathustra
Posts: 5937
Incept: 2009-04-29
Funkytown
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Market to green in 3, 2, 1....
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"And in knowing that you know nothing, that makes you the smartest of all." - Socrates
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Verredesoleil
Posts: 66
Incept: 2009-12-06
San Francisco
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Karl, let me first give the disclaimer that I read your columns just about every morning and I own a copy of your book. Now the criticism: on the next printing please, oh please, have your publisher turn off the full justification and/or correct the uneven spacing between words. It is a God awful distraction and IMHO ruins the book. Does not mean I am correct just my design input.
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Eaglewwit
Posts: 6054
Incept: 2007-11-30
SoCal
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The entire "Rube Goldberg" financial system needs to be dismantled. It is entirely too complicated for the very simple utility function that it is supposed to do. The complexity of it has simply been used as a smokescreen for looting on a scale never seen before in the history of mankind.
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Steelhead23
Posts: 2037
Incept: 2008-09-09
Portland OR
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Eliott Spitzer was on This Week yesterday and said a series of gems about JPM and bank regulation in general. Before being cutoff by Maitlin and Stephanopoulos, he managed to blurt this out. Quote:SPITZER: All I need to say is in all the years I was there trying to bring these cases, every time I went before the House Financial Services Committee, they wanted to pre-empt me so we could not bring an enforcement action. It was kowtow. When bankers said jump, they said how high? It was the most outrageous-- He said some other things most here would agree with. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-tran....We are suffering the ill effects of the corruption of our government, not just our financial services industry. If money is the functional equivalent of free speech, democracy is doomed. It takes money to be elected and being elected and re-elected is the prime directive of all politicians. When we see our government doing things that are clearly not in the public interest, you can bet that money, and promises of money are behind it. As long as money is free speech, our government will be corrupted by it, you and I will lose, and those with fat wallets will win. Even more important that reinstating Glass-Steagall, we must overturn Citizens United and do our damnedest to get big money out of politics. I agree with ending unsecured lending but am not as convinced as Gen is that it would solve the political corruption problem.
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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" —Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild Benjamin Bernanke For-profit commercial banks are a menace and should be eradicated
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Genesis
Posts: 130663
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Quote:Even more important that reinstating Glass-Steagall, we must overturn Citizens United and do our damnedest to get big money out of politics. Horse****. The President and members of Congress lie every single day using their free bully pulpit. You wish to restrict the sales of amplifiers and speakers so only those who are elected can have them.That's despotism, it's fraud and it's unconstitutional. Go run that crap on Daily Kos.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Pika-steph
Posts: 54694
Incept: 2007-09-11
Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
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Besides the fact that Citizens United WAS NOT ABOUT CORPORATE PERSONHOOD! 
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Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli
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Turningtide4536
Posts: 33
Incept: 2011-12-16
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I'm a young guy (26), and I was trying to explain this "one dollar of capital" proposal to my grandfather (73). He told me that he didn't think economic growth was possible without easy-access credit money (in excess of real assets to "back it up").
While I respect my grandfather's opinion, I think he's wrong on this point. I guess he thinks it's "okay" to emit more money than should actually exist in order to "grease the wheels" of the economy, or keep things running smoothly for everyone. Maybe he or I am misunderstanding each other. He's a democrat, so that might be part of the problem.
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Genesis
Posts: 130663
Incept: 2007-06-26
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It is.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Rjazz117
Posts: 17780
Incept: 2007-09-11
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His greasing of the wheels taxes everybody, as it devalues the rest of the money in the system the instant the greasing begins. It is basically theft...of the value lost by everybody else due to inflation of the money supply.
Since The Fed has been "in charge" of the money supply for some time now, and their stated policy is at least some degree of inflation, they are in fact, by stated policy, stealing from everybody that holds/uses USD.
At this point, the only group of people for which the economy is "running smoothly" is the bankers of The Fed and their cronies.
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“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
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Optimus2861
Posts: 54
Incept: 2009-12-16
Dartmouth NS Canada
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Quote:(Spitzer) said some other things most here would agree with That's a howler. Your quote is probably the lone thing that Spitzer said that this crowd would agree with. Try this one on: Quote:SPITZER: Could we talk, instead of polls and focus groups, reality, what works in the economy? We have done the largest macroeconomic experiment in history. Europe tried austerity, which is Mitt Romney's. They're going to depression, recession, it has failed.
What we tried here under Barack Obama is Keynesian economics, restructure the economy, invest where you need to, it worked for 70 years, it will work in the next 100 years. That is what the public should focus on. He even gets into full foaming-mouth Democrat mode: Quote: SPITZER: They want to go back to medieval medicine, the blood-letting, leeches. They want to go back to the very crazy economics that brought us over --
MATALIN: What are you talking about, Eliot?
