Gen - People on public assistance have 3x the number of kids than people who aren't? Do you mean cash welfare benefits?

This page says that in 2006, the average family size of TANF families was 2.3, which included 1.8 children. http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/data.....

Census said that the average family size overall in 2006 was 3.2. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004925.h....

I thought that in some states childless adults weren't eligible for benefits. In which case necessarily people on public assistance would have more kids; if they didn't have kids, they couldn't be on assistance.

I imagine that women get pregnant, have no health insurance, and then apply for public assistance in order to have their delivery covered, and in order to get various benefits for the next few years. But then do they keep on having kids? The "3x" stat makes it look like women go on public assistance and then keep on having kids while on it. Maybe they still do, but it was my impression that that was a thing of the past, given the time limits of welfare and that women have better things to do these days than reproduce like crazy.

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Your choice is a cost of $10,000 or $200 to you. Which one do you pick?

Where you are falling down here is this illusion of a "choice". You dont have the ability to "choose" who steals what. There is no "choice" between stealing $200 or $10,000, and there shouldnt be a distinction. If someone wants to steal from me an i offer $200 you can bet they will come back for the rest of that $10,000. It may just be death by a thousand cuts instead. Is a thief ever satisfied with stealing just a little? Or do they steal whatever they can get away with?

That's the slippery slope that we are on now. In the beginning it was only a little bit of theft, so it was OK. Well tens of trillions have been stolen as a result, and people have lost the ability to distinguish between theft or otherwise.

Thats the inevitable result of a little bit of theft.

Kareninca - From my reading, also, there are families where only the children get TANF benefits.

Flick wrote..

People on public assistance have 3x the number of kids than people who aren't? Do you mean cash welfare benefits?

This page says that in 2006, the average family size of TANF families was 2.3, which included 1.8 children. http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/data....

Census said that the average family size overall in 2006 was 3.2 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004925.h....

According to the Census, the birth rate of those receiving public assistance is 3 times higher than that of those who don't receive public assistance. Posted here:
http://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs....

2dogs - That is not surprising, but I'm not sure how meaningful it is. An unplanned pregnancy and being out of work would be many women's reason to get welfare. Another one is divorce (with children) and being out of work. There are few single people on cash assistance. So we've selected for reproducing age/capability right there.

I would expect, at 3x, that the families of people on welfare would be much larger than families that are not. They don't seem to be.

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So we've selected for reproducing age/capability right there.

No. The comparison groups are the same with regards to reproducing age/capability: women 15 to 50 years old.

If women of childbearing age are not financially capable of caring for a child, they should not be having one. That means abstinence or using birth control, the latter of which is provided free or at minimal cost via public funding for those on Medicaid and low-income earners.

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I would expect, at 3x, that the families of people on welfare would be much larger than families that are not.

Then you don't understand demographic statistics. The Census publication states it quite clearly...

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2008: For the nation... the birth rate for women 15 to 50 years old receiving public assistance income in the last 12 months was 155 births per 1,000 women, about three times the rate for women not receiving public assistance (53 births per 1,000 women).

2010: For the nation, the birth rate for women receiving public assistance was 160 births per 1,000 women, almost three times the rate for women not receiving public assistance (56 births per 1,000 women).

"However, there is a third reason to try to impregnate someone else (or to get pregnant,for that matter): irrational desire. "

Irrational desire not related to love/attachment is exactly what % of pregnancies in the United states? Do you really think that is even .01% of the pregnancies. I've never heard anyone of either sex say "I'm going to screw just to have a kid until I get one" Give me a break. Face it, the vast majority of "gotcha" pregnancies are for financial reasons (which benefit the woman the majority of the time). You can choose not to believe it for person reasons, but it is true.

Looks like 90% of child support payments awarded are to women, which is actually less than I thought it would be. When you look at # getting payment its 4.9M women vs .4M men or about 12.25:1 women to men receiving child support
http://www.census.gov/apsd/www/statbrief....

But believe whatever you want...

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If women of childbearing age are not financially capable of caring for a child, they should not be having one. That means abstinence or using birth control, the latter of which is provided free or at minimal cost via public funding for those on Medicaid and low-income earners.

We have a disconnect here, as its obvious that people who are not financially capable of caring for a child are having them.

