Real People Say "Screw You" To The Markets
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Posted 2011-08-26 10:11
by Karl Denninger
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Real People Say "Screw You" To The Markets
 

Liquidity?  None.  This is the bid/offer stack in the S&P futures a few minutes into the trading day.

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Nobody is talking about this.  That's 27 - twenty-seven contracts - on the bid at 1146.75.  During the trading day.  There's less than a thousand up and down the stack through the entire visible portion.

This is a tiny fraction of normal liquidity and those sub-100 numbers are more-akin to what you expect in the middle of the night when everyone's sleeping!

All that's left is the computers.  The humans have gone home.  True liquidity and participation has ended.  The people have given up.  This is not an isolated incident - as I write this I'm seeing it literally minute-by-minute, and it's been very common all month.  A few minutes ago I saw seven contracts on the bid at the money.  Seven - at 9:57 (ET) in the morning.

The fraud, the phony bids and offers and the high-frequency ripoffs have driven everyone away.

Go ahead politicians, tell us how important "Wall Street" is to the economy and to you.  Let the thieves and liars continue to pollute the markets and screw everyone.  Volatility is as high as it is precisely because people are tired of getting buttraped and after a few instances of it they simply say "screw this", take their money and go home. 

They don't need the markets, the markets need them, and they're gone.

With no depth in the market huge moves become commonplace and are essentially impossible to trade.

I've never seen the market this illiquid during the day as it has been the last few weeks.  It's ridiculously bad and getting worse.  When you see two-digit bids and offers during the trading day in the stack you may as well be playing with a loaded six-shooter pointed at your own head - you can't possibly trade ahead of these jackasses and they can and will steal your money,******your stops and then reverse the market right out from under you before you can react.  All you do is churn your account and waste your capital.

Don't even try to "invest" in this market folks, and if you decide to trade, realize that you're playing in a rigged casino and the entire force of the government is not only behind rigging the casino but explicitly endorses and permits the rigging to go on and continue, despite being fully-aware of it.

Remember, "Wall Street is Main Street" to them - and if that means your retirement and investments get destroyed that's just fine provided that big buildings in downtown Manhatten continue to be infested by the thieves guild that pumps tithes into campaign coffers.

Oh, if you think that liquidity was bad, you should have seen it on the release of the speech.  There were double-digit bid and offers up and down the stack, and the collapse of about 1% you saw was a direct consequence of an illiquid market.  So was the subsequent ramp job, roughly 2% in minutes.  This chainsaw is more than happy to cut your arms and legs off with both sides of the bar.

Make sure you thank Congress and our wonderful "President", all of whom are far more interested in making sure that the banksters simply rob you blind than anything else when it comes to the economy. 

In fact, by their actions it's clear that's all they care about.

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Hamburglar
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So...no reason for the runners to rowboat into the exchange on Monday then?

Let the algos fight it out to the finish
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Maybe everyone's on holidays? How does this compare to this time last year?

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Shall we play a game of thermonuclear war?

what is the correct answer?
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Minor typo:

you should have been it on the release of the speech.

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he can't drive a clown car.
I know some clowns and they are insulted by him.
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the 'three card monty' game the futures have become continues.
More range in 30 min., than in a week 10 years ago.

The globex stops (+4 pts.) are at 1170.75, those look ready to be taken.
Day stops at 1192.50 would require a 'moon shot', but is anything out of
the PPT's range these days?
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This is my first post. I can't say that I understand everything that is happening but Thanks to Mr. Denninger I am beginning to. I just wanted to make sure I understand that what we have here is a bunch of theives, crooks, and liars running the top echelon of society and the only way for this to change is when they get the Benito Mussolini treatment.

See here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXUNXOqpw....
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Like Stan of South Park...
Aaand it's gone....
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Gen, this is an incredibly astute and important observation. Exactly the same thing was happening on nasdaq in 2000. I think that it means volatility that we cannot imagine ahead of us.

Do you think that it is prudent to move cash right now to "safer" money market funds (those which pay almost no interest, but are based on US treasury bills)?

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"I think we are heading for a market shock in September or October that will match anything we have ever seen before," said a senior credit banker at a major European bank.

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from
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finan....
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Welcome Bphenry.

Connieg - back on '07 I had some money at TradeKing. They had an overnight sweep program which I didn't really know what that was and still don't quite. However, based on what I was reading here, I chose the "Treasury Only" option and accepted about 1% less for my money for over a year. Then during the height of the unpleasantness I found that my money had been frozen. It seems the fund they were using was the Reserve Fund's Treasury only fund. It had become a roach motel - money goes in and doesn't comes out. Obviously they were co-mingling money with the fund that broke the buck but no one goes to jail. TradeKing couldn't have been more sympathetic but referred me to the Reserve Fund which of course had no discoverable telephone number and never answered my email. I had TK stop the sweep, so nothing new went in and put in a request for my money and after a week or so and maybe $1T from Benny behind the scenes my money came back.

Moral as best I can tell: spread it around - banks (use bankrate.com for a safety rating), brokers, Treasury Direct. Be wary of sweep programs if allowed any option.

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Two kinds of regular people: those who have no extra money, and those who refuse to spend on anything but supplies, PMs, retiring old debt, and a cash horde. The velocity of money will slow to a stop and then the stock market gets real.

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Murf +1, good way to break it down.

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Murf..tend to agree with the exception of PM (at least for now).
You can't buy anything with gold or silver directly (at the moment) in 99.9% (or more) of shops.

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I'm not into financial futures. During the Tulip Mania, the Dutch had a name for speculating in tulip bulb futures. They called it "Trading Wind". This is a very apt phrase for a country that reclaimed farmland by using wind-powered pumps to drain shallow seas.

How are S&P futures any different?

I do have money in these markets, but its either in production of "things", or in utilities. I understand how they work, and there is something sane about mines, wells and power plants.

As far as I'm concerned, the lack of volume in the S&P 500 futures represents a return to sanity.
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Agree with Marvin. No financials or futures for me either. Only two positions, CEF and NSH. CEF holds physical gold and physical silver in Canada. The metal is unallocated, but the same manager, Mr. Spicer, has been running the fund since about 1965 and has a good reputation. NSH is building oil pipelines out of the Eagle Ford in Texas where oil is currently having to be loaded onto tanker trucks and then onto rail tanker cars for transport. Also building an oil terminal in Corpus Christi. If you want the equivalent of Brent pricing on crude, the oil needs to get to a delivery location with access to a port rather than Cushing. All the foolishness and corruption that is facilitated by the Fed makes me want deal in something tangible that will quickly find a price in another medium of exchange if the dollar completely fails. These are acceptable proxies since the money invested is in a rollover IRA account.
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People running the machines just want their bugout money, and the people regulating those bankers believe they can "create" wealth and deficits/lack of capital doesn't matter.

This. Will. End. Badly.
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Just say no to fraud.

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Great post Karl
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I have traded that stack, the last time I blew up an account trading oil and copper along with the mini's. Seems there were 10,000 to 20,000 contracts on both sides. This is amazing. I'm talking about Jan-Feb 2010. I am convinced these guys aren't opposed to buying or selling their own contracts to move the market. I have seen that many contracts eaten in a small gulp.

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What happens when the HFTs are all that is left and they start eating their own?

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