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Themortgagedude
Posts: 8853
Incept: 2007-12-17
saint louis
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I somehow feel bad that my mortgage is 1.25 times my family income and both my cars are paid for. It's people like me that are the problem. I need to spend some more.
On the contrary maybe I might be the answer. By limiting my debt coverage ratio I'm able to spend more money on goods and services that drive employment. I'm certainly not saving much outside my 201k so I must be driving employment.
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I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth.
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Jal
Posts: 513
Incept: 2009-03-25
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I just got to quote the following truth over and over ... until it sinks in. Quote:Keynes called for running budget surpluses during good times and paying down the debt. This stored surplus was then used during recessions to blunt their impact. This is the premise of countercyclical economic policy at the government level in an attempt to "balance" natural economic cycles. Robert Reich doesn't get everything wrong. Quote: The Occupier movement is still in its infancy in the United States, but it cannot be stopped. Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game – an economy that won’t respond, a democracy that won’t listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards.
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Andyc
Posts: 333
Incept: 2010-10-24
Banned
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"Keynes called for running budget surpluses during good times and paying down the debt. This stored surplus was then used during recessions to blunt their impact. This is the premise of countercyclical economic policy at the government level in an attempt to "balance" natural economic cycles."
I've read many times that Keynes said this but Ive never seen a specific quote from him on it.
If they adhered to the above Keynes would make some sense
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Andyc
Posts: 333
Incept: 2010-10-24
Banned
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"I'm certainly not saving much outside my 201k so I must be driving employment."
A 201k eh?
: )
Nicely put
Hey wait a minute, shouldn't that be a 200.5 k?
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Xorbe
Posts: 161
Incept: 2009-06-23
Bay Area, CA
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> the housing bubble, back for another round of stupidity.
While at the gym yesterday, I noticed that the TV is *still* running ads for how to flip houses for $40000 profit, etc.
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Raftermanfmj
Posts: 3367
Incept: 2010-09-06
USA
Online
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Quote:Keynes called for running budget surpluses Yea from my reading comparing Austrian to Keynesian economics this is technically true - but from all I've read it wasn't a serious tenet; just a palliative to make the hokum of Keynesian 'thought' easier for the skeptical to accept. No modern Western government has ran a surplus and paid down debt to my knowledge. To .gov everywhere, money left at the end of the year simply means you are not trying hard enough to burn it.
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I have never wished to cater to the crowd; for what I know they do not approve, and what they approve I do not know. - Epicurus Oderint dum metuant - Caligula & Police State USA
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Financial
Posts: 82
Incept: 2010-12-08
Iowa
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Well said. Probably one of the best things to do would be to forgive student debt and then these people could afford to use the money to buy homes, cars etc. Then take the banks out of these future student loans and tie them into federal service payback of various types.
Do serious home loan modifications to see if people can afford to make payments if their homes are marked to market. The banks (shareholders, bondholders) need to lose on this one too.
And of course end the Fed and its role as the world's central banker. Let the government issue money directly sans the banking cartel.
Reason: spellcheck
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Genesis
Posts: 130795
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Quote:Well said. Probaby one of the best things to do would be to forgive student debt and then these people could afford to use the money to buy homes, cars etc. Then take the banks out of these future student loans and tie them into federal service payback of various types.
No. Those who took on too much debt should eat it and go bankrupt. Those who lent money they cannot collect should go bankrupt. In the future the federal government should neither backstop or lend anything. If you make a bad loan you EAT IT. That's the disincentive to make bad loans - you lose your money.`
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Financial
Posts: 82
Incept: 2010-12-08
Iowa
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Too much predatory lending... The onus should be on the lenders for the most part..
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Eaglewwit
Posts: 6054
Incept: 2007-11-30
SoCal
Banned
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Financial, so you want to reward the imprudent at the expense of the prudent. **** You, foreclose on their houses and let me the prudent buy it for cash. It used to work that you were rewarded for being prudent and making good decisions.