So we should pay for birth control because its cheaper than paying for public assistance? Should we pay for abortions from the public purse? Should we just say tough s*** and let them starve? Should we declare them a bad parent (s) and put the kids in an orphanage run by a charity?


The simple solution is to cut government spending in all areas. Its not going to happen in an orderly manner. Us city folks are so screwed...

Be advised. Stay away from inflammatory language and stick to the facts.

Rush didn't get in trouble for speaking the truth. He got in trouble for using vague, derogatory terms.

Phxkevin wrote..

We have a disconnect here, as its obvious that people who are not financially capable of caring for a child are having them.

...The simple solution is to cut government spending in all areas.

Ding ding ding... we have a winner!

People who are not financially capable of caring for a child are having them... because the government is PAYING them to do so.

That HAS to stop. Period.

Gloria Allred seeks Rush Limbaugh prosecution
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By MJ LEE | 3/9/12 6:30 PM EST

Rush Limbaugh has drawn the ire of celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred, who sent a letter to the Palm Beach County state attorney requesting an investigation into whether the popular radio host should be prosecuted for calling a law student a “slut” and “prostitute” last week.

“Mr. Limbaugh targeted his attack on a young law student who was simply exercised her free speech and her right to testify before congress on a very important issue to millions of American women and he vilified her. He defamed her and engaged in unwarranted, tasteless and exceptionally damaging attacks on her,” Allred told POLITICO Friday afternoon. “He needs to face the consequences of his conduct in every way that is meaningful.”

In a letter dated March 8, Allred, writing on behalf of the Women’s Equal Rights Legal Defense and Education Fund, requested that Palm Beach County State Attorney Michael McAuliffe probe whether the conservative radio personality had violated Section 836.04 of the Florida Statutes by calling Georgetown University law student Sandra Fluke the two derogatory words.

The statute stipulates that anyone who “speaks of and concerning any woman, married or unmarried, falsely and maliciously imputing to her a want of chastity” is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree. Allred explained that the statute recently came to her attention as having never been repealed, and that it could very well apply to Limbaugh’s remarks as his show is broadcast from West Palm Beach.

It is now entirely up to the prosecutor to exercise his discretion on whether there will be a prosecution. McAuliffe did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Allred, whose most recent high-profile clients have included Sharon Bialek, who accused Herman Cain of sexual harassment, and porn star Ginger Lee, who exchanged explicit emails with former Rep. Anthony Weiner, said Friday that she has not yet been in touch with Fluke.

“I don’t reach out to women, they reach out to me,” she said. “If she did reach out to me, obviously I would respond.”

Limbaugh’s contentious remarks, made against Fluke for testifying on Capitol Hill about women’s access to contraception, resulted in widespread public outrage and dozens of advertisers pulling their commercials from his three-hour program.

(See also: Cartoonists skewer Rush Limbaugh)

“I understand why sponsors are abandoning Mr. Limbaugh in droves,” Allred said. “I think sponsors that remain with him are supporting him and providing commercial dollars to him and his program, condoning what he said.”

She added, “Hitting him economically is one price that he has to pay. He needs to be accountable in every way possible.”



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/031....

Although Limbaugh is often on the correct side of many issues, he has always struck me as an unprincipled and often vacuous blowhard.

However, Gloria Allred makes even Limbaugh appear to be a paragon of reason and integrity by comparison.

Stop reimbursement for wheelchairs, its a life style choice !

no, seriously. LOL.

If birth control costs $250/mo, how much to sterilize the little tramp? If we have to shell out that kind of dough so her boyfriend can have a ride, can we do everyone a favor and ensure her she does not contribute to the gene pool? If mendacity has a gene...

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Every boy learns where they are in the store and goes through the embarrassing motions of buying his first package, usually somewhere around his 16th birthday (whether he actually uses them "as intended" or just buys them to have them -- "just in case.") Any man who claims he doesn't or didn't is either (1) too broke to **** in the first place, (2) unworthy of placing anything in a woman's vagina, or (most likely) both.

Point of order...

Some people value self-restraint, which goes to the core of the sexually transmitted pathology we are all trying to alleviate once it presents itself.

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Finally, when it comes to colleges, every college I've ever been at has all the rubbers you want for free at the student health center, usually in "fishbowl" sort of thing. Walk in, grab a handful, walk out -- no questions asked.

