Here Come Negative Capital Flows
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Posted 2010-12-27 08:30
by Karl Denninger
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Here Come Negative Capital Flows
 

I hope you're ready.

This, incidentally, is one of the items in my Year End Ticker due out in a few days.

The Chinese raised rates over the holiday, and their market sold off to the tune of 2%, after being reasonably-stable in early trade.  The futures this morning are down fractionally, with Europe getting hit a bit.  A foot of snow isn't bringing people into work on the East Coast, of course, which will certainly mute trade some today during a week that is usually very light in volume to begin with.

The fatal error that Bernanke has committed is about to become clear: ZIRP can only "work" in a world where the entire world is ZIRP, or close to it.  If it's not then you get capital flight.  Japan found this out the hard way and became a funding currency for a "Carry Trade", but they had a huge buffer in the form of personal savings.  That's now gone, and yet they have been unable to exit their zero interest policy, and in fact have continued to "buy" (monetize) various "financial assets" in a futile and desperate effort to "normalize" their economy.

Ultimately lawmakers and citizens may figure it out: ZIRP, and indeed all of Fed Policy for the last three years, has had nothing whatsoever to do with the general economy or the common weal of our nation, and has been focused on only one point - attempting to prevent recognition of the insolvency of virtually every large financial institution in The United States.

Incidentally, for those who think I'm nuts, it is a matter of record that the same thing happened under Volcker - and he explicitly told the big banks (especially Citi) that he'd let them lie - for a while.  But he also told them that if they didn't clean up their crap that he'd eventually run out of the ability (or willingness in Congress and elsewhere) to do that, and if he did before they cleaned up their act they'd be toast.  They did, and he did, and the deception remained "hidden" for more than a decade.

Today it's different.  The banks have been given no timeline to clean up their crap.  Instead Bernanke has engaged in the most-outrageous action of any central banker in the last 100 years and perhaps of all time, literally monetizing more than two trillion dollars of government debt as a means of trying to keep the grand Ponzi Scheme alive.

He will fail.  He must fail for one reason above all others - the banks have refused to take down their leverage and sell off their crap.  Instead they have gone back to their old compensation metrics, paid out over $100 billion in bonuses and wages in the last year, and have extorted Congress and FASB to make legal intentionally-bogus marks on assets that have no relationship to their current value (or any reasonable expectation of future value!)

Tom Coburn has raised the spectre of what he claims is a "8-9% decline in GDP" if we "don't tackle our unsustainable fiscal situation."  Uh huh.

Tom ought to pay attention to this:

-8% GDP eh?  We've been running that now cumulatively for three years on, faking economic "growth" via debt issuance (just like whipping out the credit card after losing one's job) and there is no sign that the government intends to stop it.

8-10%?  You're insane Tom.  There's a nearly 30% embedded GDP distortion in the system right now!  I warned of this back in 2007 but then, of course, nobody wanted to hear it.  Nobody still wanted to hear it in 2008, or 2009.  No, we were too concerned about making damn sure that a handful of rapacious banksters that, I'd argue, should all be in the dock facing multiple felonies got to keep not only their past "bonuses" but also (and far worse) got to keep up with their BS games!

The record in this regard in terms of the facts, and that I've been publishing them for the last three years, is clear.  And no, Tom, we don't have "three or four years" to deal with it - we're already in the hole 30% in terms of where our GDP needs to contract to in order to come into balance with our actual productive output, and if we don't cut this crap out now we're not going to face 18% unemployment and a 10% contraction in GDP, we're going to face an economic collapse with "official" unemployment north of 20%, U6 north of 30% and we'll be lucky if our economic and political system do not fail outright.

Cut the crap Tom.  The forced choices are here now, not three or four years out.

We're able to choose serious pain (as opposed to collapse) today. 

In three or four years, that choice will have expired.

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You mark my words:

When the collapse finally happens, it will come so fast, and the effects will be so deep, that you won't even be able to recognize it at the time -- literally, you won't be able to identify it. You have nothing to compare it to. Only in retrospect, will you fully grasp that we've collapsed.

You'll perceive the effects, at the time, as simple supply disruptions.

Eventually, you'll realize that supplies are going to STAY disrupted.

Then, you'll get the surprise of your life when you finally grasp the "value" of your currency on hand.

And you're on your own, too: there won't be a government program for you.

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My state is so thrilled,...sales tax collections are up by MILLIONS compared to last year.
Nice deal until they won't be and 20$ doesn't even buy a 10$ cigar.