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Financial
Posts: 82
Incept: 2010-12-08
Iowa
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Eaglewwit, you sound like a bankster troll. That is what they are doing is reclaiming these assets at bargain prices after first doing predatory lending and then many examples of fraudulent servicing. The same thing has happened in the past to farms and is happening currently in Europe to various assets.
These led to popular uprisings like we are seeing today...
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Mrbill
Posts: 7857
Incept: 2008-10-19
North Carolina
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With what money do they reclaim these assets, if you just defaulted on an underwater loan, or a loan without collateral (like student debt)? How could the banks possibly not lose money on the deal?
The banks *already* bought the house when they made the loan. And they bought at the peak. They're going to lose the most, if people stick them with the property and no more payments.
If you're not underwater but can't make the payments, just sell the house and be done with it.
If there's fraud, put them in jail. Separate issue.
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Otiswild
Posts: 5627
Incept: 2009-03-09
Inside you, the force is!
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I want a 20% interest-rate mortgage so I can pay $40/sqft for a house that currently sells for $110/sqft.
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Blueskies
Posts: 72
Incept: 2011-05-15
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karl for POTUS.
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Financial
Posts: 82
Incept: 2010-12-08
Iowa
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Taxpayer funded bailouts help with the 're-purchases'. Fraudulent servicing helps compound fees such as with complicit insurers which helps lead to foreclosures.. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-28.... WL Ross bought American Home from its bankrupt lender parent in 2008, and later added operations and servicing contracts from H&R Block Inc., Citigroup Inc. and Taylor, Bean & Whitaker Mortgage Corp. Servicers collect payments from homeowners, negotiate loan modifications and foreclose on properties when borrowers default. In an Oct. 23, 2008, interview with Bloomberg Radio, Ross said American Home was the second-largest servicer of subprime mortgages in the U.S. and was “eager” to continue expanding. The company has servicing operations in Irvine, California, Jacksonville, Florida, and Pune, India, according to its website. In his lawsuit, the Ohio Attorney General said American Home required borrowers to sign loan modifications, forbearance agreements and security-retention agreements that contain “illegal and unfair provisions and are unconscionably one- sided” in the company’s favor. American Home also provided “incompetent, inadequate and inefficient customer service,” lost documents and failed to respond to requests by borrowers for assistance, according to the complaint. “The acts of some mortgage servicers have gone beyond the point of being negligent -- they have become predatory financial practices and in Ohio, they won’t be tolerated,” Cordray said in a statement on Nov. 5, when the lawsuit was filed. http://firedoglake.com/2011/02/05/why-ar....greengiant February 5th, 2011 at 5:29 pm 24 “Out of curiosity I searched ‘HomeSolutions’ and ‘Blue Spruce’ and found that these entities have been buying foreclosures all over the country, typically for under $10,000 each, and many of them from Fannie & Freddie. Sometimes they sell the homes onward without even registering the title in their own names. Is this a fencing operation? It would be interesting to learn what connections these entities may have to major banks.”
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Themortgagedude
Posts: 8853
Incept: 2007-12-17
saint louis
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I think u can get your FRED chart back up to 65%. Make China play fair, remove the illegals, and cut unemployment comp to 26 weeks. You'll see that chart back to an all time high.
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I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth.
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Eaglewwit
Posts: 6054
Incept: 2007-11-30
SoCal
Banned
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Financial what don't you understand about banking. I think MrBill explained it pretty well. What I am advocating for is to the banks detriment. It is what is best. The imprudent at the banks and home buyers both get hurt. That is how it should be. Read up.
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Etz
Posts: 13891
Incept: 2007-06-26
LA
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Q: Mr. WL Ross, how do you become a millionaire?
A: You start with a billion.
You'd have to look hard to find a more CORRUPT LOSER SCUMBAG!