Yes. I was on my U's Student Senate when this issue came to a vote. It was approved and we turned the Student Union into a truck stop. The Health Center already had condoms free-of-charge, and were available by the handful, The Ted Kennedy "Saturday Night Special 12 pack," or the Wilt Chamberlain "carry-home-case." You could load up on as many rubbers as you could possibly want. There was also some basic education that was available for the budding Don Juans of Sierra Madre Hall.

You can hardly lay down a line of sight at a modern college campus without seeing free condoms, any more than you can walk across downtown Seattle and not be able to get a $5 cup of coffee flavored coffee.

This chick is full of crap, and from the looks of her, she would have a hard time getting her ticket punched if the Sixth Fleet just docked. Yes, she exhibits too many signs of being a professional agitator.

Imagine what would happen if a male college student went on TV and said that his school bills prevent him from buying his own condoms and he wants someone else to pay for all the drilling he plans on doing this weekend. Picture the nationwide busting of a gut out of sheer, unrestrained laughter...

Change it to a woman...

Imagine being this chick's father...

Poor Sandra Fluke… She Wants You To Pay For Her $9/Month Birth Control As She Frolics in Spain & Pompeii
Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 11:03 PM

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Just when you thought you’d seen everything.
Poor Sandra Fluke, the 30 year-old far left activist who wants you to pay for her $9 a month birth control, is dating a rich socialist.

They recently traveled to Spain and Italy together.
It was a lovely getaway for the women’s rights activist and her rich socialist boyfriend.

Here the two lovebirds are roughing it late at night in Barcelona – drunk.

What a brave woman. How does she manage it all?

Brooks Bayne has much more on Sandra and her very rich boyfriend.

So does anyone else find it a bit odd that she would go before Congress and ask America to pay for her $9 a month birth control rather than asking her rich socialist boyfriend? Weird.

Oops...

Oh it gets better... much better... The marxist rabbit hole runs deep.

http://thegraph.com/2012/03/sandra-fluke....


Sandra Fluke’s Boyfriend, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, And His Radical Socialist Family

Posted on March 13, 2012 by Brooks Bayne in Articles

(Filed under: “Never mind, media, we’ll do your damned job, losers.”)

Behold! Sandra Fluke's boyfriend, Adam Mutterperl!

Recently, it was reported that Sandra Fluke is connected to none other than 1%’er, William (Bill) Mutterperl, through her boyfriend. However, it wasn’t reported who her boyfriend is. Everyone, meet Sandra’s boyfriend, wannabe producer, and amateur stand-up comic, Adam “Cutie Pants” Mutterperl, in this video audition he submitted to a “reality” show:

Cutie pants? This guy the epitome of what everyone thought Sandra Fluke’s boyfriend would be. Maybe Adam could produce a biopic titled, “Beta Males and the Progressive Chicks Who Dig Them”.

Anyway, here are some pictures of Sandra and Adam frolicking in typical ghetto places like Spain and Italy:

The caption that Adam added to one of the Barcelona pics, “Pretty drunk”. Is this the part where I’m supposed to pay for your condoms, Adam? You know, because traveling between L.A., D.C., and New York, and vacationing in Barcelona, Italy, etc., is pretty darned expensive. I get it. Did you***** off your uber-wealthy parents to get cut off from your trust fund? You and Sandra must need some government subsidies. Idea: mock hearing. Brilliant!

Awesome that Adam is so happy about Sandra making “the big time” (h/t to SooperMexican for this particular screenshot).

Bill and Nancy Mutterperl, Adam's parents. Love the color of your hat, Bill. It's reflective of your ideals.

Anyway, on to Adam’s “typical Democrat family”. The term BIll O’Reilly used to describe Bill Mutterperl is “Democratic stalwart”. However, as soon as I heard his name in a story about Sandra Fluke, I almost choked, due to my sudden epiphany. Why? Because anyone familiar with Boston and New York political history knows about the wealthy Mutterperl family’s long tradition of supporting the typical Jewish variant of socialism. Bill Mutterperl’s family are much more than Democratic stalwarts.

I’ll let Woody Allen give you the basic overview:

(Transcript of the video clip: “What’s your name… Allison… You’re like New York Jewish, left-wing, intellectual, Central Park West, Brandeis University, socialist summer camps and the father with the Ben Shahn drawings, really strike-oriented. Stop me before I make a complete imbecile of myself… No, that was wonderful! I love being reduced to a cultural stereotype.”)