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The fatal error that Bernanke has committed is about to become clear: ZIRP can only "work" in a world where the entire world is ZIRP, or close to it. If it's not then you get capital flight. Japan found this out the hard way and became a funding currency for a "Carry Trade", but they had a huge buffer in the form of personal savings. That's now gone, and yet they have been unable to exit their zero interest policy, and in fact have continued to "buy" (monetize) various "financial assets" in a futile and desperate effort to "normalize" their economy.


I wonder if Bernanke's game is about interest rates or about montetization. The whole world is monetizing, which is why I believe we have not seen a dollar collapse yet. In that regard he has correctly gamed the system and will continue to do so as long as the rest of the central bankers keep monetizing.
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But the rest of the Central Bankers AREN'T monetizing.

Australia and China, to name two.

Capital Flight is something YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE. There is no buffer to sustain it here. If we get it, the **** will unravel so fast you won't know what happened, and Bernanke will be utterly powerless to stop it.

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So if we get Capital Flight, does this mean what ARF said above, that supplies become disrupted forever, we are on our own? What about money and Internet banking? Frozen accounts?

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Correct me if I'm wrong. In terms of pretending our economy being something it isn't, this is looking more and more like Argentina in the late 90's. I really hope things don't go that far, but the way things are going, I'm afraid we are going there.
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ARF: That sounds suspiciously what I have expected for a while... And now that I'm reading atlas shrugged for the first time (about 2/3rds of the way through), it sounds pretty familiar from it too.

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I read BOE to raise rates too - http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-12....

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Karl -- You've gone into great detail about how this plays out in the US. But how does this play out in China? I'm trying to understand what the Chinese rate hike does to them.

It would seem to me that a rise in Chinese rates would prick their property bubble.

But that's where I get lost... because haven't we seen this movie before?

ie: Is a collapsing Chinese property bubble followed by a Chinese banking sector collapse, followed by... a return to ZIRP?


In other words -- wouldn't they also be stuck in the ZIRP trap at some point?






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More likely than capital flight is a capital strike.

It's not organized; it's not planned.

It just happens on its own, when things get too ****ing stupid to bother dealing with anymore.

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If China fails to contain their bubble and it blows up they get a civil war out of it.

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ARF what is a capital strike?

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Civil War in China may be the ultimate goal of this Grand Strategy by the USA and "faithful" Federal Reserve.

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Wakeupcall: People just stop.

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> And now that I'm reading atlas shrugged for the first time (about 2/3rds of the way through)

Thats about the point where, IMHO, that book derails.
Never could endure the whole Galt speech and I've always questioned the feasibility of her solution.

Her description of the problem tho was spot on.
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I have much of Atlas Shrugged memorized.

I didn't INTEND to memorize -- it just happened. I've lived in that novel for YEARS.

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Asi, so people just put their money in Bank O'Sealy instead of buying .gov debt?

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Wakeupcall: When it costs more to work than not to work, people stop using money entirely.

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Asimov said "People just stop."

Stop everything? Nobody does anything? Everyone become bums?
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The most fundamental form of capital strike is when people just refuse to work beyond the bare minimum necessary to survive. People think of capital being money but that's just a simplification. In reality capital is the willingness of human beings to use their knowledge and abilities to accomplish a task. Usually people can be motivated to do this by offering them money so it's easier to pretend that money is capital but every economics textbook should warn you that in reality people do things for complex reasons, not simple reasons and that they don't always behave in economically rational ways.

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Bluebird: Lets hope we don't find out, because the normal reaction isn't peacefully sitting on a corner waiting for somebody to drop a dime in your hat so you can feed your kids.

The NORMAL reaction in a situation like that is a little more... active.

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Officially, it's n periods that contain at least one observation where the year-on-year fall in capital flows lies at least two standard deviations below its sample mean.

For people in the real world, it's an economic version of slamming on the brakes.

If you listen closely, you'll hear the sound of a screeching ****ing halt.

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Thanks, the picture is becoming clearer.
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Our christmas spending this year was minimal. Last year was minimal and it was even less than last year. Odd thing though, even though it was less than last year, we actually ended up getting more.

Main reason for that is that we gave the kids so much money, took them to gamestop and let them pick out whatever used games they wanted.

The only "large" purchase was me buying a rocking chair (well, glider/rocker thingy) and ottoman for my SO. Less than $200.

Also got a 1.5tb HD for myself ($59.99), a 100 count spindle of dvd's and some odds and end cheap stuff. Oh, and some clothes for the kids - but because they needed them, not because they wanted them.

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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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