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Gable
Posts: 413
Incept: 2009-07-04
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I know the realities are against them, but for folks like me out in the boonies with no cable service (and will never get for lack of customer density) they provide a much needed service.
Hopefully they or someone like them can redo their business model to be profitable for folks like us.
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Latviski
Posts: 89
Incept: 2008-02-22
Baltimore, MD
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As much as I believe you're right (NFLX has entered a downward spiral), Comcast (at least in my area) is a nightmare. Customer service is atrocious, they're overpriced, and they operate with a monopoly-like business model. None of this is surprising, however, as Comcast essentially has a monopoly of my service area. After they drown Netflix, they'll hike their own rates even further.
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Genesis
Posts: 130779
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Oh Comcast sucks, but that's not the problem -- the problem is that Netflix's ability to force other companies to eat their network costs has evaporated.
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Plymster
Posts: 912
Incept: 2007-09-19
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I can watch 8 hours/day every day of the month of Netflix at "Best Quality" (as long as it's not HD, then I only get 3.5 hours/day) before I hit Comcast's 250 GB cap.
If I'm watching that much TV, I think my need for a new couch and bigger waistband would hit me before my need for a bigger bandwidth cap.
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Krzelune
Posts: 5513
Incept: 2007-10-08
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Comcast will lower their limit.
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Novid
Posts: 92
Incept: 2010-06-25
Philadelphia
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Game the **** OVER for Netflix. Even a little scrub like me saw the writing on the wall. They are done.
Still waiting for the rest of the entertainment business to stop using the bundles and stick to the one disk model (blu-ray) period. Netflix is a joke, crunchyroll is the greatest joke in the history of entertaiment and im wating for Hulu to get short changed which they will.
How many times do people have to get it through there damn heads why we STILL have disk media and that will never go away REGARDLESS how fast the connection is?
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2662
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
Online
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I note that you can watch movies from Amazon so I don't see why Amazon could not put together a package at some future point and crush Netflix anyway.
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Atmartin
Posts: 93
Incept: 2011-12-24
PNW
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They can't drop that cap too much more. It was amusing last year when Comcast sent me an email telling me they thought my computer had been hacked for sucking down about 60GB of data in a couple of weeks. That was just due several days with high use of netflix streaming, I installed Steam for a game and a couple of other large game downloads/patch updates. When one video game download via Steam is 10+ GB, 250GB isn't that high.
I do enjoy their reading their pleas to swap to email only eco-billing while they try to entice me to buy the latest xfinity service with 2-3 letters/ads in the snail mail each month. I'll stick with my $12 per month for basic tv since they want to charge you $10 extra if you're not a tv and internet customer.
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Jmanng
Posts: 537
Incept: 2009-01-03
Boston, Massachusetts, USA
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Doesn't Amazon's Prime movie streaming service have the same fundemental problem as netflix? They are also freeloading off the cable companies infrastructur
Reason: clarification
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Hescominsoon
Posts: 66
Incept: 2010-01-04
Banned
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nopers. This is not the end of netflix. Look at comraps so claled offering. you ahve to be subbed to a bundle and then pay extra for this "service". I'm going the other way. I'm dumping comcast residential everything and going business class inet only. going from capped 250 gig 200/month to unca00ed business for $65/month. 90% of our tv is netflix anyway..so we jsut bought a new tv that has netflix built in. bye Bye comcast tv between netflix, rooku, xmbc and amazon video we have everything we got form comcast residential.
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Rbarreira
Posts: 2826
Incept: 2009-05-27
Portugal -> Sweden
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Doesn't Netflix use Akamai and/or other similar content distribution networks?
Companies like Akamai put in servers inside big ISPs networks in order to minimize the data transferred between ISPs. Instead the movies can be streamed from inside Comcast (or whoever's network), just as Comcast is doing.
If you look at how much data hard-drives can store in a small area, it should be piece of cake for Netflix to provide thousands of movies locally inside ISPs. If this is not possible it must be because ISPs like Comcast want to prevent Netflix from doing it...
In short, Netflix's problems should be a nothingburger, unless Netflix is completely stupid or someone is actively preventing Netflix from making its service work efficiently... The latter seems much more likely, especially when Comcast is trying to compete with Netflix on movie streaming.
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Novid
Posts: 92
Incept: 2010-06-25
Philadelphia
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@Rbarreira
@Hescominsoon
It doesnt matter if they use Akamai. Or any sort of distribution server. It only matters who ownes the copper/fiber line at the end of the line. It doesnt matter if they want to put it on locally made ISP's - who control the line at the final point of sale. Nobody is preventing Netflix from making money. They were making money hand over fist before they went into the streaming business (so was Amazon) but they have the bright idea to undercut a distribution model that wasnt broken in the first place. We had a economic problem that exasrabated the issue.
When they wake up, and do only Blu-Ray releaces, no combos, no digital bs call me. Until then all this streaming nonsense is just that - nonsense. If they want to to make a deal with the cable companies/ISP's which they almost did some weeks ago they are free to do so, but Netflix never took it. They can make all the deals with Hollywood they wish. Hell even redbox gets it but there pricing is wonky.
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Inkt2002
Posts: 99
Incept: 2009-07-15
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Bsfootprint
Posts: 965
Incept: 2011-02-27
Online
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I often wondered if that net neutrality ploy was intended to protect Netflix.
Netflix' CEO is politically 'active' and I wonder if Netflix or Hastings and his network of college pals made any interesting campaign donations...
I live and work in a semi-rural area; a neighbor's broadband connection would go down the crapper every Friday afternoon through the entire weekend, as the kids came home from school and people came home from work and fired up the video downloads. The local network segment was totally overloaded. (This was a direct line-of-site wireless system, not cable or DSL.) The network provider has worked hard to improve things, and it's much better, but still spotty.
Karl's absolutely correct: Netflix (and other) live video streaming providers who don't own the last mile distribution are pushing their product costs off on someone else, and that game of musical chairs was bound to end at some point. It appears that it's happening now.
Care to bet on legal action by Netflix to force ISPs out of competition, claiming 'unfair advantage' and monopoly/anti-competitive behavior?
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Ckaminski
Posts: 1583
Incept: 2011-04-08
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Arguably, they're pushing it off to consumers. If Comcast wasn't also a TV provider with all this bundling nonsense, they'd make people pay for the extra bandwidth they consume to use Netflix.
What next, you'll be arguing Amazon should pay Comcast for all the traffic Comcast customers consume? I don't believe net neutrality is a ploy. *I* should not be charged more for content YOUR customers want.
Though I agree with Karl, due to Comcast's ability to bundle, Netflix has some serious hurdles to overcome in the years ahead.
If Netflix were to peer with Comcast, and Comcast continued to subject them to the bandwidth cap, I would argue that they might have a case, if Comcast continued to sell their own service with no cap.
I'm proud to say I would feel no sadness if the ISPs got out of the TV business.
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Genesis
Posts: 130779
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Netflix cannot "peer" as peering is a statement of intent (that must then be realized) of reasonably-equal data flows in both directions and thus something approaching equivalent values for both parties.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Johnny_crab
Posts: 1938
Incept: 2008-10-09
Boonieland south Texas
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Netflix > DTV for us in Boonieland. When NFLX goes, there will be a marketable hole for something.
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