Dateline Oakland: FELONIOUS ASSAULT By Police?
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Posted 2011-10-26 19:52
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Dateline Oakland: FELONIOUS ASSAULT By Police?
 

Arrest the alleged felon who is clearly a police officer behind the barricade throwing a device at a disabled man:

This video is looped and then slowed down and it clearly identifies a police officer tossing the device directly at the disabled vet on the ground when the protesters attempt to come to his aid.  It detonates literally right next to him.  None of the protesters are committing any act of violence - they are assisting a men who has just been shot with a rubber round in the head.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THIS ACT.  EACH ACT OF EACH PARTY STANDS ALONE - NO PROTESTER CHARGED THE FENCES OR OTHERWISE ASSAULTED AN OFFICER.  THIS WAS A PREMEDITATED ASSAULT BY THE POLICE UPON A PRONE AND INJURED MAN AND THOSE ATTEMPTING TO ASSIST HIM.

THE MAN IN QUESTION, A VETERAN, IS CURRENTLY REPORTED TO BE IN CRITICAL CONDITION.

The Police issued the following in response to a question:

Q. Did the Police deploy rubber bullets, flash-bag grenades?
A. No, the loud noises that were heard originated from M-80 explosives thrown at Police by protesters. In addition, Police fired approximately four bean bag rounds at protesters to stop them from throwing dangerous objects at the officer.

It appears that OPD is LYINGThis video, originally shot by KTVU and still available on their web page, clearly shows a police officer throwing the device; it visibly originates from an officer behind the barricade.  If you watch the original you can see the officer tossing the device in the last few seconds of the clip; the Youtube version does not appear to be doctored.  There was no assault upon or any "dangerous object" being thrown at these officers at the time the officer commits his assault.

Honest people, irrespective of whether they agree with the OWS protests or not, must not sit silently and allow this sort of outrageous and unlawful behavior and the resulting blatant lie -- not by protesters, but by the police -- to stand.

The responsible officer(s) must be personally identified, indicted and prosecuted right here and now.  Those who lied in the department about the use of these devices must be removed from their positions for cause without compensation, retirement or severance. 

This department's clear lie means that the remaining assertions -- that the police officers acted only after the protesters first threw rocks and/or bottles -- cannot be accepted as true and this infirmity must stand until a formal retraction is issued.

There are no free lies, especially in matters like this.  Once an agency or person documents through their own actions the willingness to make intentionally false factual statements as proved by conclusive photographic evidence nothing they say can be taken at face value

This means the Mayor must go, the police chief must go, and the officer who did this must stand trial, all right here, right now.

Should the people lose what little faith is left in the government and come to an inescapable conclusion that felonious assaults are going to be overlooked "so long as they are committed by police" there is a severe risk of the complete loss of civil order.  Down the road of tolerance of this behavior by the police and city lies chaos.

Nobody with an ounce of common sense wants to see such an event or should be willing to sit idly by while it occurs without vehement protest and every possible attempt to obtain redress by lawful and peaceful means.

Update: I have been emailed by a former military member who states that the device thrown was almost-certainly a tear-gas grenade that exploded (rather than just gassing off); he stated that they are trained never to throw them directly into a crowd for exactly this reason - they do explode rather than "hiss" some of the time, especially if the land on their "cap" on a hard surface.  In addition there is question as to exactly what Scott was shot with originally, so I have reflected that as well.  This doesn't change anything - the victim was clearly shot at close-range in the face with an aimed weapon and the second device was clearly tossed directly at the people attempting to rescue him.

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This means the Mayor must go, the police chief must go, and the officer who did this must stand trial, all right here, right now.


Yes. But the won't. And I daresay that a sizable chunk of the public would even support the police actions in the video, the protesters "deserved it" you know.


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Police or government lie about something. Surely Karl you jest.

One time in traffic court after I clearly made a fool out of the officer that his testimony could not be true the judge said, "I do not know what you were doing Mr. Ish but I believe you were doing something wrong so I find you guilty."

Huh, what happened to being innocent until proven guilty. After that I knew there was no justice in this country.

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Just gross but unfortunately so many who become cops are the worst of society.

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Report: Iraq vet has fractured skull from ‘police projectile’ at Occupy Oakland


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/repo....
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This video, originally shot by KTVU
Link's borked.

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Absolutely correct, Genesis!

