Social Security -- We're Still Lying To Ourselves
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Posted 2012-04-24 08:40
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Social Security -- We're Still Lying To Ourselves
 

I wish there was something approaching an honest reporter left in this country among the mainsleaze media.  But there's not.

Updated 4:05pm ET The trustees of the Social Security system said Monday the fund that helps sustain retiree and survivors’ benefits will become exhausted in 2033, three years sooner than they projected last year.

At that point, payroll taxes and taxation of Social Security benefits will provide only enough income to pay about 75 percent of the benefits that Congress has promised to retirees and survivors.

In practical terms, this means that a 40-year-old worker who is eligible to collect retirement benefits in 2039, would see his or her expected retirement benefit cut by about 25 percent, unless Congress took action to change the program’s funding or its benefit structure.

So far so good.  But it's the assumptions that are the problem:

The trustees said that to keep the Social Security trust funds solvent over the next 75 years, Congress could take a number of steps:

  • increase the payroll tax rate from its current level of 12.4 percent to 15.01 percent;

Huh? 

The Payroll Tax is not 12.4%; that's a lie.

Millions of workers will see their take-home pay rise during 2011 because the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 provides a two percentage point payroll tax cut for employees, reducing their Social Security tax withholding rate from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent of wages paid. This reduced Social Security withholding will have no effect on the employee’s future Social Security benefits.

So the tax is actually 10.4%.  And note carefully that the Trustees said that a roughly 2.5% increase would balance Social Security.  But we've done exactly the opposite by almost exactly the same amount.

So who's going to be honest and call for (1) an immediate full stop to that payroll tax cut and (2) an increase in the payroll tax to 15%?

Nobody.

In point of fact there's another option for Social Security that would make even more sense -- index to longevity.  That would, along with a less than 1% increase (to 13%; the "cut" that's allegedly temporary must go away right here and now in any event) put the system back into balance.

In short Social Security is pretty easy to fix.  It's unpopular to talk about what has to happen to fix it, but it's fixable and at a reasonably-small cost to the average employee in terms of tax impact.

Separately, the trustees, who are also the trustees of the Medicare program, reported that the Medicare fund that pays hospital costs for older and disabled Americans will be exhausted by 2024, the same forecast as they made last year.

After the assets of the Medicare fund are gone, if Congress were to take no action, projected Medicare revenue would be adequate to cover 87 percent of the estimated spending in 2024 and about two-thirds of projected costs in 2050.

Nonsense.  These figures are nowhere near accurate as they do not include the 9.2% rate of increase that is currently being suffered.

The BEA says that compensation of employees is $8.4 trillion (last quarter of 2011, which is the latest available at present.)  That's $244 billion a year in Medicare tax (2.9%, both employer and employee parts.)

But the Federal Government spent $820 billion last year on health costs, approximately $550 billion of it in Medicare and Medicaid.  While the program claims to have taken in $530 billion there's obvious game-playing going on here as the total employee compensation as of the last quarter of 2011 is annualized to $8.4 trillion and Medicare tax is 2.9% of this, or $244 billion.

On a basic cash-flow analysis and given the $244 billion of actual bonds in the system for Medicare there is about one year of benefits available on a cash-flow basis, including tax receipts and "bonds in the drawer" for Medicare.

To be succinct Medicare is functionally bankrupt right here and now!

Medicare and Medicaid cannot be fixed at all as the problem is not found in those programs -- it is found in the underlying medical system in our nation.

Simply put we have to shut down the cost-shifting, including that represented by:

  • EMTALA, which resulted in the destruction of charity care in general; the Catholic Church "cheered" this as it's roughly six hundred hospitals were largely relieved of being fully-charity-funded (that is, from your donations in the plate on Sunday) and managed to shift a huge part of that funding to you, the taxpayer, via explicit health "insurance" and private payer support!  This of course the Church does want to talk about; a "gun up the nose" isn't charitable at all, yet this is much of what so-called "charity hospitals" do today.  The Church needs to be called out on this loud and long; they're liars and frauds and have done their level damndest to pretend to provide charity care while offloading it on the general public.  This sort of intentional deception is a Satanic abuse of the alleged moral high ground the Church claims for itself.

  • Outrageous development cost shifting from the rest of the world to the United States; price controls in other nations effectively prohibit the cost of development of new drugs and devices from being borne by health systems in other countries.  Canada and the UK are two of the worst offenders but hardly the only ones; other nations frequently threaten to break patents wholesale unless they get favored pricing.  The medical industry then got passed laws prohibiting reimportation, codifying a "wall" in federal law with felony penalties for breaches that allows this rip-off of the American consumer to continue. As a consequence Americans often pay 10x or even more what a Canadian pays for the same drug or device; we effectively cover all development costs for the entire planet.  This must end -- now.