Allen’s description probably describes Adam’s childhood, right down to the Ben Shahn drawings. I wonder if Adam has ever been to a kibbutz.

The Mutterperl family, via Adam’s great grandfather Sol’s handbag fortune, established the “Mutterperl Scholarship Endowment Fund” in 1951 for Brandeis University. This school, as some people call it, is named for Louis Brandeis, a secular Jew, Zionist, and United States Supreme Court Justice appointed by Woodrow Wilson. Brandeis was a self-proclaimed socialist. Herbert Marcuse, the famous Frankfurt School Marxist, came to Brandeis in 1954, three years after the Mutterperl fund was created. Brandeis University is one of the nation’s leading petri dishes for anti-American and neo-Marxist thought. Here’s the statement from the Brandeis bulletin about the Mutterperl fund:

Traditions of charity inculcated in their children by a New York couple, who recently celebrated their Golden Wedding Anniversary, are being perpetuated in their honor by the children who have established a Sol and Susanne Mutterperl Scholarship Endowment Fund at Brandeis University.

Honoring the 50th wedding anniversary of Mr. and Mrs. Sol Mutterperl, the endowment fund has been established by means of a substantial initial grant which will be augmented from time to time.

The initial grant was made by the children through the Mutterperl Foundation, Inc., which was organized in December, 1951, by Raphael Mutterperl: his brother, Martin Mutterperl, and their sister’s husband, Ludwig S. Buckhardt. for the purpose of fostering the philanthropic ideals of their parents.

President of the Foundation is Raphael Mutterperl, prominent New Bedford (Mass.) manufacturer.

Since Sol is credited with creating the women’s handbag market, and was a wealthy manufacturer and proprietor of those goods, he and his wife, Susanne, lived at 22 Central Park West in Manhattan for a time, and then at 350 Central Park West. Not too shabby, Mutterperl! Sol was also supportive of unions and was the Director of the United Jewish Appeal (now The Jewish Federations of North America) a Jewish “social” organization. From the JFNA website:

The Federation movement, collectively among the top 10 charities on the continent, protects and enhances the well-being of Jews worldwide through the values of tikkun olam (repairing the world), tzedakah (charity and social justice) and Torah (Jewish learning).

There’s that “social justice” code word again. Jewish Socialism is linked to a very progressive concept of the above tikkun olam. New Bedford, MA, where Raphael Mutterperl ran the family’s manufacturing arm, was a hotbed of Marxist trade-unionism in early 20th century America. Why? It was easy to “sell” radical trade-unionism to a whole people group who were brought up in the lap of Weimar Marxian ideology, because New Bedford had many new eastern-European Jewish immigrants living there at the time, including, of course, the Mutterperl family.

For some added historical context, two popular Marxists, Samuel Gompers and Daniel De Leon, agitated in New Bedford, and were instrumental in fomenting strikes amongst the workers of the textile mills there. As I wrote before, Gompers was the founder of what is now the largest Marxist union organization in America, the AFL-CIO.

In addition to the Mutterperl’s extensive history within the Jewish socialist activist/political world, and their generational wealth, they’re still doing what they can to help the 99%. An excerpt from Bill’s current Reed Smith LLP (one of the 15 largest law firms in the world) bio:

Bill is a partner in Reed Smith’s Financial Industry Group. He specializes in providing high level counseling to CEO’s, General Counsel, Boards of Directors and members of senior management of major financial institutions.

As the former Vice Chairman of The PNC Financial Services Group, he held management responsibilities for certain PNC staff functions, including legal, compliance, legislative affairs and media relations, and he was responsible for implementing best practices for corporate governance. He served on several senior management committees, including Mergers and Acquisitions, Corporate Re-Engineering and Consumer affairs, and also served as management liaison to a special ad hoc committee of the Board of Directors dealing with regulatory affairs and corporate governance. He also served as a PNC representative on the Board of Directors of BlackRock Investment Management, one of the largest investment management firms in the world.

Bill also had a distinguished 25-year career at FleetBoston Financial Corp. where he served as its Executive Vice President and General Counsel world-wide, responsible for all legal affairs of the company.

