Congress is IGNORING YOU - CALL AND FAX NOW!!!
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Posted 2008-09-25 08:33
by Karl Denninger
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Congress is IGNORING YOU - CALL AND FAX NOW!!!
 

The cacophony of "people who have an idea" (as opposed to "they have no idea") is getting louder and louder stating loud and clear that this bailout is a BAD IDEA.

Weiss Research is the latest with a 24-page white paper:

"I. Too Little, Too Late to End the Debt Crisis. Congress should

1. Disregard data based on the list of troubled banks maintained by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). The FDIC’s list currently has 117 institutions with $78 billion in assets. However, based on a broader analysis of recent FDIC call report data, we find that institutions at risk of failure include 1,479 FDIC member banks and 158 thrifts with total assets of $3.6 trillion, or 36 times the assets of banks on the FDIC’s list.

2. Think twice before providing a broad bailout for U.S. debts given the wide diversity of mortgage holders and the great magnitude of the total debts outstanding in the United States. Just-released Federal Reserve Flow of Funds data show that, beyond mortgages, there are another $20.4 trillion in private sector consumer and corporate debts, plus $2.7 trillion in municipal securities outstanding."

Yep.  Read the rest.  Its sobering.  We NEED that $700 billion to shore up the FDIC!  We cannot afford using it to bail out the fat cat Wall Street folks, who will NOT recycle that money into the broader economy - they will simply use it to avoid THEIR failures in a dozen or so firms, while leaving more than 1,000 banks - your bank - to die on the vine.

The non-partisan CBO is also deeply concerned:

"Ironically, the intervention could even trigger additional failures of large institutions, because some institutions may be carrying troubled assets on their books at inflated values," Orszag said in his testimony. "Establishing clearer prices might reveal those institutions to be insolvent."

In other words, doing this is likely to make the problem worse.

Finally, there is a huge list of economists (over 150!) who are also opposed

"....For these reasons we ask Congress not to rush, to hold appropriate hearings, and to carefully consider the right course of action, and to wisely determine the future of the financial industry and the U.S. economy for years to come."

Is that enough "learned opinion" to convince you that this is a really, really bad idea?

Oh, and China is once again making threats:

"China, Japan, South Korea and others should meet soon to seal a deal, said Yu, a former academic member of the central bank's monetary policy committee. The talks should involve finance ministers, central bank governors and even national leaders, he said."

Riiight.  The truth is a bit more sinister - he who manages to get through the door first (before the crush) manages to get (most) of his money back.  Everyone else gets rammed.  Expect it folks, because it is coming.

Durable goods were down more than 4%, and unemployment was up to nearly 500,000 today.  The real economy is deteriorating quickly and this is not due to the "credit crunch" which just went "critical" in the last two weeks (beyond the survey period); the fact of the matter is that this plan will not and cannot work, because it fails to address the root of the issue, which once again is:

  1. There is no way to value any financially-related firm in the United States as their balance sheets are nearly 100% opaque; until you force Level 3 assets and "off balance sheet" exposures out in the open (this does not require "mark to market", but it DOES require that you force firms to expose both the claimed assets and their valuation models) investors cannot have an informed opinion of a firm's true value, or even whether that firm is solvent.
  2. Without caging the derivatives monster you cannot stop a disorderly unwind, thereby making it impossible to know whether you will suddenly get hit with a Cat 5 hurricane of cross-defaults.
  3. Without taking down irresponsible leverage, which the firms have refused to do voluntarily, you cannot prevent failures that result from very small losses in these firm's portfolios.

This bill addresses NONE of these matters, but all must be addressed in order to restore credit flow in Corporate America.

Further, we need the $700 billion for the broader economy and for various programs in our nation. 

As things stand right now, if you do not get on the phone today and scream - literally - at your Congressfolk, they are going to pass this despite your opposition.  Calls and faxes were (as of last night) running 300:1 against!  We need to literally shut down the Washington DC switchboard if we intend to stop this - and stop it we MUST.