  • Specific legal exemptions from anti-trust law and shielding from consumer-hostile practices such as permitting and even encouraging disparate billing for procedures, drugs and devices depending on how one pays; a discriminatory act that when taken for the purpose of reducing competition is flatly illegal in other fields, blatant limiting of competition for various technological practices (e.g. licensing restrictions prohibiting the free opening of new MRI centers to drive down costs) and other acts that in any other field would land the parties involved in the graybar motel for felony criminal violations of anti-trust and restraint-of-trade law.

All of this combines to cause the cost of medical care in the United States to be a literal double that which is charged and obtained in other nations.  We simply cannot afford to continue on this path as the growth rate (9.2% compounded for the last 30 years) will result in the bankruptcy of the federal government and destruction of our economy within the next two decades.

The game-playing within the system cannot be maintained; eventually cash flow always wins.  You can move things around and pretend for a while but doctors, hospitals and others in the supply chain don't take empty promises, they want checks.  Eventually you are forced to admit that the money doesn't exist and you're shuffling the deck and playing with the cash flow from one place or another so as to avoid telling the truth about what's really going on in the budget and these funds.

This problem has to be solved, and solved now.  Neither political party will talk honestly about this, but we must as Americans demand both the truth and real resolution, as the path we are on will resolve in a disorderly collapse of our medical system and shortly thereafter our economy and government.

We cannot afford to continue to play the game that both the Republican and Democrat parties are running in this regard, nor are the so-called "third party" claims (e.g. Gary Johnson) honest assessments either.

The medical system in this country is terminally broken and if it is not corrected now we will all discover that there is simply no money and thus what people claim they have been promised will be shown to be a sham and collapse -- and this outcome will be apparent much sooner than people think.

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Social security will not fail. The government will face an inability to fund itself first and the entire ponzi will fall all at once.

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Dragging Social Security into the $15 trillion budget battle is a red herring. Social Security has been subsidizing the General Fund since 1935. Budget adjustments are designed to ease the cash flow requirements of IOUs owed from the General Fund in order to fund additional tax cuts for the wealthy. The working class has loaned their surplus taxes paid into SS to the government and the government should not treat them as 2nd class creditors or short change their benefit programs due to employment trends which will reverse over time. It is time to cash out Social Security and the other government pension funds and separate them from the General Fund under a new governing authority. The $4 trillion in IOUs owed the funds could provide the reserves for a public banking system. From this point there are many creative ways to reform the system to enhance cash flows into the funds as opposed to remaining a source of liquidity for tax cuts for the wealthy. If the Federal Reserve is going to loan trillions of dollars using toxic crap as collateral, then the IOUs owed the nation's trust funds should be a welcome addition to their balance sheet.
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Liar. SS has paid for exactly what the working class voted for.

Time to eat their dog food.

I'm not paying more for them. And I'm not willing to pay it through inflation either.
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The cost of medical care/insurance is becoming more and more of a scam.

I pay around $5k for a family of 4 for my insurance through my company. My company claims to pay an additional $18k on my behalf. That's $23k per year for medical expenses, not to mention the deductible and co-pays that I still pay out of pocket. So let's say maybe $26k per year for two healthy adults in their early 30s and two small children under 5? That's insane.

If we paid for everything out of pocket we'd be paying far less. This includes a knee injury my wife went to see the orthopedist for - he billed the insurance $1000 for "surgery" when all he did was poke her knee, send her to get an MRI and put on an immobilizer (which we also paid for out of pocket). The insurance company paid him $300 for that "surgery", when you can be sure if we were paying out of pocket he'd be threatened with a lawsuit over billing us for services that he didn't render.

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To add insult to injury

when you hit 65 and the age where you might actually use your insurance yu are forced over to Medicare. That's wgite collar welfare for the insurance industry.

Then just to crush you beneath their heel you gotta buy "protection" from their hospital billing departments in form of 'medicare supplement insurance' coverage for what medicare doesn't pay.

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Seems clear to me we gotta get the insurance/finance industry out of the medical business. Theyre just ragweeds.

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Quote:
...We're Still Lying To Ourselves

To add context...
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More than half of all workers (56 percent) expect that they or their spouse will receive a retirement income from a traditional defined benefit pension plan. However, just one-third of workers report that they or their spouse currently have such a benefit with a current or previous employer.