In addition, Bill served as Executive Director of the Independent Oversight Board for Arthur Andersen, headed by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker. The other members of the Independent Oversight Board included current and former CEO’s of major U.S. companies. Bill advised the Board on proposed best corporate governance practices to be adopted by Andresen in the wake of governmental investigations and criticisms of that firm.

In private practice, Bill was a partner in the business law division of Brown Rudnick Berlack Israels in Boston, specializing in corporate governance issues. He began his legal career at the law firm of Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP.

You’ll recall that Paul Volcker, mentioned in Bill’s bio, was Obama’s bank bailout architect, advisor, and appointee. I know! Random, right?

Bill has also made nearly $90,000 in personal donations to Dems and their allies in the past 10 years, according to OpenSecrets.org. Check out the awesome Daddy Warbucks screenshots:

Adam’s mother is Nancy Mutterperl. According to the California Secretary of State, she’s involved with a company operating in Beverly Hills, CA as Charlotte Lu, LLC. They specialize in jewelry that runs from $300, to nearly $4000. Their website has a brief bio of Nancy, listing her role as “Business Development and Display“:

Raised in West Haven, Connecticut, Nancy Mutterperl enjoyed studying art history in college, but it was her love of jewelry that led to her earning certificates from the Gemological Institute of America. While she was a stay-at-home mom, Nancy began creating her own jewelry pieces that were sold in retail stores and catalogs. Nancy’s experience with gemstones gives her the edge for selecting beautiful stones for Charlotte Lu. Nancy is married, has two sons and resides in both Manhattan and Beverly Hills.

Stay-at-home mom, indeed. You know, typical, bi-coastal, “stalwarty” kind of stuff in the Mutterperl family. I wonder if Adam lives with mom here in Beverly Hills. From the looks of Adam’s audition video above, it’s safe to assume that mom imparted some of the “art history” stuff that she enjoyed in college, unto her son.

In summary (with bold for emphatic inflection): Sandra Fluke is a 30 year old leftist activist, attending Georgetown University, whom the Dems tried to inject, via non-sequitur, into Issa’s hearing about Obamacare’s encroachment upon religious freedoms, protected by the Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment. Her boyfriend, Adam Mutterperl, is the son of one of the most well-connected leftist Jewish families on the East Coast (add the West Coast to that, apparently), with ties to neo-Marxist Brandeis University as decades old donors… and whose father, Bill Mutterperl, worked directly for Paul Volcker, one of Obama’s pals, advisors, and Keynesian “stimulus” bill architects. Yet, we’re supposed to believe that this just boils down to a poor girl needing us to “subsidize” her birth control. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!

We’re talking Sgt. Schultz levels of ignorance and avoidance if you buy that load of schmutz.

Some have claimed that Sandra’s reps (Anita Dunn’s PR firm – Anita’s the Mao lover, and former Obama Communications Director) are lying about the Mutterperl “boyfriend”. I’ve posted the Facebook photos, above, of them, that are dated, and go back a few years – but you never see them kiss in their photos. To me, it’s obvious that she’s in bed with him, literally, or figuratively. Either way, Sandra’s connection to this particular Jewish-American socialist dynasty is a “little” secret that they don’t want you to know. Which begs the question… if you’re so connected to the Mutterperl family, Sandra, why not go to Brandeis, a school much more aligned with your worldview, instead of Georgetown University, a Catholic Jesuit school? Are you admitting that a Christian school is better than a neo-Marxist school, or is there some other agenda? Now *that’s* funny when you think about it.

Based on all this random connectedness, I’d love it if Miss Fluke would sue Georgetown for “subsidized” birth control. The Georgetown lawyers would have a field day with discovery. Do it, Sandra. I dare you.

Oh, as a complete aside, check out Adam’s grandpappy, Martin Mutterperl, hanging out with Cass Sunstein’s, (another Obama appointee, Regulatory Czarina, and overall radical leftist) great-uncle, Alexander Cass Sunstein, and Samuel “Subway Sam” Rosoff, the guy who killed one of his detractors over a labor union spat, in Palm Beach back in 1965, at the Ambassador Hotel (see: photo below). Purely coincidence, I’m sure, since they’re all associated with Marxists, socialists, and trade-unionists of Eastern-European, Jewish, descent. There are some other interesting names in this list. Can you spot them?! Just kidding. Move along. Nothing to see here, hobbits.