SPITZER: -- the cliff and created a cataclysm.
Spitzer may see the banks correctly, but that's about all. The rest of the time, he's as hard-core a Democrat socialist as they come. The man's from New York, after all. Genuine conservatives are damn near an extinct species there.
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Wineaux
Posts: 533
Incept: 2009-03-23
pure Liquid pleasure
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I am on the fence with support for the idea of ‘one dollar of capital’ because additional regulation doesn’t seem to be an effective way to control entities that have explicit guarantees from government.
I would prefer to see three things changed immediately:
1) Overturn Gramm-Leach-Biley 2) Re-instate Glass Stegall 3) Remove FDIC insurance
We need a movement where the average person does due diligence with the banking institution of his/her choice. The current system is set up where this doesn’t make a damn difference because of the safety nets created by government. You wouldn't hire any shmuck off the street to fix your roof and the same should hold true with banking.
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Genesis
Posts: 130663
Incept: 2007-06-26
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If you allow the counterfeiting then the so-called "diligence" is impossible because those frauds will be concealed and used to strip depositors of every nickel they have.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Peterm99
Posts: 4981
Incept: 2009-03-21
SoCal
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Wineaux -
"Due diligence" is fine in concept but is not realistically feasible for most people unless it is accompanied by full and complete disclosure of everything related to the banks' finances. Given the current state of corporate governance, etc., I suggest that having FDIC insurance in limited amounts, e.g., 100k as it used to be, is a good idea. It makes banking the equivalent of a public utility for those who need only the checking/savings function of banks.
True "due diligence" would require the elimination of all financial shenanigans, e.g., mark to fantasy, off-balance-sheet stuff, etc., and also complete transparency into the details of all of a bank's holdings, investments, deposits, loans outstanding, operations and governance details, etc., etc. - the currently available financial info needed for realistic due diligence is not available to most people, and certainly not in anything even approaching a real-time basis.
Unless the transparency becomes real and continuous, elimination of FDIC-type insurance is harmful, IMO.
ETA: Thanks, Gen. - short, sweet, and to the point. As usual, I take too long in composing and typing my replies.
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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwell’s imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed
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Marvinmartian
Posts: 746
Incept: 2011-03-16
Pasadena, CA
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Wineaux wrote.. 1) Overturn Gramm-Leach-Biley 2) Re-instate Glass Stegall 3) Remove FDIC insurance
The problem is that bank managers get their bonuses based on taking risk. This is completely against the interests of bondholders, which buy bank's bonds on the idea of "less risk". Large banks look more and more like hedge funds making one way bets, not deposit taking institutions. Example: JPM and its alleged "hedging losses".
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Nomennescio
Posts: 63
Incept: 2012-01-16
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Steelhead, Money is in politics because of the power and influence it buys. You want to get the big money out of politics? Limit the power of the government!
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Wineaux
Posts: 533
Incept: 2009-03-23
pure Liquid pleasure
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Pterm said... Quote: unless it is accompanied by full and complete disclosure of everything related to the banks' finances. We should be demanding this but can’t get their under the current system because of FDIC insurance. This single change would act as wake-up call for people who conduct business with the TBTF. Depositors would be responsible for their decisions (which don’t matter today) and be able to hold bankers accountable to provide full disclosure of finances prior to committing any money. Pterm said.... Quote: It makes banking the equivalent of a public utility for those who need only the checking/savings function of banks. Yes, it should be a public utility for the far majority. If you remove the FDIC insurance in theory there would be demand for banking institutions which ONLY conduct checking / savings functions as people would seek a “safe” place to park their dollars. This is not bad, it’s good. Marvinm said... Quote: The problem is that bank managers get their bonuses based on taking risk. **** them. The bubble has to pop and their standard of living has to revert to mean. Gen said... Quote:If you allow the counterfeiting then the so-called "diligence" is impossible because those frauds will be concealed and used to strip depositors of every nickel they have. Wouldn’t the reinstatement of Glass-Stegall significantly curtail the amount of counterfeiting? If FDIC is removed and we get to a point and have a series of banks which are “public utility”, we starve the beast. This is accomplished because who would want the risk of doing business with those institutions which pose a systemic risk. What would JPM, Citi, or BOA look like if 70% of their depositors jumped ship?
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What wine goes with unemployment?
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Peterm99
Posts: 4981
Incept: 2009-03-21
SoCal
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Wineaux wrote..We should be demanding this (full and complete disclosure of everything related to the banks' finances) but can’t get their under the current system because of FDIC insurance. Cart/horse. Getting them in the wrong order could be devastating to the wealth of most people - even more devastating than currently.
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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwell’s imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed
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