Limbaugh Is Right Folks
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Posted 2012-03-05 16:57
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There are times that the stupid in the mainstream media has gone too far.

This is one of them.

Sandra Fluke is an activist who is enrolled at Georgetown University Law Center.  Her resume includes graduation from Cornell in 2003 and various feminist activism positions and activities since, many of them facially worthy of recognition.  (Note: Wikipedia has been asked to remove her page, so don't be surprised if the top link above dies.)

She was going to "testify" before Darryl Issa's committee on the reproductive provisions in the Health Care law, but Issa killed her testimony because he smelled a rat.

He was right.

Let's start with Sandra herself.  It is claimed she was born in 1981.  By my math that makes her 30ish.  Rather a bit older than an ordinary student at Georgetown, yes?

Second, what's the tuition at Georgetown?  For a full-time student, $23,432.  Per semester.  So we're talking about someone who can afford $47,000 a year in tuition and fees, exclusive of living expenses.

Sandra has maintained that birth control has a roughly $3,000 cost and this is an argument for "mandatory" coverage in health care policies.  Really?  Birthcontrolbuzz shows that most birth control pills (they have something like a dozen different brands listed!) run about $20/month, or $250/year.  (Planned Parenthood concurs, incidentally.)  A single IUD (good for up to five years!) sells for about $200, or $50/year.  One "Implanon" (Norplant-style stick, which is good for up to three years) and the most-effective female contraception available short of sterilization with a less than 1% failure rate is $233.20, or $77/year.

By the very math you're supposed to learn in third grade or thereabouts this means that better than 99% effective female birth control costs less than half a can of coke a day, or about 21 cents.

How much did Sandra pay for her Latte at Starbucks on the way to "testify" and what is the penalty for perjury before Congress, if I may inquire?

I might also add that none of these female birth control methods do a damn thing toward preventing disease transmission, and having your vagina rot out is far worse than getting pregnant. Some of the forms of rot could actually kill you, give you cervical cancer or otherwise do serious and permanent harm.  To attempt to prevent that you will need rubbers, and it is a time-honored practice to expect the man you sleep with to provide them.  Every boy learns where they are in the store and goes through the embarrassing motions of buying his first package, usually somewhere around his 16th birthday (whether he actually uses them "as intended" or just buys them to have them -- "just in case.")  Any man who claims he doesn't or didn't is either (1) too broke to **** in the first place, (2) unworthy of placing anything in a woman's vagina, or (most likely) both.

Note carefully in the above paragraph that it is expected of men (young and otherwise) to buy their own rubbers.  You don't see us whining about the cost of a pack of Trojans and demanding that our "health insurance" pay for them.

Finally, when it comes to colleges, every college I've ever been at has all the rubbers you want for free at the student health center, usually in "fishbowl" sort of thing.  Walk in, grab a handful, walk out -- no questions asked.

Never mind that insurance is intended to pay for unintentional circumstances that are not ordinary, expected and intentional.

The last time I checked sex was rather ordinary, expected, and when consensual not an accident at all.  In fact, it's exactly what women in general look toward as one of their sacraments.  The proclamation that a woman owns her own vagina and may use it (or not) as she wishes is one of those fundamental liberty things, and I not only have no quarrel with it, I agree with that point of view (it's that Libertarian thing about owning oneself, you see.)

But intentional costs are not insurable, any more than you can buy insurance against intentionally setting your own house on fire.  They're also not something you get to shift off onto other people via government mandates in a free society.  We're not even talking about "unfortunate and thus not-real accidents" here (e.g. someone who eats themselves up to 500lbs and winds up with perfectly-foreseeable diabetes and heart disease) -- no, this is demanding that others pay for intentional and premeditated acts in advance, along with the means to commit them. 

This is, more or less, like demanding your health insurance company supply you with cigarettes at zero cost!

Pick your female contraception from the above -- they're all in the range of $50-250/year, and the most-effective form available, the "norplant" style, is under $100/year.