I had to read that paragraph 3 times because I thought I was slow and read it wrong. Alas, it turns out that the American citizen is the slow one.
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Jbreedlove, if the insurance you buy were something like whole life insurance, where you pay more when young and unlikely to use it to keep the rates down when you are more likely to use it, then the price you pay might seem more reasonable. However, your company has likely learned that also and is using your excess payments not to reserve for YOUR old age (50 something nowadays) but for the few 50 somethings they have not yet managed to offload. I would bet that your company insurance will not be there for you and your wife when YOU get there. You would be far better of with some high deductible policy and a medical savings account where you accumulated the excess while you are young for yourselves. Companies know that too, which is why that option wasn't widely implemented when it was available.

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There's no money for ANY of the entitlements RIGHT NOW!

What's this "we must reform" stuff?

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Solonsays wrote..
The working class has loaned their surplus taxes paid into SS to the government and the government should not treat them as 2nd class creditors or short change their benefit programs due to employment trends which will reverse over time.


Really ? What are you smoking. SS is just a tax. period. It is not my fault that you and others chose to believe in the Big Lie when a 20 min research expedition could have exposed the whole thing to you as a Big Lie.

Solonsays wrote..
It is time to cash out Social Security and the other government pension funds and separate them from the General Fund under a new governing authority. The $4 trillion in IOUs owed the funds could provide the reserves for a public banking system.

Cash out?

This is what you have to cash out

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Who is going to pay trillions of dollars for it ? Go ahead you and the rest of the willing koolaid drinkers - go first

And new governing authority ? Just what does that mean ? You do realize that anything set up by law via congress can be repealed the exact same way. Just like the law that authorizes tax breaks for 401k, mtg deduction, and the SS payouts.

Here is some - hopefully - helpful advice. Stop deluding yourself.


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Number one, health care is a bubble. If they slowed the bubble, it would collapse. It is the one thing government can use to present us with a growth rate of GDP. Repeat:Number one, health care is a bubble

Second, the tax cut for payroll taxes was a trick. Get this! There is no social security fund, there is no medicare fund. It has all been spent and can only exist through further borrowings or taxation of the populace. The bastards took out 2 years of surplus, compounded, so it would stand to reason the lifetime of the fund would decline.

So, we go from 12.4% (really 10.4%) to 15.01%. What are they going to do with this money? They are going to spend it and it will be gone just like every other red cent the government has ever received in what they call the Social Security Trust Fund (who the hell would trust these jackasses).

I was wondering what the hell the Democrats and Obama, those who are always crying about the non-existant Social Security Trust fund, were doing cutting 2% of the taxes levied to produce the fund. 2.6% of $8.4 trillion and counting is $218.4 billion, if my thinking math is correct. That is $218 billion more they have to flush down the toilet and not admit they spent.

There is absolutely no reason to have a social security trust fund, save for increasing Congressional capacity to spend. The money is not there and in reality can never be there, as long as it is a debt fund. The actuarial argument that everyone need to pay their fair share makes no sense, in that smaller generations following larger generations have no more capacity to liquidate the debt than to merely pay the benefits. Nothing has been saved, it has all been spent. The solution is pay as you go.

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Yep.

Now try to tell the Seniors that!

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Genesis wrote..
Now try to tell the Seniors that!
Maybe they would be better off with some more practical, actionable advice.

For example I seem to recall that when the Soviet welfare state collapsed some seniors were able to get by selling pencils on the street corners. At least it's better than panhandling.
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"The $4 trillion in IOUs owed the funds could provide the reserves for a public banking system. "

Nope.

Those IOU's are worthless.

You would need real money to set up that banking system, meaning either print it or issue bonds from Treasury and increase the on-balance-sheet debt levels by $4T.

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Number one, health care is a bubble

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Now try to tell the Seniors that!


as a senior i feel sorta corralled here.
It wasn't us who caused the bubble.
Further when you hit 65 Medicare takes over your insurance, which is the corporate welfare provided for that industry. Your insurance carrier gets relieved of you about the time you'll start generating negative cash flow for them.

If you're looking for somebody to punish go after the folks who perpetrated the hoax, insurance industry and their lapdogs in congress.
I followed the rules.

My two heart attacks and bypasses were on the private system and they still turned a profit over my forty+ working years.. Most recent one, 2005, should need a re-do around 2015 (you see the leg vein they use for the bypass lasts about ten years) , and it will be probably the last i need. I'd like to think that option will be available.