When (not if) the recession (that is now being admitted by everyone, including Pimco's Gross) that we were told was "not going to happen" by Paulson, Bernanke and everyone else bites you HARD there will be no money and no policy capacity in our government to deal with it, as we will have spent all of our available funds to bail out a couple of dozen Wall Street fat cats.

That's the choice folks - and if you want to stop it, you need to "increase forward fire" with your phone calls and faxes TODAY in the direction of Congress and make clear to them that you will vote out ANY Representative or Senator who does not vote NO.

The script is simple:

"If you vote for this bill, or abstain, I will vote for your opponent.  No other issue is going to change my mind.  Either defeat this bill or lose your job."

Pick up the phone now.  Its your job, your nation, and your responsibility.

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Eaglewwit
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This bill if passed is a travesty of democracy. I have been faxing and calling my congress people with this message daily. The majority of Americans do not want this bill to pass. They see the injustice of bailing out the fat cats on Wall Street while they eat ****. My neighbor is a longshoreman , not the smartest guy in the world, but he is opposed to it. America is waking up, but the question is will our congress people listen to us.
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There are times when being a Congressman (or woman) means being enough to a statesman to do what is unpopular and letting history judge you.

This is not one of those times. If this bill passes and fails to work, the consequences will be severe for the Congressional Reps and Senators that vote for it.

I am absolutely certain - 100% certain - that it will not work for the reasons I have outlined.

The credit market, by the way, says that it won't work either.

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The capitol switchboard is now giving out busy signals. I tried emailing my senator directly off the senate website page, and mail will no longer go through. It looks like the server is overloaded.
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I FAXED THIS:

JUST SAY NO TO THE BAILOUT

This bailout cannot be allowed to pass for the following reason:

1.The overwhelming majority of the public says no to this bailout.
2.It is a bailout of the fat cats on Wall Street at the expense of the middle class.
3.It legalizes fraud on a grand scale.

Think about the tactics the Bush administration used to go to war. Do you see anything familiar here. They are trying to scare us into submission. Paulson and Bernanke have been proven to be wrong over and over again, and now we are supposed to believe them. DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

There are many viable alternatives to this bailout that are not being discussed. You cannot pass this on such short notice. The lack of debate and thoughtful analysis is disgusting. American are sick and tired of this. It will be my goal to get ever Congress person who votes for this, voted out of office. DO NOT ALLOW THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION TO HIJACK OUR DEMOCRACY, ONCE AGAIN.
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Guys, I don't know if these have been listed anywhere, but since Shelby's washington phone is now evidently nonfunctional (at least I haven't been able to get thru to it for quite some time), here are local offices you can call (and yes, I've talked to real live people at them!):

Huntsville: (256)772-0460
Birmingham (205) 731-1384
Tuscaloosa (205) 759-5067
Montgomery (334) 223-7303
Mobile (251) 694-4164
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I faxed my reps and the majority and minority leadership this morning.

I directed them to www.fedupusa.org
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for Mccain:

Phoenix 602-952-2410
Tempe 480-897-6289
Tucson 520-670-6334
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I got through to Waxman's office on one ring.
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Gen,
Question. If it's not going to work will we know it in time for the upcoming election? If not, memories are short. Will enough people remember in two years to make a difference? And what if the other party (other than any given incumbent) doesn't put up someone palatable to the voters? I would vote for a Republican if I had to, but not if he or she is one of those born again types who wants to force his religion down my throat. If the choice is voting for an incumbent (who was otherwise okay) who voted for this bill and one of those, I'd have to vote for the incumbent.

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TED opened the day at +340, trading at +310 right now with 3 mo bills trading from .30% to .65% right now, so that's an improvement. However, the real reason we are so high is that 3 mo Libor spiked higher again last night to 3.77% from 3.47% yesterday. Keep in mind, 3 mo libor started the week at 3.19%.

credit markets are FROZEN right now gang. And it will be interesting to see if a signed bill will actually un-freeze the credit market. If it' doesn't, we are in deep shi@.


2008-09-25 10:15:49
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Nope. The credit market has priced in passage, as everyone has said (including the folks doing it) that it will pass.

You already have your credit market's answer as to whether it will work.

It will not.