$3,600?  That was a bald-faced lie that was intended to run in front of Issa.  And what's worse, Sandra appears to be a professional agitator and since she can afford nearly $50,000 a year to go to "school" (at age 30) she can sure as hell pay $100 for her own intentional and premeditated acts, exactly as every single man from 15 years old forward has been expected to do for the last 50 years.

Oh, and before I finish up, does Sandra have an iPhone with a $100/month service contract?  If so, and if her "friend" does so as well, may I inquire why that $100/month service contract is something she should pay for with her own money while her contraception is not?

Sandra may not be a slut or a prostitute, as Limbaugh appeared to claim, but she sure as hell is a mendacious *******.

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I heard that she was at Georgetown on a scholarship, do it boils down to the FSA wanting more free ****! Why am I not surprised?

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Let's say you work for a devout Hindu employer, and because of your intentional act of eating too many burgers and steaks, you have high cholesterol, so your doctor prescribes statins. Your employer objects at having his insurer pay for the statins, as he bleieves it will encourage continued cow muscle consumption.

Let's say a woman works for a devout Muslim employer, and her husband, who believes she dresses too provocatively, abuses her. She seeks counseling, but her employer objects to his insurer paying, considering the woman to be a ***** who should be stoned to death.

Folks who intentionally light up Marlboro's get ill. Folks who intentionally drink too much need treatment. Folks who intentionally run marathons need medical help from time to time. What does intentionality have to do with it?

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Socialism is here to stay people. Sorry - it's too late to turn back now. We have to go full on to the left for people to figure things out and that will take decades. THEN the pendulum can swing back the other way.

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Blurt...you listed all things that are CHOICES of those that participate in them...you decide where you work...if you smoke, if you drink. Attempting to make other's pay for your **** is theft. PERIOD.

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End mandated employer paid health insurance and the debate ends. They don't get a say in how you spend your paycheck.

Its a stupid debate anyway. The freedom was lost the day your employer was forced to pick your health insurance.

Two sides that just want a bigger gun of government only if they get hold it to point it at you.

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While I disagree with Rush's terminology, I did agree with his point. Ms. Fluke is just another member of the FSA. By her own admission, she attended Georgetown knowing the university would not cover birth control pills as part of their health insurance. She went there to change them. Even if she used the BCP's for menstrual or other female medical issues, she knew prior to applying and accepting admission they would not cover the BCP's. She is an outright fraud and Rush called her on it. But the Obamabots and the Dems don't care, they want their way and it doesn't matter how they trample or trash the US Constitution or laws.

Ms. Fluke is just like the person who moves next to an airport and then complains about the noise. Then wants to change or shut down the airport.

The main stream media and their cronies, including Stewart, Colbert and Maher, are part of the same group of crooks and liars. So all of you who support the FSA can scream, yell and party now, because the when the bills come due the free s**t will be gone.


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I figured when the costs were added, it was for dr visit PLUS all the tests they would want to run. Now, with an implant or IUD, it might be less cuz the female could skip follow up visits with the dr, but should she?

It really needs to be itemized.

Condoms should be cheapest for the ladies as the guys buy.

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The only argument for the subsidized birth control (and it isn't a really great one) is that subsidized child care is waaaaay more costly.

Oh and - maybe it is best that certain people do NOT reproduce.

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Rather a bit older than an ordinary student at Georgetown, yes?

Eh, "older" law students aren't exactly uncommon.


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Sandra has maintained that birth control has a roughly $3,000 cost

If I heard it correctly, she said that contraception could potentially cost that much over the standard 3 years of law school. While we all know that this is way outside the norm, I wouldn't rule it out of the realm of possibility for whatever odd or specialized pills or treatment regimen that might be out there.
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If she likes to ****, that's a private issue. If she wants tax-payers to support her habit, then she is indeed a 'SLUT'.
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It is not unusual to find a 31 year old starting law school. I was 33 when I started, and I was far from being the oldest in my class.
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I think every taxpayer should get an hour with her in exchange for having paid her for her pills.