The wrongdoing here is by insurance industry, not seniors.

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Memo to lowbeyond. I don't get to cherry pick how my tax dollars are spent and neither do you. According to Federal Reserve B-100 reports there is historical wealth in this country, $56 trillion of household net worth. So how is it possible to have a budget crisis when net worth in this country is growing a twice the rate of the deficit. America never embraced social programs until the bankers and their agents ruined the economy in 1929 by gambling on speculative investments as the Fed artificially manipulated the value of the dollar to stimulate world trade, just as they are doing today. The scars of the devastating hardships imposed on working class families trying to make an honest wage paved the way for America’s first social justice program, Social Security. This is the exact same situation we find ourselves today as America has come full circle again, brought to the edge of the abyss again by the bankers, deregulation, the Federal Reserve manipulating the currency for the sake of trade, all sponsored by a corrupt political class. That is what you need to bitch about and that is why it is important to separate Social Security from the General Fund.

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God only knows what your point was.

You seem to want another government entity to save you from another government entity. That new entity will be created by the other entity that you wish to be saved from. Err ok good luck with that.

You also still refuse to grock that there is no pile of money there to sequester. You get close in the beginning when you acknowledge that you have no say in how taxes are spent then you go off the rails talking about some social justice program.

Uh huh. SS is nothing more then a wealth transfer scheme from the young to the old, aka Welfare for the old. That is it.

You can call it social justice if it make you feel better, and in my experience that is pretty close the the truth as "social justice" is simply code for : Hey you over there give ME your property else I will have people in magic clothes kill you.

I'll make it simple again. You got taxed. You chose to voluntarily belive the Big Lie. The money is gone

Sooo sorry. Sucks to be you.

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Sorry Low, but we've gotten used to it since 1929. You can't change it anytime soon.
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According to Federal Reserve B-100 reports there is historical wealth in this country, $56 trillion of household net worth. So how is it possible to have a budget crisis when net worth in this country is growing a twice the rate of the deficit.


Solon Says, you clearly are challenged as to facts and money.

I get it. You and Analog [We Want What We Want!!!].

You don't care about anyone, anything or anyXXX, else.

@Analog:

You want it. There is no money. Too bad.

Just because you are 65 and I am 52, you don't get to stomp your feet and whinge and screw everyone else younger than you because you are selfish and indifferent to everyone else and older.

Both of you are part of a selfish mindset that is destroying the finances of the nation and your selfishness and indifference to crushing those younger than you under perpetual debt, is completely inexcusable.

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I followed the rules.


Well, too bad. You were lied to. I was lied to.

You want what we cannot afford.

I will not get what you get, I don't want it, because we cannot afford it.

Yep, if I die because it's too expensive, I die.

You are making the case that Boomers (65 in 2012 is 1947, a Baby Boomer) are the most selfish, destructive generation.

Shame on you for wanting to crush all those younger with perpetual debt.

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Don't worry about the payroll tax cut. Congress is making up for it out of the General Fund. (I can't even type that without laughing out loud). What they're doing is issuing yet more IOUs to the trust funds to make up for the lost revenue.

What this does is essentially acrue twice the debt. Once for real money bonds in the debt held by the public column to make up for the lost revenue in real time, and then as more IOUs in the intragov column, which will have to be made up by more borrowing from the public in the future.
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Whether workable or not, all of it is as blatantly and outrageously unconstitutional as ObamaCare.

I hope all of it all gets sucked into the same gaping maw into which The Fate That Befalls Us All is throwing this country's craven "seniors," even as they grasp at necks of their own children and grandchildren to pull them in with them, like as if that will change the inevitable for their sorry-assed lives.

IT WILL NOT, IT CANNOT, DUMBASSES! So, "Go eat a big ****ing dick and die in a fire, Grand-leach****-Pa."

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Both of you are part of a selfish mindset that is destroying the finances of the nation and your selfishness and indifference to crushing those younger than you under perpetual debt, is completely inexcusable.


Well, Ben, those just a few years behind me really aren't sounding very much different.

i repeat , ""...go after the folks who perpetrated the hoax, insurance industry and their lapdogs in congress. ""

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"Well, Ben, those just a few years behind me really aren't sounding very much different."

That's ME. I am 52. I am NOT of your ilk.

Going after who created this won't matter. They don't have the money that you feel entitled to.

You want money that isn't there, and I won't go into debt servitude, nor let you put my nieces and nephews in penury, to get what you want.

No.

Do you get it, yet?

You are not going to get what you want.

I refuse.

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