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Vote AGAINST anyone who votes for this crap bailout

2008-09-25 10:34:36


MY TAKE ON IT

WELL IF THE CREDIT MARKET ISN'T GOING TO WORK WHETHER WE DO THIS OR NOT - WHY THE **** ARE WE DOING IT. GO AHEAD I'M READY TO TAKE MY MEDICINE - LETS GET IT OVER WITH. NO BAILOUT - LETS TAKE OUR MEDICINE AND BE DONE

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Briar, it is exactly that attitude Congress is counting on to retain their seats.

Make sure you take a picture of yourself today so you are able to identify the reason that our social program funding will have to be cut as this crisis deepens.

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One representative on CNBC stated that the bailout bill was a nearly done deal, except for the photo-ops.

I just can’t see why holders of toxic waste would line up for a chance to sell at a low price. Both they and the Treasury know that doesn’t solve their problem. So the Treasury will overpay and then buyers, knowing the Treasury has a huge inventory of junk to sell, will wait for a better price.

I wonder why no one has mentioned the interest cost of such a large carry. Maybe they will duplicate the fraud practiced in the major trust funds and just issue GAS.

I am not familiar with TED. Please explain. Thanks
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McCain's office: busy
Webb: busy
Warner: awaiting final bill to decide.
Moran: VOTING NO. smiley

DO NOT BUY THE BULL**** THE MEDIA IS PUTTING OUT THERE.

There is no concensus.

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I called everybody I could think off, the problem is we are getting polite "thank you, f**k off from the staffers". When this travesty fails and everyone realizes that both Democrats and Republicans sold us down the river we need a viable third party for people to vote, or we get another Hitler. We need to start working on that, think future; we may loose the battle, but we must win the war.

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All I'm hearing is that no one will commit if they are for or against until they have had a chance to read the final bill

I'm just telling them they need to vote NO on ANY terms — banks are going to fail regardless and we need that money for FDIC

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THere is no consensus and we MUST keep flooding the phones and faxes.

If we succeed in burying them with the CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE that they will be FIRED in November if they vote for this, it WILL go down.

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Anyone with a Reddit account please vote this one up:

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comment....
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i remember back in the day the good ol rap group PUBLIC ENEMY and there song fight the power song..i'll give african americans credit on one front when they want to be heard no matter how stupid sometimes the issue at hand ..they rally... to get back on point this **** in congress has got to stop or else nothing will stop this snowball from growing and turning into an avalanche

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuTi9UZtP....

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How do we know the opponent would not have voted for the bailout if he were in office at the time? If it's a failure, of course they'll say they wouldn't have voted for it.
But my real question is, assuming it's passed, will we know before the election whether it's a failure or a success? And how is "success" defined? If it isn't passed and there's an economic collapse and we're plunged into a depression, is that a success? Will we know in time for the upcoming election?

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Absolutely WtheF, that's what we need. If someone knows how to contact Chuck D or Flavor Flav, get them involved. If they can organize a free concert, that's an instant thousands organized. Maybe on the White House lawn?
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Briar- The plan is supposed to be approved and then implemented. This implementation they are aiming for won't be done in a day, so they can claim the plan wasn't given enough time regardless of what happens in the next several weeks. If markets recover- "look the plan worked", if they fall- "the plan needs more time to work". It's a win-win situation for them and the politicians will tell the American people..."Look, we are doing something..."
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I'm over 150 faxes I'm looking up each individual senator and blasting their local offices as well...

I got through on McCains lines almost right away guys we need to hammer him!!

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Excuses excuses Briar.

Choose. Either act or not, but if this passes and the nation goes into a severe recession (or worse) we will need that $700 billion and it will be gone.

That's the crux of this - the bill solves nothing as it has nothing to do with WHY we are in this mess.

If you want to pretend that it will "address" something, that's up to you. Just be prepared for the consequences WHEN (not if) it fails.

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I don't get it why the **** ARENT YOU PEOPLE*****ED AS HELL??? I started emailing our elected officials at 6 AM this morning and I'm not STOPPING. ONE voice turns in to thousands when we work together!!!
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