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Legal chicanery and beneficent darkness are the banker's stoutest allies - F.Pecora.
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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Financial - "Probably one of the best things to do would be to forgive student debt and then these people could afford to use the money to buy homes, cars etc. Then take the banks out of these future student loans and tie them into federal service payback of various types."
**** that. Federal service payback my ass. **** glorifying certain jobs. Do a job because you want to. If not, go out and earn income and pay some ****ing taxes like the rest of us. I'm sick of people trying to fly under the radar with just enough income so they can get their student loan forgiveness or home buyer tax credits or financial aid for their kid(s) or subsidy of their health care.
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Bertdilbert
Posts: 2666
Incept: 2008-12-22
CA
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Karl, nice catch on the employment rate of the population, first time I recall you mentioning it on the blog. Upping the employment rate adds to wage pressures which is code for inflationary. It also shrinks the pool of available job applicants, which means you pay more for less employee as a business owner.
Long run that hurts competitiveness of American companies and hence jobs ex fake demand.
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Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money!
Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro.
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Morla
Posts: 817
Incept: 2009-11-09
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EVERY ENTITY must be allowed to fail. Every single government guarantee, backstop, and bailout has lead to serious market dislocations and imbalances. The only constraint on the lending of money is RISK, without risk loans become absolutely indiscriminate, an infinite debt fountain that blows magnificent bubbles until the system inevitably has to face the reality that the debt isn't going to be paid. The debt not getting paid is a problem for modern economists but it shouldn't be, again bankruptcy and default are our only hope for a semblance of balance or restraint in the financial system.
Right now in student lending banks are making loans without a care in the world as to whether the students will be able to pay them, why does mainstream economics act like this is a good thing? Do they even have a theory why tuition is so high? Tuition is the elephant in the room showcasing the inevitable result of bubblenomic government policy, MASSIVE price distortions and unpayable, nondischargeable debt accumulation!
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Fear of govt IS the government.. Statism is a pack of unbacked threats; If govt gets out of control, ignore it and go about life as you see fit. Where's your crown, King Nothing?
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Jbreedlove
Posts: 139
Incept: 2010-08-11
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Financial wrote..Probably one of the best things to do would be to forgive student debt and then these people could afford to use the money to buy homes, cars etc. Pure forgiveness would continue too much of the same nonsense. Individuals who had high student debt with low paying jobs would likely continue to take out loans to spend beyond their means. The best solution is to allow bankruptcy. Those individuals who really are unable to pay go through the pains of bankruptcy and only buy things they can save for over the next 7-10 years (estimate of the time credit will be refused to them for declaring bankruptcy). Those individuals who can still pay will continue to do so. Banks will become more prudent lenders. You still have to get the government out of backstopping student loans. Even before the bankruptcy stuff got to where it is today the government was still guaranteeing money to the banks if the students ended up not paying.
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Trades50
Posts: 4217
Incept: 2007-10-30
Land of Tax and Spend
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Quote: And the latter has resulted in the roughly $6 trillion in savings being reduced an effective zero earnings rate from a blended rate that was probably in the general area of 3%, which is a direct whack on the economy of close to $200 billion in spending that is shifted from the prudent to the imprudent that are trying to maintain the Ponzi scheme! That's exactly right, the Keynesian theory followed the last several decades was altered to suit those in the government. Now their stuck with ever-increasing debt because government spending is outpacing income. On the other side you have Bernanke trying all sorts of economic tricks to bring back growth. CNBS was entertaining the Jack Welch and Mohamed El-Erian. El-Erian stated we must realize the losses and share them. He said we needed growth and manufacturing. Then you had Welch saying the jobs aren't coming back due to efficiency and globalization (translation, cheap labor and globalized manufacturing/wage arbitration). "Have to get housing back,... but jobs are needed". They want it both ways.
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When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson
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Genesis
Posts: 130795
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Yep. I saw that this morning.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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