The entirety of your analysis and recommended course of action, as well as the likely outcome should it not be heeded, are spot-on.

God help us.

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Just wait. I fear we haven't seen the true wrath of the owners, yet.



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Hey all,

Here is a link to yet another assault at the same event:

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2011/10/2....



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There are numerous objects that can be seen flying in the air. If the protestors are the ones throwing the objects that explode why are all of the exploding objects flying towards the protestors and not towards the police?

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Notice the cop backs away from the barricade a good 7-8 feet & tries to hide behind other officers (I'm guessing to try to conceal his actions).

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i give you "jp6" arfcom right wig statit's reaction:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1245952....

Statists on the left, statists on the right. The union of the sets of behavior that they want to jail/fine you for encompasses close to 100% of your behavior.

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Holy ****. God forgive me for saying that. WTF?

Keep following this story Gen.

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Low, read thru those responses at your link...

..cannot post what I am thinking in response...

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Would have been more awesome if were gernade.


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I want to get a t-shirt made with the old teardrop Chicago Police patch and "MORE HICKORY SHAMPOO!" on it.


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Hey, they were ordered to disperse.

They chose not to.

Buy the ticket, take the ride.


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lol @ protesters yelling out "medic"


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It sure as hell broke up the blob of extremely riled-up socialists progressives liberals democrats tea party protesters that were two feet from a police barricade.

I see nothing wrong with this particular action, once the order to clear the streets was given.


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LOL, nice.

It couldn't happen to a more deserving pack of *******s.


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I didn't start laughing till the "****ing mediiiiic!" screams. Then I couldn't stop.

Not a flash bang. Everyone calling it a flash bang has never been flash banged. Those kids would have had somewhat of a tougher time rolling out of there so quickly.



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Rafter, you beat me to it. That site makes me sick to my stomach.....

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Only problem with the video is that you can only discern somebody behind police lines tossing it. What's next? OPD will claim someone came behind and threw it?

M80's my ass; I've had enough fun with those on the 4th that whatever the cops are using is producing a noticeably bigger "bang." Just my take.

Also, if any protesters were using fireworks -illegal to possess, let alone assault with- the police would've probably come down on those folks like an SOB. Was anybody actually caught with possession of fireworks or other ordinance like Molotovs? If they were, then I suppose it could be classified as a "riot."

All I know is that something a bit similar happened last year, and there were mass arrests then also. Waiting for more facts...

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There are numerous objects that can be seen flying in the air. If the protestors are the ones throwing the objects that explode why are all of the exploding objects flying towards the protestors and not towards the police?

When I first saw this on Youtube I assumed that the video was doctored. I assume nothing at times like this and check my facts before I run something I might have to retract.

I went looking for the original and found it. I pulled it down using my capture software from the direct download and looked at it in detail in Vegas Video.

It's not doctored. The flashbang can be clearly seen coming from behind the first row of cops; I think I can "make" the guy who threw it, as it looks like he ducked behind the first row just before tossing it overhead.

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At what point does the Government become illegitimate and the people demand a reset? Not advocating violence by any means, but the people of Egypt and Tunisia peacefully and persistently demanded that the then current Government go, when they had determined that they had had enough.. So clearly, you push the people beyond a certain point and the government loses legitimacy.

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And this happened... in ... San Francisco?
The sanctuary city?
The Kumbaya bastion of liberalism?
The shinning beacon of democracy?
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I'm shocked... I tell ya'... I'm shocked!
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At what point does the Government become illegitimate and the people demand a reset?
Kent State was one such moment in our recent past. It is yet to be seen what OWS will become and what the Owners will to to defeat/suppress it. My gut feel is if they go to far, that will be the trigger. As someone said "the first broken window."

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Blegoo,

It was Oakland-just a "wee bit" (OK, a whole helluva lot) different than The City By The Bay... much grittier, rougher and poorer than San Fran... where cops take their cues from Chicago PD and the like... defintely not Kumbaya-land... and yes, I did get the sarcasm...

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Blegoo wrote..
And this happened... in ... San Francisco?


It happened in Oakland. A very rough city. Nearly bankrupt.

I wonder what organization paid for all the riot gear. DoJ or DoD?
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Back in the day...mid to late 60's, I was on the wrong side of the barricades getting my head bashed in, all the boys in blue were known as "pigs". I still think of them the same. Only difference is it's gotten worse.

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