I've Seen This Movie Before (Bailouts & Greece)
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Posted 2010-02-28 23:34
by Karl Denninger
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I've Seen This Movie Before (Bailouts & Greece)
 

I seem to remember once upon a time when Charlie Gasbag-a-rino would come on CNBS virtually on a daily basis, with the DOW down 200, and announce that Ambac, MBIA or both were "about to be bailed out" - attributed to "sources."

Only one problem with this, you see - it never happened.

Then there were the claims that Warren Buffett was going to buy, well, the world.  That never happened either, but it was always good for a pump here and there in the markets - only when they were in danger of really tanking, of course.

And now we're seeing it again, this time with Greece.

Over the weekend we have seen multiple competing reports of some sort of "deal", starting right near the close of the US market on Friday.  It was undoubtedly responsible for the near-meteoric rise of the futures into the lock-up - nobody would want to hold short into the weekend with such a thing happening, right?

Well now Angela Merkel has said - once again:

"there is absolutely no question of it".

"We have a (European) treaty under which there is no possibility of paying to bail out states in difficulty," Merkel told ARD public television.

Right. 

Maybe.

But let's look at the facts here.

Is this really about bailouts?

Or is this just more criminal manipulation of markets, with certain privileged players placing bets in the marketplace, then starting rumors?

After all, the blatantly-obvious front-running of the famous August 2007 Discount Rate cut wasn't investigated - or prosecuted, even though a three-year old could look at the chart for the day before and see that obviously someone (or a group of someones) knew in advance that Bernanke was about to do that - and they traded on it.

Then there were the AMBAC/MBIA rumors, the incessant Buffett rumors, the shorting ban (which was also traded on in front of the announcement by an afternoon) and more.

Not one of these has led to a formal investigation, yet all trades are trivially traceable.  If the government gave a good damn about prosecuting this sort of information leak and front-running, all of which is illegal by the way, the records do exist.  All they have to do is look.

This sort of corrosive and pervasive scam destroys confidence in our capital markets.  I am convinced that a huge part of the reason that we had the collapse we did in 2008 and early 2009 - the reason it was so violent and essentially impossible to control - was that confidence in the markets had been destroyed by months of outrageously unlawful conduct in this regard.

When the "triggering thing" happened - Lehman - it just all came apart at once, since nobody trusted anything any more.

What makes anyone believe this is over?

The scam machine is still running.  The rumor-mongers are still plying their wares, getting in front of the alleged news (even though it is repeatedly faked) and stealing investors money - time and time again.

We have learned nothing.  Our law enforcement agencies and politicians have not only learned nothing, they have put in place the very same instabilities that led to the collapse last time.

It will happen again, and probably sooner than anyone expects.

Our SEC is a joke and the international regulators are even worse.  We have no desire among those people to investigate the outrageous actions of these scam-meisters and lock them up.  We should, but we don't.

Your memory should be good enough to remember what happened the last time.  It should also be good enough to remember why it happened the last time.

We've changed nothing.

Are you insane enough to believe that the outcome - having done the same thing - will in fact be different?

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Ive been thinking the sam ething all weekend. Every time a new "greece will be bailed out" article popped up, all I could think of was merkel.

The bull**** rumors aren't going to catch as many people as the **** we saw last year. Too many people got burned. Then again, maybe I'm using too much logic and too little emotion.

I know I won't be believing them.

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Good catch on that story, Karl. I've now seen Angela Merkel publicly deny that Germany will ever bailout Greece twice. Yet the American mainstream media like MarketWatch.com and Bloomberg keep pumping unsubstantiated rumours from "sources".

On another note, Robert Prechter can be viewed on Yahoo Tech Ticker 24th Feb with some pretty dire predictions. Just search for these:

Part 1:
Robert Prechter now sees "the biggest bubble in history"

Part 2:
Robert Prechter "Deflation is Coming and there's nothing Bernanke can do about it"

Part 3:
Bear Market Armageddon: why Prechter might be right this time
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Don't bail Greece out !!!!
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So who is going to be first to the say kick-back be damned. Answer= None

We going for full Monty.

Disclosure: Riding out Clinton's making stealing OPM legal for all it worth.

Work you ****ing fools

Hey someone had to make up for what Reagan did.

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Maybe the Korea Development Bank will step in*.


(*) KDB was always "about ready" to buy or bail out Lehman.


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maybe uncle warren will buy greece.

one of the more creative rumors was the one from 2008 where the claim was that recently released ISM data (that had tanked the market a day previously) was calculated "incorrectly" and would be revised upwards. it created a pump that quickly bled off, but it was beyond ridiculous.

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But SEC is very good at locating the older couple in hong gonk that traded out of money calls prior to dj take over report.
It begs the question
Rumors get widely reported in the media, but denial of rumors and contrary to rumors by leaders does not get reported as widely (loudly) enough
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Private source might go for greece(if they like the idea of flushing money), but the sovereigns know they can't. Spain and Portugal aren't far behind and they numbers are much much bigger.

Thats why Merkel's response is always NONONONO, even while everyone outside of Germany is screaming for yes.
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i agree 100% that the financial media is complicit in this scheme and the timing is always, at the very least, suspicious.
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I see CNBC are rolling out Buffet this morning to "pump" the market yet again...

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Whenever you get any "inside information" or "hot tips" there is always an agenda.

Always - Do your own homework.

And if you don't know who the pigeon is - it is you.
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People familiar with those people supposedly familiar with the matter vouch that they in fact are not familiar with the matter at all.
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