Of course - I'd pass mine off to some unlucky TFer.

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Thanks but no ****ing thanks, Mayor.

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In light of the global ripoff by banksters - the single-largest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind - I'd say this doesn't matter one iota. But hey, keep talking about abortions and condoms and birth control, because none of it matters and you're all being distracted.

Not directed at anyone in particular.

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If she likes to ****, that's a private issue. If she wants tax-payers to support her habit, then she is indeed a 'SLUT'.

Many people are centering their argument based on the assumption that she was speaking about coverage for contraceptives used for birth control.

But after listening to, and looking over the transcript of her speech, I didn't notice her asking for coverage for anyone's sexual escapades but rather she spoke of women who needed contraceptives for other issues, such as PCOS.


I'm not picking sides here, but I didn't get the impression that was looking for contraception coverage for the express purpose of birth control. But hey, I could be wrong.

Either way I think all of this is just a big distraction to keep our eyes off of the economy.
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"“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.

“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

“When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.

“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.

“After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.

“I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of the night in her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room. She’d been there all night in just terrible, excruciating pain. She wrote to me, ‘It was so painful I’d woke up thinking I’ve been shot.’

“Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result."

-Excerpt from Sandra Fluke opening statement
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Bet that one ER visit was more than 3,000


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Proof. Shes already documented as lying about costs.

And her "friend" is attending a 50k school with her. She can obviously cover that.

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And her "friend" is attending a 50k school with her. She can obviously cover that.


Citations needed.

I couldn't pay for anything extra at my 40k college, I got 30K in grants/scholarships and I worked for the rest just to cover living expenses. Routinely with double-digit balances in my checking account.
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The $3,600 birth control cost must include drinks to get her prospective mate intoxicated and in the mood.

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Heh how do I get the free booze?

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I disagree with Rush's categorization. She is not wanting the public to pay her so she will have sex, therefore calling her a slut or prostitute is not appropriate.

She is wanting the public to pay her because she wants to have sex. Whether or not she is a slut or prostitute only her sexual partners can attest to.

However, whether she is accountable, or wants to be accountable, for her own actions is now no longer in question at all.

She wants to have sex, at will, when ever she desires to do so.
She does not want to have children.
She is unwilling or unable to provide for herself the contraceptive that will allow her to live this lifestyle.
She wants .GOV to give it to her.

What should be being called out her is her lack of willingness to either accept the fact that she cannot afford the lifestyle she desires to lead, or support it herself, and the fact that she believes that the public should provide her with the means to live that lifestyle.

It's not about morals or sexuallity. It's about accountability for one's own actions.

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Completely right Gen, and ENTIRELY indicative of the leechf*ck mentality that is KILLING this country.

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At least per Wikipedia, Norplant is no longer sold in the the U.S. Too many side effects. Also I remember reading that getting the little implants out was not so easy after all; they basically had to be be gouged out.

Injected progesterone contraceptives are a terrible thing, anyway. Since 1996 there's been good evidence via primate studies that they greatly increase the risk of AIDS transmission (possible due to changing the vaginal microbiota). Now they're finally admitting that yes, Depo Provero (and its progestrone injection ilk) also greatly increase the AIDS transmission risk for humans: (Published online 7 October 2011 | Nature | doi:10.1038/news.2011.582
News: Contraceptive risk of HIV long suspected: Animal research showed 15 years ago that progesterone contraceptives could increase infections: Meredith Wadman) (I tried to paste the link but that didn't work, so that's how you find it). (I can't find the article that I read years ago re the possibility that Norplant would have this same problem, but it seems it would; it is progestin.)

From what I've read, having an IUD put in is actually about $600. But it's good for ten years.

Reason: the link that I tried to post didn't work
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